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    Well dancing is a job. And dancers cater to customers. So like the car salesman who failed at selling the car because he was too pushy or rude yet, another salesman comes along and sells the car with better skill.

    If you have a bad day, stay home. A bad week stay home. You will be no good use at the club. If you are at work and a customer pisses you off, most dancers are quick to tell at least someone.

    Well the customer told another dancer who told on her, so she needs to be reprimanded for her behaviour. This story is different, she cut in on the customer in VIP....That is way out of line. A bad mood dancer...move to another, it's that easy.

    Again, it's sales. She almost cost the club money, and maybe a customer who would not go bak there because he would fear she would hound him. It was taken care of in the proper manner i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I personally hate it when dancers pull that kind of crap, and I understand that you might not want her around anymore. But was there really a need to get her in trouble at her work just because you were ticked off?
    I think you missed a key point. According to the custy's original post and followups, he and his friend weren't the ones who reported her. They decided simply to leave after the incident, but were approached by the other dancer who asked why and then she told the bouncer. I wouldn't characterize the act of removing oneself from the drama a deliberate attempt to get the angry dancer in trouble. To me, that indicates their initial willingness to let it drop, even if they weren't willing to sit there and take more verbal assault. If you believe there's an over-reacting tattletale in this story (which I'm not sure I do), it would be the second dancer, not the guys.

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    And by the way - if I asked a guy for a dance and he said he doesn't get dances from ugly girls I would have yelled at him too.
    I'm not sure where this is coming from. I went back and read posts in this thread and I couldn't find the custy saying anything about he or his friend remarking that a dancer was ugly. Was that perhaps something you gleaned from a post in a different thread by the same member? Or is this a comment that expands the issue beyond what was previously stated, but I'm seeing it as a non-sequitur because it doesn't seem to match the reported customer behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    I'm not sure where this is coming from. I went back and read posts in this thread and I couldn't find the custy saying anything about he or his friend remarking that a dancer was ugly. Was that perhaps something you gleaned from a post in a different thread by the same member? Or is this a comment that expands the issue beyond what was previously stated, but I'm seeing it as a non-sequitur because it doesn't seem to match the reported customer behavior?

    -Ev
    Oh, no. It was detailed as part of a pattern of her behaviour. Something that she has done to someone else in the past. And I've already given up - I said No Mercy! Let's just kill her and hang her body over the stage as a warning to those who would be unreasonably bitchy. Seriously - I personally hate getting people in trouble at work. I've done it a couple of times and felt really bad about it afterwards specifically because of that whole "maybe she was just having a bad day and I went and got her fired" kind of thing. It doesn't make me feel good, certainly doesn't improve my situation so I don't do it anymore. That was really where my post was coming from more than trying to defend the girl's behaviour which I acknowledged from the beginning to be really, really bad and something I would never do in a million years. If the situation were to arise a million years from now. Okay, now I'm just examining my own hyperbole. I need to click submit.
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    Thorn ATM hun.....Drop machine, you said it twice.....Gosh i'm bad. It's all good humour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    The point is this is her work place. She needs to treat it as such.

    If you went to a supermarket and the cashier had seen you at another store and started to make a public spectical of you at the cash register for being disloyal and shopping someplace else, you'd be looking to call the manager, not asking her if she is having a bad day. Even in strip-clubs there is a standard for professional behavior.

    Stores give customers reasons, in the form of incentives, to keep coming back.

    Dancing is no different. If you want repeat business you have to give them a reason to keep coming back. [AND NO I AM NOT ADVOCATING EXTRAS, though that is the way some dancers do it and I am not going to judge them one way or the other on that.]
    Dude, you cant really compare a supermarket to a strip club. I dont even see how that comparison relates to this situatuion unless you, as a customer, had some sort of relationship that extended beyond just normal cashier-customer boundaries (such as you and your friend fixing her computer or whatever was in the original post). If you had some sort of relationship with the cashier and knew her on friendly terms then why couldnt you ask her what was wrong?

    Anyway, i'm not condoning her behaviour but the fact that she was having a bad day, is a nut job or is whacked out on drugs could offer an explaination for her behaviour, not an excuse for it.

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    I complained about another dancer once. She wasn't being rude to the customers, but inappropriate. I was talking to a couple, she comes up and starts telling them how the dancer who was on stage was nasty and how she'd kicked her out of the dressing room and other lovely comments. Hey, thanks for ruining my business, the dancer-on-stage's business, and this couple's relative enjoyment of the night. I think the dancer is this situation DID need to be reprimanded - maybe not fired, but if she'd gone off on customers several times before it does warrant firing. This isn't just about two guys, every other customer within hearing distance got to see this spectacle and probably contributed to them not spending money either. I'm happy the bouncers I work with are VERY good about reprimanding customers if the situation is needed - now if the club is too caught up in making the customer happy at the dancer's expense [ie, doesn't throw customers out for groping] then that is bad for dancers.

    Does anyone else think that was waaay too much drama for $40? Snot, I've had regulars like that, I like 'em, but I don't get THAT insanely attached to them.
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    First of all, I agree that the dancer was out of line and needed to be reprimanded.

    But to give another example to show that not all dancers are psychos just as not all customers are grabby as*holes.

    Last time I was in, my ATF and another dancer that I get dances from ended up coming up to me at the same time from direct directions. Instead of being catty, they stood a few feet away from me for a couple of mins going back forth telling each other "it's ok, I'll come back later" then the other one said "no, you go ahead and I'll come back." It was kind of funny and this went on for like 30 secs before they settled it.

    LOL nothing to do with the thread but thought I'd give an example of a good experience.

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    Well, the dancer got reprimanded, maybe that'll stop her from yelling at customers again, BUT I do agree that there are sides to every story, you never know what she was thinking, not that i'm condoning it, but for future dancers that feel the need to tell off a customer...
    I'll tell management myself so it doesn't happen to other dancers.. I think we DO need to tell customers not do dumb things, no matter their excuse. I'd love to say it works both ways, but if a customer is coming into the club to relax and have a good time I don't think he has any excuse to be rude or cruel to other dancers.. I just don't see the reason for it if they weren't rude first. He's off work, we just started..

    And yes, we should leave our bad moods at home, but if someone is completely out of line it's hard to bite your tongue, isn't it? I once saw guys throw onion rings on stage and when I told a bouncer he said that the guys said it wasn't their onion rings, that someone else had left them there.. And I ask, don't you think that girl had a right to tell them off?

    I guess it's up to the customer whether or not they go to management over something they disagree with, I just hope it's never uncalled for.
    I really disagreed with other dancers coming by and telling their stories about the dancer, if someone gets caught doing that at my club, it's a 200 dollar fine. It doesn't matter what was said. We shouldn't be talking trash on eachother.
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    Whoo, I was just re-reading my posts here and I was kind of in an adversarial mood yesterday! I usually try to word my posts in a little more friendly fashion, and not be so shoot-from-the-hip blunt.

    There are plenty of ways to communicate with a rude customer without starting trouble. If a customer has a rude mouth, I will ask him to repeat what he just said, and to say it louder so everyone can hear. That will usually shut down a rude mouth, as he will instatnly realize that what he has said will bring him trouble, if not from the bouncers then from a customer who happens to really like the girl who was insulted.

    I have suggested other ideas as to how to deal with customers who are looking to skate out on their dance tab, refuse to tip and are being too grabby in other areas of stripperweb. The main thing is to deal with the rude customers like you would a misbehaving child.

    "Pleas don't touch me there" should do the trick with most customers. When the customer trys again it is "I said don't touch me there, if it happens again your dance is over, and you will be asked to leave." I make the second statement with a stern I-mean-business voice. If he continues, then he is escorted to the door (in time out until he can figure out how to behave in a strip club ).

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    Well okay then. We will just have to disagree on this. I myself am not a big complainer - if a waitress or a hairdresser does not perform correctly or adequately I will happily satisfy myself with using a different waitress or hairdresser in the future - it doesn't make me feel at all better to get them in trouble or (god forbid) fired - in fact, that would probably make me feel bad. Whereas just not patronizing her anymore would not. And I completely agree that it wasn't the customers fault she went ballistic, and I never implied that it was. I hate it when girls do that kind of thing. Maybe she did "deserve" to be fired - I would still feel bad.

    well before i was a dancer i was a hairdresser and if (never had) a complaint i would hope they would complaine so i would have a chance to correct it and or refund their $$$ in hopes the would come back...it's just good bussiness...and by doing so...the custmer hopefully would not bad mouth the salon and cause bussiness to drop off or worse yet get so slow it would have to close ...after all word of mouth is the best advertisment.

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    Wow. Quite a few different view points. 1st off, the customer didn't complain; he was on his way out the door when intervened by another dancer whom "corrected the situation". Yes, I do believe what was done was handled accordingly. IF by chance, so called dancer is having a bad night, act accordingly; either stay home, or if in dire need of $$$, bite the bullet and be a professional. Isn't that what you are? I know a certain amount of "ladies" want to get defensive in the stripper's favor, but common sense needs to prevail.
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    Bingo! Either stay home or suck it up and be a professional. In other words, do your job. I know it's not always an easy job but it's the one she chose. If this lady has problems in her life I truly hope she gets help and finds peace at some point . However, I just don't see any way that the guys did anything wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    And I've already given up - I said No Mercy! Let's just kill her and hang her body over the stage as a warning to those who would be unreasonably bitchy.
    Hmmm... I wish I could use one of those Halloween-style fake severed fingers in a similar fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Ev, you have to admit that drug abuse isn't always the reason this takes place.
    I have to? Normally I can be quite an argumentative devil's advocunt. But if you insist, and since I don't disagree anyway, I'll admit I was focusing on the drug abuse only because the custy brought it up as a possible catalyst in this specific incident. It may have been only a contributing factor, and I certainly don't believe it's at the root of all incidents of similar nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Let us be candid, It happens all the time and drugs frequently isn't the reason why. Far more often it has to do with how close it is to the end of the month and whether or not the dancer can make her bills.
    Granted, but when a drug habit is involved, it can take a big slice of the monthly budget. Like I told one girl trying to set up a plan, when financial guru Dave Ramsey advises you to allocate "blow money" in your household budget, I don't think he actually means for "blow."

    Personally, I allow my regs to avoid huge amounts of stripper drama by offering to sign them up for automatic transfers from their account to mine at "that time of month."

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Be honest... you've seen it [though I don't think you'd be the type to pull that kind of stuff yourself].
    Well, since you're forcing me to be candid, honest and admission laden, Svengali, I have to confess that yelling and spazzing out never did me any good because they produce a defensive reaction from the customer. I've found projecting disappointment and weaving other subtle guilt trips work so much better.

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    keep your personal issues at home! we all have days where we feel tired, pissed off or just recieved terrible news, but never bring that into work with u.. she was way out of line!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearstearstears
    Maybe she was just having a bad day or was stressed or had PMS or felt sick or is psychologically damaged or who knows.

    Did you ask her?
    Does it matter?

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