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    Hey everybody, I was just reading a post on a dancer being intimidated by Vegas..and it got me thinking about a few things that I wanted to ask everyone about. These questions are directed towards the djs, dancers, and customers out there everyone. Im curious to get everyone's input, so here goes..

    I have been out to clubs in Vegas, and to be quite up front here, I was intimidated by the clubs. I have been to Crazy Horse 2, Sapphire, and OG on a weekend night , and I have seen how it is in these clubs..I wouldnt consider myself someone whos conceited, nor whos down on herself..Yet, the thought of working inthose clubs without a nose job, boob job(which I already have of course), hair extensions, tons of makeup , perfectly straight teeth..you guys get the picture...seems inevitable..So many people in Vegas have had multiple surgies to make themselves "perfect" that I would never feel comfortable living there nor working there..I enjoy being able to live in a town where you dont feel like you have to have a ton of makeup on everytime you leave the house in Vegas, theres so many beautiful, surgically enhanced people that if you arent like them you will have a hard time succeeding out there.

    This isnt right to me and this is why Id never want to live in such a place...To me places like LA, NY, and Vegas are made up of people who would knife someone in the back, if that meant that theyd look better then the other person..Its ruthless....Shallow..etc.. What do you all think? Now I know I might be taking this to the extreme a little bit...but,still..

    Now in no way am I am average or ugly girl..I do very well for myself around here..I just dont work all that much. I am more focused onmy mind and going to school..Right now, I have a 4.0 and Im doing my best to keep that up(dont know if I can but Im doing my best). To me the mind, feelings, Loving another person are so much more important and deserve alot more attention then this looks obessed, shallow society is giving.

    It makes me wish I could get out of this society, and go live out in the mountains somewhere with just the ones I love..and get away from all of this sh#$. Is there anyone else out there that shares any of these same feelings?

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    I know that I cant just run away into the mountains to escape this society, I guess sometimes I just get so fed up with so many things I just wish I could.

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    Helen and Scott Nearing shared your feelings and wrote books about it. Living the Good Life and uhm.. another one.



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    Lena

    I just browsed through one of their sites very briefly. Im not sure if you understood my post completely..I mean this couple did result to leaving the conventional world..I just get sick of this world, yet I dont yearn to truly live in the wilderness...Although I enjoy my trips to the mountains..I enjoy getting away, always have ever since my dad instilled that desire in me when i was young takng our trips biking, camping etc...

    I just see all morals, so many good things going in the shitter..I am also seeing that in the "dancer world" no one else feels like me. Its ok though, I see my feelings are in the minority.

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    I don't think it's a particularly looks-obsessed culture we live in. In China, women were binding their feet just for beauty. And it's not just women. On that same side on the planet, Japaneze Yakuza get full body tattoos to have group belonging. And in most societies around the world, boys get circumcised at birth, for no other reason than cultural/religious tradition, social norm, and cosmetic ideals. And those are PAINFUL rituals, some long-winded, while the Vegas surgeries aren't.

    I don't think it's shallow to "enhance" one's appearance, especially for marketing purposes. I think capitalism does tend to blow nature out of proportion: look at how often people think they need to eat, just because of the marketing of food. But I don't think we can really step outside of it because it's all relative, everywhere to everyone. Someone could be thinking the same thing of you for having gotten a boob job, that you're "the problem". How would that make you feel? Like they're being a little self-righteous? Like "hey I'm only one person?"

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    shift_6x, nice to see you again.
    Well, in this case, you gotta accept life on life's terms. Vegas attracts ambitious chicks who know there's money and connections there, and are willing to do anything to get what they want. Same with big cities anywhere, any country.
    And sometimes you have to do something you don't like for the greater good. For one person, it might be taking a job they dislike for a high paycheck. Or relocating for a loved one. Or, adjusting your appearance to make more money as a dancer. There's always an end in sight. Growing as a person is the process of realizing whether your goal is what you want.

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    Very glad to see you again too!

    Here's a question...Lets just say youre a dancer and you want to move to LA, NY FL or Vegas so you can make the big money...And this example goes for every job as a matter of fact...Lets just say you get into this job's atmosphere and you realize that you need a tan, nose job, nails, eyelid surgery etc..And right off the bat you dont have the money so you work for a while and eventually you save up enough $$..Hypothetically over time you get everything done you want. And lets just pretend that puts you into the top earners in your club. Are you going to feel good about your decisions? Most girls would..but me..NO.

    No because Im scared I would lose myself..Im actually scared of what I might become after all of that surgery..Yes maybe a prettier nose or straighter teeth..but is that necessary? For me the answer is no. Right now in "my" life my imperfections are what make me "me". I want those imperfections to stay right now for a sense of "realness" that Im finding less and less in this world. Its bad enough that i have to conform to the fake world of dancing..Ive had it in many ways with putting ont he act..It is very important that I dont lose who I really am through being a dancer..Ive seen this happen to many girls.

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    Well, I agree with you, but I wouldn't judge others. I "didn't believe" in large breast implants until one of my dancer pals got them...they looked great on her (she was tall and strong so it did not look unbalanced on her). Not for me, but good for her.
    I think the saddest cosmetic surgery procedures are the ones that look apparent- I've seen bad nose & boob jobs, tans and hair bleaching. The human eye can discern what looks right and what doesn't.
    I won't change either for dancing- I make less but am happy. I feel good about myself. Dancing is temporary but I'm permanent.
    I think the most messed-up dancers butcher themselves ("starve and carve") because they're truly unhappy inside and are looking in the wrong places for affirmation.
    Edit to add: one of the first dancers I ever met was a curvy girl with glasses. I asked her how long she danced with glasses. "Forever." What did she do if men gave her a hard time? "I tell 'em to f*ck off." The thing that people try to buy with cosmetic surgery and appearance altering is confidence....some people have more than others.
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    I was dancing in a club in australia and it seemes that all the girls looked like barbie dolls, perfect blonde hair, teeth. fake boobs you get the idea! and you know what? I made more $$ than all off them because I was the only brunette with real boobs (no surgery in my life) all the guys said I looked so different it was refreshing. I am not against surgery I am getting a boob job soon for myself, but it was nice to hear that not all guys want the "ideal" look.

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    This is to be blamed on society. Hollywood is the perfect example. Women in are society are disposable once they hit a certain age and it is very sad and no other countries are not as looks and age obsessed as the U.S.

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    I think some places are worse, like Brazil for instance. That's why everything is "the brazilian..." "Brazilian bikini wax" "Brazilian butt lift"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shift_6x
    Madmaxine

    Very glad to see you again too!

    Here's a question...Lets just say youre a dancer and you want to move to LA, NY FL or Vegas so you can make the big money...And this example goes for every job as a matter of fact...Lets just say you get into this job's atmosphere and you realize that you need a tan, nose job, nails, eyelid surgery etc..And right off the bat you dont have the money so you work for a while and eventually you save up enough $$..Hypothetically over time you get everything done you want. And lets just pretend that puts you into the top earners in your club. Are you going to feel good about your decisions? Most girls would..but me..NO.

    No because Im scared I would lose myself..Im actually scared of what I might become after all of that surgery..Yes maybe a prettier nose or straighter teeth..but is that necessary? For me the answer is no. Right now in "my" life my imperfections are what make me "me". I want those imperfections to stay right now for a sense of "realness" that Im finding less and less in this world. Its bad enough that i have to conform to the fake world of dancing..Ive had it in many ways with putting ont he act..It is very important that I dont lose who I really am through being a dancer..Ive seen this happen to many girls.
    I hear ya too Shift_6x. Some women get cosmetic surgeries done for ALL the wrong reasons. Some women get it done to feel better about themselves, and boost self-esteem.

    What matters most is what is on the inside of the person. If a women gets implants, eyes done lips etc. and her personality changes, she is shallow in my book. Friends will notice her change in behaviour and probably leave.

    I only hope many women stay nice as they were before surgery. I knew of a lady who had 4 consults before she found a doctor to do the surgeries she wanted, because she kept telling everyone she wanted to be a different person!!! Whoa! Wrong reason.

    I would fear what you talk about also shift. I don't do Plastic Surgery, i am cocky enough, i don't want to change into a "shallow" person. I can see it happening....Really.

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    I have to say that I really don't see a lot of plastic surgery where I work. Well, there's the usual boob jobs, but no nose jobs or dental surgery. Yes, Hollywood has made it so women are disposable at a certain age. What about the more mature actresses that we do believe are gorgeous. More and more we are seeing this trend. I believe we are changing as a society because so many women are tired of living up to unreachable expectations. Look at Jamie Lee Curtis who was always thought of because she had an unbelieveable body when she younger, she posed in her ugliest underwear with all of her imperfections in a magazine. She wanted to show that she was a normal women. I guess the strip clubs in Vegas might be like that, but I know girls from my club that go out there and make good money who are not the barbie type at all. It all comes down to men all have their own taste. Sure, you might not be someone's taste one night, but the next night the barbie doll might not be anybody's either. We all have our turn at being someone's ideal hotty. I never think you should underestimate yourself because you haven't spend the right amount of money on your body. What really shines is your inner soul.

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    Thank you all for your thoughts on all of this I really appreciate your time . This is what I fear I might see...after I finally get out of dancing I could be (with the hypothetical myriad of plastic surgeries) staring into the mirror unable to see the girl I used to be when I entered dancing..Even almost 9 years into it, I still look comparable to what I originally did getting into dancing(with the addition of age of course, but still). I fight the "need for plastic surgery" just like others, admittingly, I do..because we all do age, and with age looks can fade...And if I wanted to I could get a surgery done right now..but no, Im not going to do it..If people dont like me because of whatever reason they might give, I really dont give a sh$%, because I know that I am damn good person..I may doubt many things in life, but that I know is true...

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    Shift6x, you should have watched oprah today. They had women who cant stop getting plastic surgery. The one girl was 28 and had over 20 surgeries. She looked like an alien. Oprah waas saying its our society and thats why women think they need to look perfect. Its really very sad.

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    If you have any doubts that American culture is not youth or appearance obsessed, I suggest you buy any fashion magazine and estimate the age of every model in every advertisement. I would never tell a woman what she should or should not do to her body or image, but I do feel very sad that we women for some reason in this day and age feel like we need to fulfill a stereotype or we're unattractive.

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    It's just a perception that living in Vegas is different than anywhere else.

    Too many people perceive the entire metro area of Vegas as just like the strip. That is why when I go to any city I avoid tourist areas. Away from the tourist areas, Las Vegas is JUST LIKE any other city in the country.

    Walk through the 3 malls other than Fashion Show. Go to the grocery stores several miles or more from the strip. Go to restaurants in Henderson, North Las Vegas, Summerlin, Northeast Las Vegas. The people will look JUST like they do anywhere else in the country.

    The only thing that makes dancing in Vegas harder is the amount of dancers, which many times outnumbers the customers. And every dancer there isn't overly beautiful. There are all types of girls there.

    Locals stay off the strip unless they work there, go to the Fashion Show Mall, go to a buffet or to a concert.

    Las Vegas has over 1.7 million people, and I guarantee you the MAJORITY of them have had no type of plastic surgery.

    If you don't judge an entire metro area by the tourist traps, you will find very little to be intimidated by.

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    My post wasnt made to offend anyone. Sorry if it offended you.

    I have stayed at my best friend's parents' house..and yes he lives on one of the suburbs of Las Vegas..and yes it is there similiar to many other suburbs in America. That Was one of my misconceptions before I went out there..I thought Vegas was nothing but a glamourous casino ridden strip..I was wrong..Ive been out there 3 time in the past 2 1/2 yrs...Ive been out to the mountains driven through summerlin went to Red Shoes which I love all the malls..I was at an advantage because my best friend lived there with his parents so he knew Vegas and the surrounding cities so I went everywhere and much of the time it wasnt the strip..The appeal of the strip was short lived to me..
    The west coast is so much different then the west coast. Im definitely east coast.

    Where I live, I do well..I dont haev the opportunity to make high dollar amts(like an average of $500-1500 a night). like the girls who work topless..and or doing lap dances..but thats not what Im comfortable with.

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