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    Default Ever wonder how many millions the UN has killed?

    I just saw "Hotel Rwanda." I recommend seeing it. It is an amazing story of bravery.

    One can see first hand how UN "peace keeper" inaction has resulted in millions of deaths. You can watch as UN soldiers don't fire a shot into any machete hacking lunatic high on whatever. They just stand around watching little children being hacked apart with large knives - hands and arms and legs thrown about.

    As I watched it - the thought came to me - "How many people have died because of the UN?"

    Rwanda is one example - hell, the thugs were armed by the French none-the-less. Kinda of interesting.

    The UN is definately broken. Or it is the wrong organization for these sorts of endeavors.

    I wonder how many people starved or were killed by UN sanctions. It isn't the elite the sanctions are meant to effect. They always effect the common man - and rather dreadfully at that. The elite just black market their weapons and take from the commoners what they need.

    Sanctions are really like a siege on a city - just multiplied. Sieges have always killed a lot of people when the horse meat is gone and the rats are eaten out.

    It's not just UN inaction - there is the UN cronism and corruption. The oil-for-food scandal is showing that certain nations and people were helping Saddam stay in power for cheap oil and first rights to supply his domain (one could hardly call it a country) with items.

    And yet, so many count on this corrupt killer of common people incapable of action to perform the actions needed to control the troublemakers in the world.

    But of course, the apologists will go on about "well, America didn't do anything either" (under a democratic administration - go figure) or "America isn't doing anything now" which is a lie because we are out there doing something.

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    Default Re: Ever wonder how many millions the UN has killed?

    But of course, the apologists will go on about "well, America didn't do anything either" (under a democratic administration - go figure) or "America isn't doing anything now" which is a lie because we are out there doing something
    Actually Bill Clinton initially DID do something in Bosnia/Serbia/Kosovo, and without a UN resolution authorizing him to do so (unlike GWB who specifically sought a UN resolution prior to beginning middle east military operations). He sent just enough US troops into the region to give the people some hope, but then effectively relinquished strategic military mission selection and planning to UN authorities - resulting in US troops effectively standing by during continuing 'genocide' and risking the lives of US military while accomplishing little or nothing in the way of actual end result. IMHO Clinton's efforts in the balkans bear a lot more resemblance to a mini-Vietnam than GWB's efforts in the middle east, despite comments to the contrary from Teddy Kennedy and "mainstream" US media.



    Drifting toward a tangent, the behavior, motivations and decisions of the UN are really no different at heart than those set down by the UN's predecessor the League of Nations. If you're truly interested in the forces at work behind the scenes then and now, give "Paris 1919" by Margaret MacMillan (a descendent of British PM Lloyd George) a read -


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    Default Re: Ever wonder how many millions the UN has killed?

    One can see first hand how UN "peace keeper" inaction has resulted in millions of deaths. You can watch as UN soldiers don't fire a shot into any machete hacking lunatic high on whatever. They just stand around watching little children being hacked apart with large knives - hands and arms and legs thrown about.
    They didn't do anything at Srbrenica either, and the peacekeepers watched as their own weapons were confiscated by Serbs and 7K Muslim men were rounded up and executed en masse. And let's not talk about the Congo...

    The UN just isn't good at dealing with conflict resolution; once the shooting is done, and relative order has been restored with distance and military parity between opposing forces, then peacekeepers can do some good (think Sinai Peninsula, Cyprus, et al).

    When it comes to actual combat however, the UN is just too bureaucratic to be effective--there's too many people requiring permission to pull triggers. This is not the case with American forces; local commanders have very wide latitude in a theatre in support of their mission. Sierra Leone and the US embassy come to mind when a US Marine sniper killed a rebel leader from some absurd distance after repeated incursions and threats against the embassy and Marines stationed there; the commandant on site ordered the rebel leaders to be taken out, and as soon as the armed rabble saw what a small, professional and highly lethal force could do, they STFU and behaved around the embassy after that. UN troops just can't do this.

    The UN is OK at drilling water wells and delivering polio vaccines, but not conflict resolution. That's a task best left to nations that actually know something about conflict and how to engage in it effectively. People say violence never solved anything, which is not correct; the indiscriminate and unprofessional use of violence indeed accomplishes very little, but violence that is effectively applied, thoroughly executed and well-directed can accomplish great things.
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    Default Re: Ever wonder how many millions the UN has killed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    ...And let's not talk about the Congo...
    Given the "20/20" segment to be broadcst tonight, let's do exactly that.


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    Default Re: Ever wonder how many millions the UN has killed?

    I'll have to look for that.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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