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    Ya know, it's interesting that you brought this topic up RD. When I first started dancing I actually thought about the possibility of contracting an STD at the club from the poles. I asked my doctor about it, she said that it's very unlikely that you could catch an std from the pole through your thong. I don't know the conditions of the place you worked but unless you guys did naked pole work or wore dentlal floss thongs with the possibility of some one gettin' the pole juicy - I doubt it posed a threat. However, I will note that when I am at work I am an avid hand washer and always wash may hands after stage set and before eating... just a few words of wisdom there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamazon
    First of all, didn't the first post say that she got it from one of the DJs?? And how was this information confirmed? Did someone else get it from him, too? This gal may have been in the wrong in several ways, but she was surely not the only party at fault, no. In addition, contracting an STD is shameful enough, let alone having some disrespectful loud mouth broadcasting the information to anyone who will listen to this type of spewing at the mouth. The most important thing is to be educated. That way, you won't sound like an idiot and you can also help spread the facts, rather than propaganda which may be just to hurt someone else. You may have been able to help this girl learn more about her condition, who knows?

    Some good resources, and
    thats what i was thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamazon
    This gal may have been in the wrong in several ways, but she was surely not the only party at fault, no. In addition, contracting an STD is shameful enough, let alone having some disrespectful loud mouth broadcasting the information to anyone who will listen to this type of spewing at the mouth. The most important thing is to be educated. That way, you won't sound like an idiot and you can also help spread the facts, rather than propaganda which may be just to hurt someone else. You may have been able to help this girl learn more about her condition, who knows?

    Some good resources, and
    Very well said Glamazon

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    Me personally..I wouldnt sleep with 2 men in the same week, even with a condom (I have no clue if you can catch herpes by wearing one?), so on that note I didnt feel sorry for her going out and doing this to herself, thats why I didnt help her or have anything to do with her. OTOH, if she would have been with only her husband, and he was the one who went out and cheated and brought it back to her, then heck yea, I would have felt bad for her to have to go through it, but on her own accord she went out and slept with 2 other men, and for that, too bad I say. I rarely have sympathy for people like that. And yes, she said she got it from the dj, but I have no clue as to if he had an outbreak at the time or anything. Its just the way she put herself in the situation that made me not feel bad for her. There are all kinds out there though, some I feel sorry for, some I dont.

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    I'm ITA with Glam and Tampa and Mag on this one.

    Also wanted to bring up something that's really obvious and, quite frankly, alarming to me. You seem to have two totally different issues that are running amok in your brain. You said yourself:

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredDancer
    I think if her situation would have been different, then I wouldnt have been so harsh about her situation, but she slept with two guys, our dj's no less, within a week.
    This bewilders me. Are you judging her bc she has herpes, or bc she acted in a way that you find morally wrong? Would you have freaked out if she got herpes from her husband? Would you still be thinking about it if she had slept with someone you didn't know, rather than the dj's?

    I sense a lot of hostility from you for her actions, and think that you're using the std as an excuse to lash out with that hostility.

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    Who am I to judge? BUT I find it wrong IMO that she slept with 2 men in one week, and she was married at the time she did it. If she would have gotten it from her husband because HE had been sleeping around, I would have lashed out at him, and probably been lots more lenient with her, although I would have still brought it up to mgt that I was uncomfortable working with her. If it wouldnt have been our djs, I would still remember it. Who wouldnt? I just thought it would be interesting to see what other peoples' views are on this subject. What irritated me was that she came back and continued to dance, and put her bare crotch over guys' faces and come in physical contact with their face, like she really didnt care what happened there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredDancer
    Who am I to judge? BUT I find it wrong IMO that she slept with 2 men in one week, and she was married at the time she did it.
    No doubt her husband would agree...

    The DJ who gave it to her should be in for a share of the blame, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredDancer
    I just thought it would be interesting to see what other peoples' views are on this subject. What irritated me was that she came back and continued to dance, and put her bare crotch over guys' faces and come in physical contact with their face, like she really didnt care what happened there.
    I agree that it is inconsiderate in the extreme to subject other people to the risk of herpes, though those who have contracted the disease and act responsibly shouldn't be judged harshly--we are all human.
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    Exactly..and she didnt act responsibly IMO, thats why I was harsh on her and about her.

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    I've worked with girls who have had herpes. They don't work when they are in an outbreak stage, but of course, they can still pass it. Most of the ones I have worked with who have had herpes have been very considerate of everyone else- cleaning down the pole and floor after their sets, even when it is busy- they just do a one song break while they clean up for "maintanence". I've had girls walk right up to me and say, "Just an FYI... you follow me tonight.. you are aware of my condition?".. I asked my doctor and he basically said that unless I am going to swapping bodily fluids, the chances are very low of passing it unless they are in an outbreak stage and contaminate the area with their blood or fluids. And I'm not sure what type of club is going to have a girl juicing up the stage??? LOL


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    HEH Gynger I tried to make that my point to mgt (that you could still pass it even if it wasnt active), when they said she was going to the dr and would not come back until her outbreak was over. Gee, that helps a lot? It even says so on the commercials it is still possible to spread them if you dont have an outbreak. Apparently they knew everything though? That is nice of the ones you have worked with doing that though..that type of person I would respect for making sure they clean up after themselves and such. And hopefully no clubs will have girls juicing up the stage, lmao..although I have heard of (on here I believe) a girl sticking a dollar in her vagina while on stage. *sighs, shaking her head*

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    I agree about the dj though, he was just as much of an asshole as she was to sleep around knowing she is married. Never did hear of which one gave it to her though.

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    My older sister has had genital herpes since age 12 and one of my best friends has it. I do not, and I sat on the toliet after both girls used same bath tub etc, My friend was a dancer and we danced together for years we did alot of doubles I still do not have herpes you may be able to get a cold the flu or any number of viruses from casual contact but unless you are doing something you shouldnt be doing you WILL NOT catch herpes from another dancer.I am not givng you this info as an opinion im giving to you as a fact I also went to nursing school and spent alot of time studing comunicabile diseases.You cant tell be looking what anyone has maybe you b/f has herpes and to afraid to tell u from fear or rejection, no one is perfect we all maike mistakes.

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    EDUCATE YOURSELF on the MEDICAL facts, RD!! Then, start analyzing your own life. You will be surprised at how imperfect you, your man, your family and everyone you know are. You will see how everyone has dirty laundry. It seems that by airing someone else's, you are able to ignore and even hide your own. This doesn't mean you have to live your life like an open book, but it is rude, classless behavior to be gossipping about other people like that.

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    Don't bitch at me about rude. You are the one shooting her mouth off because you didnt like what you saw. Now, since everyone in the entire world has an opinion, I wont bitch back at you for it. You have to understand that not everyone thinks differently. And since you put your two cents in, thank you for it. But did I once announce this girl's name?? No, so apparently it isnt hurting her or anyone else. And as I said time and time and time again before, I didnt think what she did was right, and yes, I have an opinion to it if she airs her crap. If she goes and sleeps with two other men while married, I personally believe that is a slut. No, I have never cheated on my husband, and I never will. If I would have ever slept with two other men while married, I would be so ashamed that I would never show my face again. And btw, I dont need to analyze my life, because there is nothing wrong within it. And did I ever say I was perfect? No one is except God. I can admit that when I was young (1 I sowed wild oats, but I did it safely, and within reasonable time between the people that I slept with that IF I WOULD have gotten pregnant by one of them, I would have known who the father was. Seems like I struck a nerve with you though. So thats my opinion. And no, I dont believe I am rude, or classless to be talking about a situation I encountered a long time ago. And as you can see, if you read the posts, there are other people who worked with someone who had an std. So since they mentioned them in their post, are they classless and rude for talking about them also?? What about people who rant about customers and other dancers? You need to think more carefully, IMO, about a couple of things you post.

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    its funny how the girl in question gets progressively worse throughout the post..


    Sorry, but i dont think there is anyway to back up what you said.

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    [QUOTE=tampafldancer]its funny how the girl in question gets progressively worse throughout the post..


    I agree Tampa.
    I keep picturing RDancer as one of those gals that sit in the dressing room all night talking shit & making up fairytales and picking on dancers that she is jealous of behind their back.I have worked with too many dancers like this.I feel sorry for this other dancer,especially if its not true.I highly doubt this girl would go around telling everybody she slept with 2 djs and herpes.Come on now.Dancers can be evil with gossip.We all know this.

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    Hee, hee, hee........................"fairytales"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamazon
    EDUCATE YOURSELF on the MEDICAL facts, RD!! Then, start analyzing your own life. You will be surprised at how imperfect you, your man, your family and everyone you know are. You will see how everyone has dirty laundry. It seems that by airing someone else's, you are able to ignore and even hide your own. This doesn't mean you have to live your life like an open book, but it is rude, classless behavior to be gossipping about other people like that.
    Excellent points Glamazon.
    Your post's are fresh breaths of air.

    I think gossipping about someone is completly wrong for so many reasons.
    I never understood why some people are so quick to talk about someone behind thier back.
    Spreading any kind of NEGATIVE energy around hurt's everyone around you by making the envrioment feel uncomfortable .
    And as everyone knows gossip fuels more gossip and before long it can sprial out of control and hurt those being talked about more than you know.

    I wish everyone would just take a moment before opening thier mouth to say something bad about someone and remember a time that they were the one being talked about and how it made them feel.

    And as you said some people should take a moment to educate themselves about certain issues.

    As my father always told me ''It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and be proven one''.


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    Oh bah, it seems to me that a few people are trying to act too "good" in this post. At least though, I can voice my opinion without being ashamed. And the three people I respect most on here agree with me, which is what I think matters. One of them told me to stick to my guns, don't back down in what I believe, and I wont. And under the "good" skin of you few girls, you probably think the same way I do, whether you admit it or not. And no, I wasnt one of the girls who sat around in the dressing room, but if that makes you feel better about yourself, keep on believing it. So if everyone on here believes that gossiping about someone is classless and rude, then you all have it in also..what do you think you do when you come on here and gossip about a customer? Or a boyfriend? Or a girlfriend, family member? In whatever sense you are talking about them, you are gossiping. And as for being jealous of another dancer.. I have never been jealous. Sure, there are plenty of girls out there who can dance better than me, have better bodies, have more $, ect ect. The list could go on and on. BUT I am not jealous..I am happy the way I am made and with the life I have. I think some members have, for some reason, idolized others, and for that reason agree with them, and want to get on their good side. I hope it doesnt bother anyone that I speak my mind, but as anyone can see, it does. Be it so, I dont really mind.

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    RD i think the way you handled this situation showed a a bit of small mindedness and immaturity. I hope you have matured since this incident. If you would have did a bit of research about herpes I don't think you would have freaked out so much. My best friend got it along time ago and she trusted me enough to tell me. I never to this day told anyone else. I also did a lot of research on it with her and what Glamazon said was right on. Now saying that it was super irresponsible for her to be humping guys faces. Sounds like club that i would never dance at that allowed this type of behavior. I am not trying to attack you I just really disagree with the way you handled it.
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    And PS trying to act as you put it "TOO good" is not a bad thing. Trying to reach up and beyond our base human instincts and be better people that are open minded and sypathetic to other people is not a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredDancer
    HEH Gynger I tried to make that my point to mgt (that you could still pass it even if it wasnt active), when they said she was going to the dr and would not come back until her outbreak was over. Gee, that helps a lot? It even says so on the commercials it is still possible to spread them if you dont have an outbreak. Apparently they knew everything though? That is nice of the ones you have worked with doing that though..that type of person I would respect for making sure they clean up after themselves and such. And hopefully no clubs will have girls juicing up the stage, lmao..although I have heard of (on here I believe) a girl sticking a dollar in her vagina while on stage. *sighs, shaking her head*

    Each situation is different RD... the girls I have worked with were back in the mid 90's when things weren't so out in the open and clear of what could and and couldn't be passed. I'm not talking real recent here in regards to my post.
    My point is, is that worry about you and you only. Don't try and figure out other people's actions- just mind your own p's and q's. This is not meant as a slam whatsoever, but sometimes, you just have to remove yourself from the the things that other people are doing and try to remember why you are there to begin with- you are there for whatever reason you are there for, and it can be a cut throat, drama ridden industry.. why succum to getting caught up in it? If you are concerned about a specific dancer who might have something contagious, but you aren't sure, than maybe you should take the precautions yourself- no one comes right out and admits anything to anyone, unless they want to, so unless you know for certain that this person does in fact have an STD, its hear say.


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    I think it's all relative. If you got herpes from dancing at the club with her, other people might say "well I have no sympathy for her. I consider her a slut for being a stripper. She knew what she was doing, and she' s married?! If I stripped naked in public for strange men I would be so ashamed I that I would never show my face again" etc. and I think they would be just as hypocritical for passing judgement and presumptious for thinking you even want their sympathy, because like I said it's relative.

    Yes people do gossip about customers, but only when those customers are behaving unethically, ie. being mean directly to them, doing something directly to them, and they are merely expressing their frustration or trying to get constructive advice for next time. That is equivalent to you understandably expressing frustration about this girl putting you at risk by not being clean. They don't take it as far as judging customers for going to SCs in the first place.

    I agree with you that she was being inconsiderate by dancing on men's faces like that. She is not considering that they are married and have fams. I think the club should have taken precautions. That why for pole tricks I would prefer to wear booty shorts or a short skirt. Also why it's no good to sit on chairs in a thong! I have seen too many girls do that! It's not safe.

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    Also, to me it was unethical to sleep with two other men while being married, and wrong on both of the dj's part, they should have their asses hung out to dry. And I also thought it would be interesting to see if any other girls have been in this situation, and if so what they did, as I stated in the begining of my very first post. And not once did I mention the girls name, or mine, so no one could possibly know exactly who I am talking about. The club took precautions in the begining, but then, since it was another body, they let her do as she pleased. And if I ever sat in a chair with a thong (like in the dressing room) I would put a towel or something over it..but then since everyone here is so gungho that you cant get anything from sitting on a chair, they would probably think of my behaviour as out of line. Eh. Oh well though. I just think some people should have read the post all the way through, from the very beginning, instead of hopping on in the middle, which I think some did. It is not a crime for me to voice my opinion, or for them to voice theirs, but going around calling someone classless and rude for starting a post to see what other dancers did in the same situation is ignorant. So I think. Especially when I didnt give out personal information about the girl..for example, her first and last name, ssn, date of birth, ect ect.

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    I will say this, that people who work in strip clubs who sleep around indiscriminately with fellow employees can cause a lot of harm to the social atmosphere, general level of inter-employee friendliness and co-operation, and ultimately, the success of the club from a business standpoint. When considered in this light, RD's post isn't so out of line as a lot of the replies would indicate--and a lot of the replies are coming from people I really like and respect, here. So I don't say this lightly.

    It is sure as sh*t true that the male employees are as guilty as the dancers, and probably a bit more so due to their generally aggressive and predatory behavior. The managers, bouncers, and DJs where my girlfriend has worked, especially in the last 4-5 clubs, have been complete and utter assholes. Several of them have been so bad that under ordinary conditions I would have broken their fucking jaw--but as we know stripclubs aren't ordinary business environments.

    By far the worst drama I have seen in stripclubs, and the most harmful to employee morale and legitimate use of authority by management, was caused by the fucking around that was going on, by those who should have known better.

    Lest you think I am trying to take the moral high ground and preach, I fucked up royally, once, and paid the price--but more on that later...

    But though RD has admitted that the DJ deserves his share of blame, it takes two to tango (sorry for the cliche, but you get what I mean). The dancer sounds to me as though she was not helping employee relations in the club, not to mention her marriage, and so might deserve to be bitched about a little.

    And if herpes is not nearly as easy to transmit as some people fear, if the girl is rubbing her cookie all over guys' faces on a regular basis, I would say this constitutes fairly risky behavior. Who knows what this girl was doing in VIP?

    If her customers were guys like the one who recently posted in SCJ: "A lick turns into a suck and a suck turns into full on clitoris in mouth while the tongue works it like a speed bag...I ran my tongue down and into her pussy.", you got a problem, especially if the next dancer is stupid enough to let this idiot pull the same disgusting shit on her. I'm all for cunnilingus, but not with a dancer a guy just met 10 minutes ago. And we all know that way too many customers don't give a damn for the health of the dancers when it comes to STDs.

    RD may be coming on strong, and not demonstrating much sympathy for the dancer, but she was acting irresponsibly, and RD never mentioned her name, the name of the club, etc.

    Also the post that she started the thread with was asking a question, not just making a judgement:

    "My question to you guys is..do you think it is ok for someone who has an std they would be able to pass to work in a club? Would any of you girls work there if they did?"

    I don't want to cause more trouble with this reply, I just want peace in the Forum, please...
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