As I've mentioned before...![]()
Hence my concern. I know it's common but would you say all but a very select few escorts offer GFE/PSE? Is CFS just expected??
If so thenOUT.
As I've mentioned before...![]()
Hence my concern. I know it's common but would you say all but a very select few escorts offer GFE/PSE? Is CFS just expected??
If so thenOUT.
"You have demonic genius" -Naomi Wolf
"I very much resent it when people - maybe with good intentions or from a progressive point of view - keep telling me, 'It's their culture' ... It's like saying the culture of Massachusetts is burning witches." -Azar Nafisi
good thing im not an escort cos i dont even know what the hell a gfe/pse is! back to school i go...
This was copied and pasted for people to understand more about "escorts." Also called prostitutes of course.
.2 Besides sex, what other services does a prostitute provide?
The services that a prostitute provides vary widely. Some prostitutes provide no additional services. They endeavor to do the absolute minimum and then leave. Other prostitutes are more customer-service oriented, and provide attentiveness, respect, warmth, understanding, and caring. A wide range of other services are often provided as well, including massage, HIV awareness, gay sex education, and referrals to gay resources. Some escorts even provide "tour guide" services. Others are even willing to purchase illegal drugs for their clients.
Some prostitutes also specialize in providing certain types of sex-related services which are not necessarily sex in and of themselves. For example, some prostitutes provide S&M services such as bondage, flogging, and role-playing. Others provide a wide variety of cross dressing services. There is as much diversity among these lines are there is in human sexuality.
In addition to all of this, prostitutes provide a number of hidden services for their clients, such as providing a nonjudgmental environment, discretion, and convenience.
Better yet the site, all the terminology can be looked up, and gets confusing for many people here.




GFE = Girl Friend Experience. I suspect that more has been written about what exactly GFE means on prostitution related net forums than the entire content of SW postings over its history. Everyone seems to have a different opinion...so much so that the term barely means anything in practise, except "good" in some vague sense. A little more specifically, some use it to refer to a certain set of specific services and some use it to refer to the style or mood of the encounter. In any case, it is a positive description of an escort encounter or service.Originally Posted by mermaidnz
PSE = Porn Star Experience. This one is clearer and more consistently used. It means that the sex is like what you see in typical porn videos, lots of posiitions, activities, multiple orifices, high energy, no plot, fake orgasms, bad music etc. Also generally meant positively. Some customers prefer GFEs and some PSEs.
-Ww
"At this moment what more need we seek?
As the Truth eternally reveals itself,
This very place is the Lotus Land of Purity,
This very body is the Body of the Buddha."
- Zazen Wasan




I think that "all but a select few" would be overstating it a bit.Originally Posted by LilSweetVixen
Certainly the majority of escorts offer "full service", whether or not it is GFE or PSE is usually a matter of opinion, and that is what the typical customer is expecting if he is given no reason to believe otherwise. But it is not that unusual to run into exceptions, and as Pamela and others here have reported, it is possible to make reasonable money without providing FS. If you are so inclined, it is worth at least giving it a (careful) try, imo. As others have also mentioned, it is important that customers know that there will be no FS in advance of your meeting if possible.
A while back (maybe around 5 years) there was an escort in the DC area (in suburban VA actually, I think) who became very well known and popular in net circles for what was reportedly really excellent service which did not include FS. She had some cool term for her service too, something which made it sound both enticing and clearly limited. I can't for the life of me remember what it was though, at the moment anyway.
-Ww
"At this moment what more need we seek?
As the Truth eternally reveals itself,
This very place is the Lotus Land of Purity,
This very body is the Body of the Buddha."
- Zazen Wasan
These posts would be much easier for alot of people to read if you just spelled out you're words. The terms (2) i looked up and asked about are not even what are commonly used, or people have different meanings for them.Originally Posted by LilSweetVixen
I don't want to get into the whole "you're wrong crap," just easier to type out what you mean, so all can read who wish, and understand. This is like speaking another language, that most don't speak, myself included.
Also a answer to you're question. Not all agency's operate the same, this i have learned. Go on some interviews, check them out. You don't like it...Walk. It's that easy!
Pamela
Everyone here's kind of hung up on agencies and forgets about independent escorts. Despite Wwanderer's insistence, I do believe that the majority of escorts out there do CFS (covered full service), despite protestations of going bareback for their favorite customers.
If a customer was a good customer to begin with, he wouldn't ask an escort to potentially endanger her life for him, and many escorts out there, especially high-priced indies, would likely agree that the fees generated from a so-called "good" customer would not cover the prohibitive costs of a lifetime's worth of protease inhibitors (AKA "the cocktail" which is the best weapon to manage HIV, though by no means remotely close to a cure).
For most people, a "GFE" involves deep frencg kissing (DFK) and a lot of the other stuff varies. Pamela is right that not everyone wants the same thing out of an escort. Though any half-intelligent escort will absolutely NOT procure drugs for a client or even take an appointment with someone using. It's too much risk legally.
"She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"
Ernest Hemingway on writer, aviation pioneer and horse trainer Beryl Markham
sorry about the confusion. I just meant covered or not is sex a given?
"You have demonic genius" -Naomi Wolf
"I very much resent it when people - maybe with good intentions or from a progressive point of view - keep telling me, 'It's their culture' ... It's like saying the culture of Massachusetts is burning witches." -Azar Nafisi




Since you are referring to something I posted in another thread, let me make sure that it is also clear here that I AGREE with you that the MAJORITY do indeed stick to CFS. My point was only that the MINORITY of escorts who will provide BBFS (intercourse without a condom), at least occasionally, is not extremely tiny or rare; my guess (and it really is a guess...very hard to have any actual data on such a thing, of course) is that it might be in the 10-20% range.Originally Posted by NinaDaisy
And, also to avoid the confusion that seems so easy to generate on this topic, I TOTALLY agree with ND, and pretty much all sensible people I'd think, that BBFS is too risky and a very bad idea for escorts and their customers too.
-Ww
"At this moment what more need we seek?
As the Truth eternally reveals itself,
This very place is the Lotus Land of Purity,
This very body is the Body of the Buddha."
- Zazen Wasan
Well written.Originally Posted by Wwanderer
I'm pretty certain that most escorts know that a few thousand dollars from a repeat client isn't worth the potential trouble going bareback would cause. I would venture that most high-end pros are actually more conscious about being safe than a lot of women out there (remember that drunken Spring Break romp?) since they need to take care of themselves to attract and maintain a higher-paying clientele. That and not dying of an awful disease.
"She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"
Ernest Hemingway on writer, aviation pioneer and horse trainer Beryl Markham




I really do not know what motivates the escorts who do offer BBFS to do so. Of course, some customers push for it, so maybe they think they have to do it to get enough business, but I have been offerred BBFS quite a few times, even repeatedly after I refused the first offer on two occasions that I can recall. I truly don't get it. I would hate to think that anyone would be heartless/evil enough to do BBFS because they know that they are already infected, although I have heard that explanation suggested by others.Originally Posted by NinaDaisy
That is definitely true, imo.most high-end pros are actually more conscious about being safe than a lot of women out there
My Spring Break romp was so long ago it seems like pre-history, even to me! But on the up side, we did not have to worry about HIV/AIDS back then, and the The Pill was very popular. And I had all of my hair and could go all night long and... <sigh>(remember that drunken Spring Break romp?)
-Ww
"At this moment what more need we seek?
As the Truth eternally reveals itself,
This very place is the Lotus Land of Purity,
This very body is the Body of the Buddha."
- Zazen Wasan
I would be curious as to the answer to this as well. I have known dancers who's regulars take them shopping, to dinner, on weekend trips etc. but I'm pretty sure most of the time if she is having sex with the guy it is because she likes him, or it is to keep him as a well paying cutomer.Originally Posted by LilSweetVixen
As far as agency escorts, I would love to know if it is just expectd for her to gratify the customer sexually. Sometimes those agencies advertize really low prices.
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!
The low prices can be one of two things. Either the market in the area is such that those are the prices that are supported, or what is pretty is common that low fee (the ones that are often less than $100, and especially in Las Vegas) will just get the escort to show up at your door. From there on there's a lot of negotiation typically over how much for what.Originally Posted by Paris
"She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"
Ernest Hemingway on writer, aviation pioneer and horse trainer Beryl Markham
Lol many agency's set low prices to under-cut other agency's, and this will start with a "new" company trying to bring in customers, repeats. It is not common (at least the agency i work for.) for the price to go up, when ads are run. Sometimes i mean too high for a west palm bch agency, (just what i think anyway) but again he does this to get quality ladies for one, yep $$$ talk for ladies who want to escort too. And to bring in a better/more higher end customers. One if you prices are set high, you're company looks better, so you better have ladies in all flavours working.
I have learned alot talking to a few other ladies, a better price does look appealing when you are located in a very nice part of the country, but then customers "expect" the better ladies to be working there. Nina's right. When a guy is screened and ready to go, the price goes up from there, depending on the lady.
And yes there will be agency's who advertise $300 an hour. I have seen them, you will still get some classy customers, but for that price, i will say you get what you pay for. Seriously, and damn yes....All the friggin guys STILL want some form of sex, even though i cater to the "other end" guys. To kiss a customer has got to be one of the worst things i can think about right now..Sad but true. Calls only start with how much for a brunette for 2 hours of her time, say. A price gets thrown at him, and he either takes it or not. Sure green eyes, 34b tits etc. But talk in a sexual manner no. And vice WONT make that call, they will pay a "service check" as the ladies call it.
Pamela
Last edited by Pamela; 02-11-2005 at 08:43 AM.




The term was "private viewing". I had thought that it was something a bit more risque sounding, but I am sure that is correct. And thanks for the reminder (by PM).Originally Posted by Wwanderer
-Ww
"At this moment what more need we seek?
As the Truth eternally reveals itself,
This very place is the Lotus Land of Purity,
This very body is the Body of the Buddha."
- Zazen Wasan


Originally Posted by mermaidnz
GFE=stupidy on the girl's part. it's b*job & intercourse w/o a condom.
nuff said.




Fwiiw, I have heard GFE used to mean so many different things that I think the term is effectively almost meaningless without further clarification/definition, but I don't recall ever before hearing it used to imply intercourse without a condom (BBFS). So, while I can easily imagine that that is what some people mean, it is not at all common in my experience.Originally Posted by lillirose
-Ww
"At this moment what more need we seek?
As the Truth eternally reveals itself,
This very place is the Lotus Land of Purity,
This very body is the Body of the Buddha."
- Zazen Wasan
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