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    Default This may be a good thing

    I say a good thing, because often E Boli dies out when the hosts die out.

    Of course, it is a bad thing for the hosts.

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    Default Re: This may be a good thing

    The problem is,this dipshit was having unprotected sex with many men.
    ``We're talking about a single case, but clearly the fact that we are dealing with such broad resistance of drugs and the rapid clinical progression is quite alarming,'' Valdiserri said.
    we are not talking about a single case.
    The case was diagnosed in a New Yorker in his mid-40s who reported multiple male sex partners and unprotected anal sex -- often while using the drug crystal methamphetamine.
    If this story is true,the gay community in New York is going to really feel this.

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    from Bloomberg ... "Trimeris (makers of the only effective drug against this strain) stock closed at $13.60, up 86 cents or 6.75 percent"

    As to your reference to this being a 'good thing', was that directed along the lines that this new strain will greatly reduce the amount of time that an AIDS patient will suffer before the disease finally claims his life ?

    Or, given that Bloomberg is primarily a business publication, is your reference to this being a 'good thing' directed towards a conclusion that the costs of treating AIDS patients infected with this new strain will be significantly lower, given that only 3-18 months of treatments will be involved versus 10+ years with older strains ? Given the $20,000 per patient price tag of treating the new strain with a single course of the one and only effective drug, it's still not going to be any bargain.

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    Default Re: This may be a good thing

    A person does have to wonder why a business publication would run a story like this.I think your 86 cents per share is a good explination.
    The drug company couldnt BUY a better ad in that paper,this is better then a full page with color.

    If this is true,alot of people are in seriouse trouble and could be infecting more people right now.
    Are any other news sources running a story about this new strain of HIV??

    I just dont see the Bloomy as the epicenter of HIV breaking information.

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    Default Re: This may be a good thing

    Official confirmation at

    Well, the Bloomy and NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg himself both have a big stake in this one. According to the stats some 88,000 out of 7.3 million or 1.2% of New Yorkers already have HIV/AIDS. If even 10% of those HIV/AIDS patients wind up needing treatment for the new strain, that's an extra unanticipated $176 million dollars added to New York City's MedicAid budget this year just for the costs of the drug Fuzeon !


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    Default Re: This may be a good thing

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    from Bloomberg ... "Trimeris (makers of the only effective drug against this strain) stock closed at $13.60, up 86 cents or 6.75 percent"
    hmmmmmmmm

    wonder if this will swing them back up to 50-80 bucks a share??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    How evil does a person have to be mentaly,emotionaly and spiritualy to say that a new strain of HIV is a good thing ????????????

    Revolting- really revolting.

    Puke - you people make me sick.
    I dont see anyone saying its a "good thing"????

    Over 350,000 Tremeris shares were sold on friday alone.Im sure the people who bought them think Tremeris having the only cure is a "good thing",i doubt anyone thinks a new strain of anything is a good thing,specially HIV.

    If you were an invester,and didnt mind blood money,wouldnt this be a "good thing"to you??

    I dont see any investers,and i dont see anyone saying its a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    Hmmmm- hate to point out the obvious but look at the thread title.
    ok so im a putz.

    I dunno,maybe he is an invester???

    he is gonna have to explain his meaning himself.

    I just didnt see the conversation turning towards implying "good thing"

    Im gonna shut up now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    How evil does a person have to be mentaly,emotionaly and spiritualy to say that a new strain of HIV is a good thing ????????????

    Revolting- really revolting.

    Puke - you people make me sick.
    As usual, only reading half the message.

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    Default Re: This may be a good thing

    Nope. Wrong.

    I read it all -- I just pointed out what I felt about you saying it was a "good thing"

    Nothing more--nothing less

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    More from Mayor Bloomberg courtesy of the NY Times ...

    (snip)"In 2003, a survey by New York City's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene found that more than half of city residents with multiple recent sexual partners had not been tested for H.I.V. in the previous 18 months, and 40 percent said that they had not used condoms the last time they had sex. At the time, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city health commissioner, attributed the results to "H.I.V. precaution burnout."

    Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg described the failure to take precautions against H.I.V. in stark terms yesterday. "It's just a sin in our society, where we know how it's transmitted from one person to another," he said, "and we should be able to get people to conduct themselves such that they don't catch it themselves, and certainly that they don't infect anybody else."

    Unsafe sex practices combined with growing resistance to medications among people with H.I.V., has had officials warning for years about a possible resurgence of AIDS, a fear voiced yesterday by many people across the country as they struggled to make sense of the news out of New York.

    Oliver Palan, 19, a gay student at Baruch College, said that he had slept with 10 men recently, and that none of them had wanted to use a condom. "So many people are like, 'It is so much more fun without the condom,' so they prefer to take the risk," he said, noting that he insists on using condoms. Often, he said, partners will try to dissuade him by saying, "I trust you, you should trust me."(snip)

    Not to get too far afield, but at a time where a Health Service Company has just fired employees who refused to take a test to prove they quit smoking on their own time in accordance with company policy, the law prevents the firing of gays or the denial of health benefits despite the fact that some 40% of NYC gays apparently have a death wish by continuing to wilfully engage in unprotected sex.
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    90% of the HIV+ population is heterosexuals
    Not in America it isn't ... check the CDC data. Your incorrect 'claim' is based on gay activist attempts to bury American facts about HIV/AIDS in a sea of worldwide data which is dominated by HIV/AIDS cases from African nations, where the disease is epidemic among all segments of the African population. But, nonwithstanding any political conclusion you're trying to incorrectly draw, in America the vast majority of diagnosed HIV/AIDS cases are among gay men. This is very understandable considering the acknowledgement of the need for safe sex practices by the vast majority of the US population, with blatantly unsafe promiscuous sex practices among some gay men (as publicized in the Times article) being the exception rather than the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    90% of the HIV+ population is heterosexuals.

    Heterosexuals have unsafe sex too, unsafe sex isn't limited to any one segment of humankind.
    It sounds like it would be the react before you think kind . I dont think people really put any value on life sometimes , nothing wrong with sex but damn its so easy to avoid a potential killer .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Not in America it isn't ... check the CDC data. Your incorrect 'claim' is based on gay activist attempts to bury American facts about HIV/AIDS in a sea of worldwide data which is dominated by HIV/AIDS cases from African nations, where the disease is epidemic among all segments of the African population. But, nonwithstanding any political conclusion you're trying to incorrectly draw, in America the vast majority of diagnosed HIV/AIDS cases are among gay men. This is very understandable considering the acknowledgement of the need for safe sex practices by the vast majority of the US population, with blatantly unsafe promiscuous sex practices among some gay men (as publicized in the Times article) being the exception rather than the rule.
    No one segment of the population has a corner on unsafe sex .


    Sex Diseases Rising in Over-45s
    Figures from the American Center for Disease Control (CDC) and the Health Protection Agency in the UK show that a consistently increasing number of older adults are being infected with STIs, particularly HIV/Aids, according to Dr Faryal Mahar and Dr Jackie Sherrard, of the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford.
    Their research is published in the British Menopause Society’s book, Sexual Health and the Menopause, published by the Royal Society of Medicine Press.
    The older patients often acquire infection through heterosexual contact



    The present: Facing skyrocketing rates of STDs
    Since 2003 there has been a sharp rise in STD infections, even in the United States .


    In 2003, the rate of new AIDS cases for black women was 20 times that of white women and five times greater than the infection rate for Latinas, according to a report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Black and Hispanic women accounted for 77 percent of all new AIDS infections in 1994. Nine years later, the rate was 85 percent, according to the agency.
    That same year, black and Hispanic women made up 83 percent of reported AIDS diagnoses among women, although they represent only 25 percent of all women, according to Fraser-Howze's New York-based commission. AIDS is among the three top causes of death for black women ages 35 to 44.
    In the District, black women represent 90 percent of women living with AIDS while making up only 62 percent of all women in the city, according to a report last year by the District's Health Department.
    Fraser-Howze said the number of health facilities in black communities is inadequate when compared with the growing size of the problem

    No one segment of the population has a corner on unsafe sex .
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    90% of the HIV+ population is heterosexuals
    Not in North America:

    Statistics by exposure category

    When a group comprising less than 10% of the total population contracts half of the diagnosed cases of AIDS, that's what's called statistically significant.

    Moreover, the vectoring of the disease is even more narrowed when ethnicity is entered into the equation; blacks account for 50% of AIDS cases in the US (page 6 of the CDC report), also statistically significant in the epidemiological analysis of the problem.

    The vociferousness of campaigns like ACT UP that have tried to inject fear into the broader population over AIDS is not only factually wrong, but seeks to deny the social and cultural conditions that aggravate the spread of the disease.

    AIDS is indeed an equal opportunity pathogen, but the fact remains that social and cultural norms of specific communities have severely skewed the populations infected.
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    so what these additional statistics are saying is that 'this may be a good thing' for republicans, since the vast majority of new AIDS cases are now developing among monolithic Democratic voting blocs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    When a group comprising less than 10% of the total population contracts half of the diagnosed cases of AIDS, that's what's called statistically significant.

    Moreover, the vectoring of the disease is even more narrowed when ethnicity is entered into the equation; blacks account for 50% of AIDS cases in the US (page 6 of the CDC report), also statistically significant in the epidemiological analysis of the problem.

    The vociferousness of campaigns like ACT UP that have tried to inject fear into the broader population over AIDS is not only factually wrong, but seeks to deny the social and cultural conditions that aggravate the spread of the disease.

    AIDS is indeed an equal opportunity pathogen, but the fact remains that social and cultural norms of specific communities have severely skewed the populations infected.
    Awsome post.
    I wonder if anyone wants to comment on these stats??

    What does it say to you???

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    I wonder if anyone wants to comment on these stats?? What does it say to you???
    I wouldn't touch that question with somebody else's 10 foot pole ! But that doesn't mean that I'm not sorely tempted to draw a couple of very basic logical conclusions ...


    So now it's a "good thing" if Dems get HIV ????
    I merely asked an "absurd" question, based on the fact that gays and blacks overwhelmingly vote democratic, and that the new statistics apparently show that gays and blacks comprise the vast majority of existing and new HIV/AIDS cases as well. No, it is NOT a good thing for any person to contract a fatal disease, or even a non-fatal disease.

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