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    Default Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU aiding and abetting terrorists ?

    (snip)"The House of Representatives Thursday finally acted on this finding from the 9/11-commission staff by overwhelmingly (261-161) approving an important border-security measure, the Real ID Act of 2005. The provisions of the bill, championed by Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, were originally included in the House version of last year's intelligence-reform bill, but were dropped after Senate objections.


    The measure would set standards for driver's licenses or other state identification documents to be accepted for federal purposes (like boarding an airplane); make it easier to deny terrorists asylum; and overcome environmentalist obstructions to completing the border fence south of San Diego.

    The American Civil Liberties Union was stridently opposed to the bill, which is a selling point for conservatives. On the other hand, a few voices on the Right also opposed the bill, such as the American Conservative Union and the Free Congress Foundation, based on unfounded fears that the bill is the leading edge of a move toward a centralized national ID card. But the bill merely sets minimum standards for driver's licenses, e.g., that states have to check the legal status of the applicants, that the expiration date of the license should coincide with the visa expiration date of a visitor who obtains a license, and that licenses should be modernized to make them more secure. Insofar as they represent national-security and immigration-control functions that are within the legitimate ambit of the federal government, it is not overreaching for the feds to set minimal requirements. Even Phyllis Schlafly, who yields to no one in her suspicion of the federal bureaucracy, approves of the bill. "(snip)


    Besides the security issues, if this bill becomes law it should go a long way towards tightening border security, towards kicking illegal aliens off the public dole etc. The best part is that many California democrats can actually get what they want i.e. revitalizing prop 187, and be able to blame republicans in Washington for it instead of taking heat from the California liberal fringe !

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    Default Re: Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU helping terrorists ?

    Hopefully this is only the beginning of a new attitude in border control. There is so much more to be done.
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    Default Re: Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU helping terrorists ?

    Well first of all the National Review in general isn't worth even using as toliet paper- but anywho.....

    So now the ACLU are terrorist eh ?

    WHATEVER !

    Wait- I get it now ! ANYONE who doesn't kiss Bush's ass is now considered a terrorist.


    Conservatives buying into this kind of bullshit need to wake the fuck up and stop allowing themselves to be brainswashed by a bullshit TABLOID such as Nation Review.

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    Default Re: Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU helping terrorists ?

    I dont see a problem with a national ID drivers lic.

    Why is everyone opposed??

    This will solve alot of problems.

    Tracking down dead beat dads for one.
    Drunk drivers who lose permits in one state for to many DWI's,moving to another and getting one is another.

    I have no problem showing my ID before i get on a plane,its comforting that the guy behind me is also showing his.
    Who would have a problem with this??

    R or D,whoever came up with the idea,its a good idea in my book.

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    Default Re: Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU helping terrorists ?

    Well the that's not all that was passed on border security- that's the problem. I suppose people who don't pay attention to what's really going on in their government wouldn't know that though....

    Personaly , I like alot of what was presented and passed on Border Security last week- BUT I do oppose some of the things that were slipped in.

    I wanted the amendments that the Dems from NY and Ca (I think it was Ca. anyway) requested to be passed. There was some language that needed to be changed about immigration and I'm not crazy about having no acountabilty for that 5 miles of fence that needs to be built.


    My earlier comments were more about Melonie trying to call the ACLU terrorist supporters- which (imo) is an absurd thing for her to imply.

    Ofcourse one of the biggest threats to our national security is STILL being ignored by Bush and Co. and that is import container screening.

    90% of the shipping containers in ports (which people are smuggled in along with alot of other things) are not screened or checked. Bush and Co still refuse to do anything about this problem however and many conservatives who support Bush refuse to even acknowledge that this HUGE risk is even there.

    I mean seriously why would a terrorist try to use an airport or go through border patrol when they can just ship themselves or weapons in shipping containers that have a 90% probabilty of not being checked even once by the US.
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    Default Re: Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU helping terrorists ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    Ofcourse one of the biggest threats to our national security is STILL being ignored by Bush and Co. and that is import container screening.

    90% of the shipping containers in ports (which people are smuggled in along with alot of other things) are not screened or checked. Bush and Co still refuse to do anything about this problem however and many conservatives who support Bush refuse to even acknowledge that this HUGE risk is even there.
    Oh we sooooooooo agree!!!!
    But its been an issue for the last 20 years,Bush's inherreted the problem,so did clinton.
    The manpower alone that would be needed to check them is staggering,because the number of containers comming in every day is in the millions.
    It also has alot of other strings attached to the issue.
    When we didnt buy american,all the chit we use is now made overseas.
    The cost of everything just went up!

    Its a bad circle,would love to hear a sensible solution.

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    Default Re: Showdown has finally arrived ... ACLU helping terrorists ?

    on that- yes we agree.

    And yes manpower is an issue but technology has advanced quite a bit in the last 10 years so ALOT less manpower is needed than before.

    It's the biggest threat we have and it gets the least amount of attention by the current GOP leaders. It makes zero sense and is one of the key elements on why I don't think any of this "War on Terror" is really about protecting the US. If Bush wanted to make the US safer he should be doing more about the ports. But he isn't and the "War on Terror" isn't really about keeping the US safe either- but that's another discussion I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I dont see a problem with a national ID drivers lic.

    Why is everyone opposed??

    This will solve alot of problems.

    Tracking down dead beat dads for one.
    Drunk drivers who lose permits in one state for to many DWI's,moving to another and getting one is another.

    I have no problem showing my ID before i get on a plane,its comforting that the guy behind me is also showing his.
    Who would have a problem with this??

    R or D,whoever came up with the idea,its a good idea in my book.
    If you don't mind the curtailing of your right to travel (or perhaps it is becoming more of a priviledge granted to you by the state?)

    If you don't mind the idea of "showing your papers" at various check points (machine gun guarded airports are the beginning you know.)

    If you don't mind living in a Soviet style country - I suppose it is OK.

    If you don't mind the country slipping into a police state - I suppose it is OK.

    If you want to walk the cliff of "unintended uses of the law" you are welcome to.

    Myself, I think the government has grown to big, is not upholding the laws it has to begin with, and is slowly spiralling out of control of the electoralship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    If you don't mind the curtailing of your right to travel (or perhaps it is becoming more of a priviledge granted to you by the state?)
    I dont see it restricting travel at all,its just taking a accurate headcount before boarding a higher risk travel mode.
    I dont think Taxi's,city busses and metro's is whats being talked about and isnt in the works.
    I think this is just about planes,trains,and ships.
    I got no problem with an ID card needed to board.

    If someone has reason to hide,then dont get on those modes of travel.Easy.
    If you don't mind the idea of "showing your papers" at various check points (machine gun guarded airports are the beginning you know.)
    You show your papers already,when pulled by a cop,at the bank,to get in to secure areas,etc.
    I was even ok with machine guns at airports,we were just attacked by planes,makes sense imo.
    If you don't mind living in a Soviet style country - I suppose it is OK.
    We already carry ID and drivers ID,how is a federal drivers ID going to toss us into stalenism??
    I just think this is extream paranoia.

    If you want to walk the cliff of "unintended uses of the law" you are welcome to.
    has there been a new law that wasnt abused somehow??
    It might have a few bugs,but most new ones do.
    Myself, I think the government has grown to big, is not upholding the laws it has to begin with, and is slowly spiralling out of control of the electoralship.
    Maybe this could be considered a good step in the direction of upholding the laws.It could help identify and hold accountable,the people breaking the laws.

    i just fail to see the difference between the state giving you your ID and the federal government issuing it.
    You gotta carry one,doesnt matter who gives it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    If you don't mind the curtailing of your right to travel (or perhaps it is becoming more of a priviledge granted to you by the state?)

    If you don't mind the idea of "showing your papers" at various check points (machine gun guarded airports are the beginning you know.)

    If you don't mind living in a Soviet style country - I suppose it is OK.

    If you don't mind the country slipping into a police state - I suppose it is OK.

    If you want to walk the cliff of "unintended uses of the law" you are welcome to.

    Myself, I think the government has grown to big, is not upholding the laws it has to begin with, and is slowly spiralling out of control of the electoralship.
    Thats exactly right ! Here the US government is complaining about the lack of rights in Muslim countries, yet after 9/11 Americans citizens are losing our rights almost on a daily basis. The sad thing is most Americans aren't even aware of the changes or are too afraid to speak out for fear of being called unpatriotic !
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    What rights have you and I as americans lost???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    What rights have you and I as americans lost???
    The right to privacy for starters..The 4th Amendment has been reinterpreted so now we can be stopped,searched and /or detained with out probable cause. ALL credit card transaction are now monitored. In layman's terms everytime you swipe your credit or debit card the government knows about it. I could go on but I will attach a link for those who are truly interested
    in the liberties that were lost.
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