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    Hi! I'm a Newbie writing to you from Spain.
    I have been recently offered a job at a table dancing club and I'm seriously considering it. It's the usual type with the second dance topless, and naked booth dances. The money sounds pretty good and I think it will offer a whole new experience to me. However, I decided to do some research on the net and came across a really scary webpage with a survey on strip dancing which can be found here http://www.ccv.org/images/Strip_club..._and_study.PDF
    Obviously I was horrified by how much harsher the stripping world is than I originally believed. I am a smart and totally realistic girl, and realise you have to be thick skinned and level-headed to enter the stripping world, but what that webpage revealed has made me very wary. Please could I have some realistic feedback on what a job like this entails. I realise it all varies from place to place, but just general hints will be of great use. Are your bad experiences really as bad as that website portrays??

    Many, many thanx

    La Pelirroja

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    K, I didn't read the entire document yet, (great link btw, thanks!), but I saw the data on abuse, and I can't agree. Now, I have had my share of trouble in the 9 years I have been dancing, but that's to be expected. Nothing happens frequently though, except for maybe guys touching my hands or legs. Guys will try to do more, like try to grab my butt or attempt to brush against my nipples with their faces while I am dancing, but I have to be faster than them. It does vary from place to place, and I admit, I have never danced outside of Arizona, so I don't know what you should expect in Spain. Overall, I don't think it's that bad. There are many discussions on this board addressing abuse in the clubs and rudeness on the part of customers, maybe you can find some information in those threads as well. Good luck!

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    I think Ive read that before.....alof of things are going to be thrown out there. Many things wrong and some things that are just pure negative opinion; both wrong.

    The best way to find out about a SC is to visit..get some dances, bring some guys and get them dances too to see what kind of dances there are.
    Like I said somewhere else...the level of contact will vary by your location. Like, for instance here in SD low contact if none at all and top on during dances along with 6 foot rule on stage.
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    Your experience is going to be very different depending on where you dance. I've only ever worked in Canada. But I have found stripping to be fun, exciting and empowering. It is key to know what your boundaries are and maintain them, don't do things you aren't comfortable with, even if other girls in the club are. Like any job, stripping has it's own unique pros and cons....reading this board should help you get an idea of what to expect.


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    I just read that article...and wow, that is such BS. It says that the "study" was based on the experiences of 18 women. 18 women out of all the strippers in the world, and they think they can make such sweeping generalisations? Give me a break! The entire thing is written in definitive statements, meant to apply to all dancers, which immediately nullifies all credibility in my mind. I'm not sure what city this was based in, but I'm sure that has alot to do with the "results", not to mention how obviously biased these people were from the beginning. You have to question any "study" that paints an entirely negative picture of something. If stripping were so terrible and all women who stripped were really treated as horribly as that article made it seem, do you really think that stripperweb would exist, or that any of the women on here would strip? Sure the experiences in that article reflect some women's realities, and that is really sad...but for the most part it seems these people are just trying to demonize and marginalize the industry and turn the women in it into victims. Sounds like the work of anti-sex feminists to me. What are the credentials of the moron who wrote this shit anyway? Don't beleive her over what intelligent, empowered women who actually work in the industry have to say about their own experiences. Many anti-sex work feminists (and right-wing conservatives etc. etc.) will try to tell you that women who work in strip clubs can't give an accurate portrayl of their own experiences because they have been so brainwashed by their "pimps" and crooked managemnt, this is a load of crap also, don't listen.

    This may have been my favourite part:
    "Lap dancing requires the woman to straddle the man’s lap and grind against him until he
    ejaculates in his pants. A variation involves the woman dancing between his legs while he slides down
    in his chair so that the dancer’s thighs are rubbing his crotch as she moves."

    Right.....uhm, nope. No ejaculating in his pants...sorry guys.

    If you want a different take, PM me your email address and I'll send you a paper I wrote for my intro to feminism class about my experiences as a stripper...


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    Ignore the negative portrayal and take into account that there are many half-truths and exaggerations. A LOT of the facts are true depending on where you work, but that doesn't mean it's not a good experience. You could take 18 college girls and you would have much worse data about abuse and assault, the work load, alchohol, fees, etc plus you would have figures on eating disorders, depression, etc. But that doesn't mean that depending on where you go to college you won't have a good experience. It's about finding out for yourself by trying. You can always quit.

    I just left a club where they made me sell too much shit, and I was tired of the fees, so I just left. It was as simple as that. I made some money, and left . But my first club where I worked I LOVED and can't wait to go back once school lets out.

    I can assure you though that I haven't had the same experience of the abuse as these women. I usually feel safer at the SC than I do in life because of the security and cameras. With the amount of money those guys walk in there with maybe THEY should be worried. I've never been called a slur, I've never been attacked or stalked. The most annoying thing for me is when they AREN'T paying attention .

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    Whew! Thanks for the GREAT laugh. I don't know much about what goes on in Spain, but I'd advise NOT "bopping a customer in the face with your pubic area," as the article describes a couch dance. Funny stuff.

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    yeah I don't even know what that means! And the wall dance where you clean their fingers with alchohol and stand on the wall as they finger you??? That'll be the day.

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    I just read that. Should've looked at the responses first, cause it kinda scared me. What exactly is bed and couch dancing? I've seen clubs with it and I'm sure it's not wha that article says. Also, some of that dance stuff they were describing is prostitution, especially the wall dance, isn't it?

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    Ummm.... no.

    Not at all. Shit does happen, but that blew it a bit out of proportion.

    And NO! I DO NOT carry alcohol swabs to clean customers' before they finger me!



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    Well, the *study* was done by the "Citizens for Community Values" - A name that screams "biased" to me to begin with!

    EDIT: They have a link called "Help Strippers Leave the Industry! LMAO!
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    HAHAHA I read the first two paragraphs and, shaking my head, I must disagree with everything. What a biased study!

    The real studies you should pay attention to are the ones that tell all sides of the story. There's always something good and something bad in everything, even helping poor 3rd world country kids!

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    What a laugh! I ahve worked in some God-ful places (including 2 different peep show chains) and NONE of them were as bad as this! (Some places are; there is one near my home, do not EVER think of dancing in Arnie's Idle Hour on Sibley Blvd, in Harvey, Illinois. I have never, ever been abused at work. OF course, I did not know that having a customer ask politely if I am ever available for "more" outside the club or having an over zealous customer attempt to touch my boobs constituted ABUSE! Obnoxious, yes, but ABUSIVE???!!!

    And in 18 years, I have never once had anybody attempt to pimp me out or in any other way recruit me into prostitution. I am also not addiced to drugs, nor have I had any owner, manager, etc attempt to get me involved in them.

    There are a number of things wrong in this study, IMO. The first is, it is too small. THe second is, it is sponsored by an organization who clearly has an agenda of some sort. ALso, the definition of abuse is rather broad. is being grabbed by the arm really abuseive? Peopel grab each other by the arm all the time in loud enviornments. Besides that, the author of the study is too close to the material in a personal way. If I ma not mistaken, I believe she admits that she drew on her own experiences for the study and her own contacts in order to find participants for her survey. My guess is that she was in one of these hell-holes she describes, and the other dancers she interviewed were all friends or contacts from there. she may have even INTENTONALLY chosen dancers whom she knew were abused. Nothing wrong with that, butit would ahve been a different type of study, such as "The Effects of Abuse on Dancers" of "COrelation of Abusive Management Relations with Dancers Enterting Prostitution" or the like.

    She has no business pretending her small survey of the dregs of the strip world is representative of the whole scene.

    I didn't get to finish the article, but I did get a kick out of the line about how dancing takes over every aspect of your life. Tell that to my husband, for whom I bake fresh bread and prepare meals from scratch, my son whom I regualry accompany to the park and bake cookies with, or my neighbors, who think I am a typical suburban housewife!

    It is sad that some women have these experiences, but Believe me, MOST do not!


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