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    The Council of Conservative Citizens is an extreme political organization promoting the interests of white Americans. It has been called a racist hate group by the , SPLC, and , among others.



    • Founded:
    • Headquarters:
    • Leader: Gordon Lee Baum
    • Publication: The Citizens Informer (circulation of 20,000)
    • Background: Established by former activists in the segregationist White Citizens' Councils
    • Ideology: , white separatism
    • Outreach: Mass mailings, prison newsletter
    • Approach: The group advances its ideology by inflaming fears and resentments, among southern whites particularly, with regard to black-on-white crime, non-white immigration, attacks on the public display of the , and other issues related to "traditional" Southern culture and .
    • Connections: Several mainstream figures have spoken at or attended CCC meetings. They include: Governor , Former Senate Majority Leader , Senator , and former governors Guy Hunt of and of Mississippi.
    • Extremist associations: David Duke, Mark Cotterill, Chris Temple

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    So promoting interests of white Americans is inherently racist?
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    yes and here's why:

    The white supremacy movement considers white people to be superior to people of other (and of mixed) and/or . In the United States white supremacy is sometimes linked to , but many Christians denounce the movement as fundamentally non-Christian. Some white supremacists consider violence to be a legitimate way to further their cause. White supremacy groups are usually led by men.



    White supremacist groups can be found in most countries with a significant white population, including the , , parts of Latin America, and . However, in all of these places, their views represent a small minority of the population, and active membership of the groups is quite small. White supremacists make many claims about the intellectual, ethical and spiritual inferiority of blacks, , Hispanics, Asians and .

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    Personally, I would say that any group that promotes white, black, Oriental, etc., interests over other interests is inherently racist or ethnicist or whatever.

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    Personally, I would say that any group that promotes white, black, Oriental, etc., interests over other interests is inherently racist or ethnicist or whatever.
    Careful, Jay, you're calling the NAACP a racist organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Careful, Jay, you're calling the NAACP a racist organization.
    I have sometimes thought about applying for a NAACP scholarship or the like and seeing what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Careful, Jay, you're calling the NAACP a racist organization.
    To the extent that the NAACP pushes preferences based solely on race, yes, I agree - that's the definition of racism.

    To the extent that they seek to advance disadvantaged people to an equivalent footing with others for opportunity, I disagree. That is egalitarianism.

    The distinction is tough to draw sometimes.

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    Tigerlily,
    I went to the web site of the outfit you mentioned and had the urge to wash my monitor when I left. Those assholes are died in the wool (robe w/hood) bigots and racists who even deny the existince of racism as a word.

    There is a somewhat legitimate question in CO's as to what falls under the rubric of racism. It has to be conduct and policies advocated rather than "promoting the interests" of to make a group racist otherwise LaRaza, NAACP, the Sons of Italy, and the Ancient Order of Hibernians are all racist. Your standard appears too loose to be of practical value.
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    This is an interesting topic, and somewhat timely for me, since my girlfriend is takinga class about the problems blacks have encountered since the Civil War here, and in South Africa as well. A large part of the curriculum is devoted to reparations. Since my girlfriend is pretty much Libertarian, if anything, and a big fan of Ayn Rand, this is anethema to her.

    I'm not just rambling, here ("now hold on jest a minute, there Josepher or whatever yer derned name is"), as this is a tricky issue with no easy solution.

    White supremacist groups are pretty scary and disgusting, by and large. And having spent a fair amount of time, more than I would have preferred actually, with white trash types, I've seen quite enough of the rebel flag, and what generally comes with it. Jesse Helms is much more frightening to me than Jesse Jackson, though this might not be the case if blacks held real socio/economic power, which they don't by comparison--not yet, anyways.

    Just for laughs, here's an interesting website:

    http://www.jessehelmscenter.org/index.asp

    Yet the Affirmative Action programs and admission and hiring quotas are unquestionably fueling the fire with these whacko groups, which make about as much sense as the Black Panther movement of the 60's did, and with a lot less justification. Reparations seem like a really bad idea, and would be sure to incite groups like this CCC to no end.

    There has to be a way to counteract the gross inequality of opportunity available to children (especially) in inner cities, without provoking more of this shit...

    There is no easy solution to the undeniable conditions of racial inequality extant in the US.
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    Melonie -- the topic is this Conservative Neo Nazi goup. Please keep to the topic or start a thread of your own
    This is exactly the reason that I steered the post back to the issue of 'whites rights' groups. Unfortunately, I do not automatically accept your implied liberal premise that all 'whites rights' groups and political parties are Neo-Nazi by definition - nor would Jean LePen or Pym Fortuyn ... despite pronouncements by the NAACP to the contrary (pronouncements intended to invoke hate speech laws and thus silence American 'whites rights' groups from spreading politically incorrect ideas while the NAACP is of course free to continue to spread politically correct 'black rights' ideas).

    As I was saying earlier, the 'whites rights' groups currently on the rise in Europe are garnering support from white Europeans who are seeing their own political and economic status threatened by throngs of non-white immigrants who are by and large consuming public resources primarily paid for by white Europeans, who are not making an effort to assimilate into traditional Western European culture, and who as a result are threatening to permanently change the Western European culture into something different (i.e. lowering the perceived quality of life for white Europeans in the process). All of these factors are also on the rise in many regions of America.

    One could also make the argument that informal, unorganized, and unspoken 'whites rights' concepts underlie the recent support for GWB, the Governator etc. at the ballot box.

    Please don't misjudge my position on this issue. I am not advocating that the NAACP or any other advocacy group is out of line in promoting their particular policies and ideas. I am only pointing out that ALL advocacy groups should be given the opportunity to promote their particular policies and ideas on an equal basis, and allow people to make their own decisions as to whether those policies and ideas are worthwhile or abhorrent, or totally brain damaged. But I am pointing out that in this specific case the NAACP, via it's pronouncement that a particular American 'whites rights' group is automatically a hate mongering Neo-Nazi organization, is clearly trying to legally obstruct the ability of that 'whites rights' group to air its policies and ideas on an equal basis.

    And the first half of it is EXTREEMLY bigoted
    Hey, I was only making the case that I have just as much right from an ethnic origin standpoint to be holding a Colorado State Professor's chair in Native American Studies as Ward Churchill does - more since I wouldn't lie about my 1/16th Native American geneology on the job application ! But I do agree that this was off-topic (well perhaps not, given the Colorado State ethnic origin requirement denying equal opportunity to pursue this Professor's chair to qualified whites who don't lie about their actual ethnic origin on their job application).

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    Melonie,

    Your population estimates are only off by more than 33 years according to the Census projections in
    Of course an Ultimate Master Baiter would throw out ...

    with the current demographic trends regarding birth rates of white children versus black and hispanic children, plus immigration rates of whites versus blacks and hispanics, by the time that Hilary Clinton leaves office as president in 2017 it's very probable that whites will be a minority in America - and a virtual certainty that whites will be a minority in Blue states !
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    http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinte...projtab01a.pdf
    The projected population in 2050 is still 50.1% excl-Hispanic white. 33 years is a generation, not an administration and your implications are built on the assumption that a 3-4-5-6th generation person whose ancestors were born in a particular region of the globe will act different than anyone else. Your own statement of personal ancestry disputes your premise that the origins of ancestors matters.

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    Ah, it could have been a nice discussion. What's with the flame-baiting pride?
    We all imagine ourselves the agents of our destiny, capable of determining our own fate. But have we truly any choice in when we rise, or when we fall, or does a force larger than ourselves bid us our direction. Is it evolution that takes us by the hand, does Science point our way, or is it God who intervenes keeping us safe.

    So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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