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    We have a few members who think that gay people should ALL be banned from marriage because of the health insurance cost involved in treating people who are hiv+

    I present this info :
    Today, HIV/AIDS is regarded as the leading cause of death for black women between the ages of 25 to 34, according to the Center for Disease Control Web site. African American women constitute 20 times the number of AIDS cases as white women, and combined with Latino women encompass 85 percent of all newly-contracted HIV infections (The Wilmington Journal, Feb.12)

    I ask those who want to exclude ALL gays from marriage for the reason stated in the first paragraph, if they also want to exclude latino or black womenin addition to gays ?

    I pose the question because black women are the newest segment of society to be deeply affected by hiv. If we start banning any group that has a high risk rate and the groups at risk continue to evolve and change (which is a fact -it has and will again- tis the nature of a disease like hiv) where will it end- will no one be legaly able to marry in the end ?

    I want to make it clear that I do not support banning any of these people mentioned here from marriage.

    I also strongly suggest that if it was truely hiv and healthcare costs that was the driving force behind the desire to ban people from marriage that they would NOT limit it to ONLY gays. That is , as I am sure most people can see for themselves, discrimination.

    if it's not -- then what is it?

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    Hmm- still no responce from the main person here who argues that all gays should be banned from marriage because of hiv risk rates. Guess she's afraid of people being able to see what's really behind her arguement

    Come on now , do tell us why ONLY gays and why ALL gays and why not ANY other high risk groups EVER ?

    Why just gays and NO ONE else considering other segments of the population are now more likely to contract these disease and new cases are skyrocketing in other segments of the population (actually the US is just catching up to the rest of the world where 90% of hiv+ people are HETEROSEXUAL)

    And why is wanting to ban ONLY and ALL gays and no other group ever- how is that not discrimination ? If it is not discrimination then what pray tell is it ?

    And if your arguemnt is so logical then why aren't Bush and mainstream Repubs using it ? Could it be because it's bullshit ?

    If there are so many facts to support your position then why isn't anyone else using it ?

    If it's so logical then those who like you also oppose equal rights would be preaching it on every news station and newspaper-- but they are not , gee why ? Maybe because it is a bigot's theory ? If it's not that , then why ?
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    The govenrment shouldn't be involved in marriage at all and the only reason why it is had to do with interracial marriage back in the 1800s(you had to get permission to marry interracially which extended to all marriages eventually)

    Secondly, if people paid for their own healthcare, it wouldn't be an issue.

    Thirdly, does HIV cause aids?



    After a year on this topic, I don't think it does.

    * Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry: Dr. Kary Mullis

    "If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document." (Sunday Times (London) 28 nov. 1993)

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    * Dr. Harry Rubin, Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of California at Berkeley: Prof. Harry Rubin

    "It is not proven that AIDS is caused by HIV infection, nor is it proven that it plays no role whatever in the syndrome." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

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    * Dr. Charles Thomas, former Professor of Biochemistry, Harvard and John Hopkins Universities:

    "The HIV-causes-AIDS dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on young men and women of the Western world." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

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    [QUOTE=Sh0t]The govenrment shouldn't be involved in marriage at all and the only reason why it is had to do with interracial marriage back in the 1800s(you had to get permission to marry interracially which extended to all marriages eventually)

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    Right on ! So ShOt tell me do you think that banning all gays from marriage because of higher risk rates is logical or bigoted ? Somehow I think you'll say no on the logical part -- based on your previous post but I'd rather let you speak for yourself

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    Logical depending on what goal? Sure it is bigoted and statist.

    Assuming we want to be statist and bigoted, I still don't see how preventing gays from marrying would stop HIV from spreading. It seems to me people who are married tend to have less random sex, so letting gays marry might help PREVENT hiv from spreading.

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    I hesitate to respond to your incendiary and baiting post because I do not want to see this thread locked in the same way as the thread on the NAACP response to a 'whites rights' group. Obviously nothing that I could say would affect your opinion anyhow, and based on past election results nothing that you could say would affect the will of the majority or registered voters in regard to the issue of gay marriage.

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    I think the NAACP is a front for the KKK

    Any minorty group that promotes a higher minimum wage is evil

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    Why not just answer the question Melonie ? Why ONLY gays and NEVER any other risk group EVER, just gays and only gays no matter what other segment of society may be at higher risk or higher transmission rates at any particular time. WHY ONLY GAYS?

    How is that not discrimination?

    btw people didn't vote in those 11 states because of hiv- hiv and marriage rights has never been connected for public discussion- why is that? Why is it that no one who like you opposes equal rights for gays has used publicly used your theory ? If it is logical and without flaw then why ?

    If wanting to ban gays and only gays is not discrimination and bigotry against gays then why is not and what is it anyway ?

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    No baiting means no baiting for everyone.

    Tigerlilly, Melonie has responded to these statistics and this argument before (from me, in fact). If you look back through those threads, I think you'll see that she's already been very clear and thorough in explaining her opinion.

    Lena



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