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    Ladies, I know this is an almost impossible number to determine, as so many dancers are ""off the record", but does anyone have any idea how many girls are currently dancing in the US? How many clubs are there? General approximations are fine. Where would I find this info out? I've always wondered about our numbers, they're much beiger than people might expect - and right now am doing some writing on the subject, so I wanted to have some statistics to back up my points. Anyone, ideas, directions, guestimates?
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    Do you want statistics, or just a bunch of guesses from people on a message board? If the latter, then great, but it won't have any real value.

    It would be impossible to nail down the number of clubs in the U.S., let alone the number of dancers in the country, especially when you consider that so many either work very rarely or are in the business for a short time. Your best shot would be to try to get the numbers for a few major cities, I think, probably those who license their dancers, like Vegas, Houston, or Atlanta.

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    Default Re: statistics needed - how many strippers in US?

    I've heard the number 300,000 strippers in the US give or take twenty or thirty thousand. I can't remember where I heard the figure, but I believe that it was something like the exotic dancer / gentlemen's club convention in Vegas.


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    Default Re: statistics needed - how many strippers in US?

    and what about girls that just do private parties

    impossible to determine

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    plus there are probably illegal immigrants dancing on the borders


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    Default Re: statistics needed - how many strippers in US?

    Quote Originally Posted by dancerlala
    Ladies, I know this is an almost impossible number to determine, as so many dancers are ""off the record", but does anyone have any idea how many girls are currently dancing in the US? How many clubs are there? General approximations are fine. Where would I find this info out? I've always wondered about our numbers, they're much bigger than people might expect - and right now am doing some writing on the subject, so I wanted to have some statistics to back up my points. Anyone, ideas, directions, guestimates?
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    It might be an impossible number to determine, but an informed guess is better than no guess. Why not set out a calculation here and ask for comments on it.

    I'll start the ball rolling. There was once a debate on a British chat group as to the number of dancers working in London. Consensus was that it was 300 - 400 working in pubs, clubs and other venues. The population of London is 2001 was 7.1 million, giving 42 - 56 dancers per million of population.

    The UK population is currently just under 60 million, which would give about 2,500 to 3,350 dancers working in the UK. This data is obviously a guesstimate, but it feels in the right area to me.

    I'll extend this to the US by assuming there are roughly the same number of dancers per million of population. US population is currently 295 million, which would give 12,400 - 16,500 dancers.

    If a number of dancers send in estimates for varying American town and cities, etc., you might be able to come up with a better estimate than I have. The starting point must however be the data - anyone going to volunteer any estimates for their area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    I've heard the number 300,000 strippers in the US give or take twenty or thirty thousand. I can't remember where I heard the figure, but I believe that it was something like the exotic dancer / gentlemen's club convention in Vegas.
    US population is 295 million, of which half will be women. Lets say dancers are typically between 20 - 35 years old and that 25% of women fall into this age band. This gives about 37 million women as potential dancers. If your estimate of 300,000 is correct then 1 woman in 123 of those aged between 20 - 35 is a dancer.

    This figure seems distinctly high to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    US population is 295 million, of which half will be women. Lets say dancers are typically between 20 - 35 years old and that 25% of women fall into this age band. This gives about 37 million women as potential dancers. If your estimate of 300,000 is correct then 1 woman in 123 of those aged between 20 - 35 is a dancer.

    This figure seems distinctly high to me.

    Phil W.
    Maybe, but I think there are definitely more than 15,000. I think there might be that many between NYC and Las Vegas alone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Maybe, but I think there are definitely more than 15,000. I think there might be that many between NYC and Las Vegas alone.
    So what are your estimates for the number of dancers working Lost Wages and NYC.

    Populations, (if you wish to work out the number of dancers per million of population), are:

    Las Vegas: 478,000
    NYC: 8.1 million.

    There are general population statistics on http://www.census.gov/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    So what are your estimates for the number of dancers working Lost Wages and NYC.

    Populations, (if you wish to work out the number of dancers per million of population), are:

    Las Vegas: 478,000
    NYC: 8.1 million.

    There are general population statistics on http://www.census.gov/

    Phil W.
    Honestly, I don't have any estimates.

    Nor do I think it can be determined as a percentage of total population. Obviously in some places the percentage of women who are strippers is higher than others.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    So what are your estimates for the number of dancers working Lost Wages and NYC.

    Populations, (if you wish to work out the number of dancers per million of population), are:

    Las Vegas: 478,000
    NYC: 8.1 million.

    There are general population statistics on http://www.census.gov/

    Phil W.
    I can't speak for NYC, but with respect to Vegas, a LOT of the dancers you see in attendance there come in from out of state to work conventions or other busy periods. Due to the fly by night nature of the dancers there, there is simply no way to even get a ballpark estimate of their numbers.

    Also your populations for both cities seem to be "city proper" and not the population of the metropolitan area. Triple your figures in both cases would be more accurate.
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    Phil,
    Great reply. I remember reading about the types of questions Jeff Bezos asks when doing an interview to hire a new employee. He asks the potential employee "how many gas stations are in the U.S.?" to find out how they reason for the correct answer. Basically, you are supposed to figure out how many gas stations are in your town. Then, figure out how many people are in the town you live in. This gives the ratio of gas stations per population. Then, you figure out how many gas stations per 200 million and you should have an approx number of gas stations in the U.S.

    Dancerlala, of course finding out how many dancers are in the U.S. is a little more challenging - that is a given. However, I don't think it is impossible to get an approximate number. I mean it is impossible to know how many people have a particular disease/overweight/suffer from schizophrenia, but we do have some estimates to go by. It has been a while since I had statistics, but if I really wanted to know I would freshen up an all those fun statistics equations or if I won't a more reliable source, I would just hire a college student who is majoring in mathematics (one that tutors). College kids love doing fun stuff like this and you may find that you get some really cool charts to go with the research

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    Thank you all, great suggestions, I may find a stat/math major, I'd think it'd be a fun project for them. It's simply impossible to guesstimate, as everyone's #s here have varied widely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptmaker
    Phil,
    Great reply. I remember reading about the types of questions Jeff Bezos asks when doing an interview to hire a new employee. He asks the potential employee "how many gas stations are in the U.S.?" to find out how they reason for the correct answer. Basically, you are supposed to figure out how many gas stations are in your town. Then, figure out how many people are in the town you live in. This gives the ratio of gas stations per population. Then, you figure out how many gas stations per 200 million and you should have an approx number of gas stations in the U.S.

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    120,902 in 2002 according to the economic census, probably fewer today. This is not the number of places selling gas, but is "gas stations".
    http://www.census.gov/prod/ec02/ec0244i14t.pdf Mr Bezos would rather play mind games than get an accurate number. If he asked his accountant how many books they sold and got an answer constructed like this he would fire them on the spot.

    As for dancers, one could go to stripclub list and take all the clubs * avg. number of dancers for that club, times an adjustment factor for shifts and be not to far off in percentage terms or a reasonable range. Figure a range of adjustments (like high school--show your work for partial credit). Since there is a database (I bet) an email to the sysop would send it all in one file.

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    We did this thread just a month ago:
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44281

    In any case, it is NOT 'impossible' to determine how many clubs there are in the US.
    Simply do a search through online phone books, go to SC club web sites, etc. There
    are plenty of web sites... Exotic Dancer magazine would be a good resource etc.

    As for the number of dancers, I stand by my posts from the other thread... I'll
    quote myself here:
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    You'd be surprised what stats you can get from the US government. Odds are that they
    have someone who's entire job is to study this issue. If they can find the time to worry
    about the size of the holes in swiss cheese or how to define a pickle...
    Anyway, try the Department of Labor or Commerce Dept. (Census Bureau is part of that).
    First step is to figure out the SOC code (Standard Occupational Classification) as defined by
    the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics)... could it be 27-2031 (Dancers) or 27-2090
    (Miscellaneous entertainers and performers) or perhaps 39-9090 (Miscellaneous Personal
    Care and Service Workers) ? These classifications are pretty clumsy... in the real
    world elevator operators, coat check persons, ushers, bell hops, airship pilots, switch board
    operators, bootblacks, gas lamp lighters, slot key holders, and buggy drivers are vastly
    outnumbered by strippers, but do we get a seperate SOC ? LOL
    BTW, I just remembered that Canada has NOC codes (National Occupational Codes)...
    are we under "circus performers, magicians, models, puppeteers and other performers not elsewhere classified." (They are employed by circuses, nightclubs, theatre, advertising and other production companies or may be self-employed.) If so, it's NOC 5232... But I guess not.
    Note that "Buskers entertain passers-by on sidewalks and in parks with magic tricks, juggling acts, short dramatic works, music and other entertaining displays." No, not us.
    How about 5134 (Dancers): "Dancers are employed by ballet and dance companies, television and film productions and night clubs and similar establishments." So our duty is to: "Perform dances as soloists or as members of groups before live audiences, etc." Anyway, if there is
    a classification for it, chances are there are statistics for it too.
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    The government collects or estimates these numbers for you! They are the 'obvious' resource...
    use them!
    As for "Jeff Bezos' interview question": this kind of multiplication estimation has many pitfalls...
    I would have told him "I'll just ask the Dept. of Energy or search a CD-ROM of the national
    yellow pages or call the oil companies", etc. and get you an EXACT number. Not a stupid
    this times that average stuff answer. So who would Bezos hire?

    Bottom line: It's lame to say it's "impossible" to get a good stat on dancers/strippers/
    entertainers at some snap-shot point in time... it is simply a lack of imagination and
    resourcefulness... not a lack of information.

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    Well I think Phil's original esimate is on the very low side. There are 300 girls employed at my club alone, in Phoenix. There are about 30 clubs in Phoenix and of course, many girls work at more than one club. There are at least 1000 dancers in Phoenix and the surrounding cities. Most clubs here have at least 100 girls employed. And that's just for a population of approximately 2 million. I'm sure Vegas and NYC have more than us.

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    Monty,
    I guess I failed to mention that when he asks A. He knows the answer and B. When it is worked out like this, potential empolyees get the answer or get very close to the number. And, C. If an accountant can't keep track of the widgets (books) you've sold, then absolutely, he should be fired on the spot (aren't accounting and statistics different).

    Dancerlala, please post how it goes - would love to read the paper when it is finished as well as the numbers you come up with and how you got them.
    Good luck.

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    The UK population is currently just under 60 million, which would give about 2,500 to 3,350 dancers working in the UK. This data is obviously a guesstimate, but it feels in the right area to me.
    There are more exotic dancers than that within a 30 mile radius of New York City alone!


    As far as attempts to use IRS stats, you've got to be kidding ! While we SW girls are probably included in the IRS statistics, I can pretty much guarantee you that any data depending on dancers willingly filing tax returns in order to be included in the official stats is going to be skewed right off the chart if you catch my drift.

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    800,000 and they make up a considerable amount of the higher paid jobs in the u.s. -cnn
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