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    Default I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    Hi, everybody. I hope you can help me out here. (If you can read my typing that is! )

    I work in 2 clubs. One is simply a neighborhood bar that is competing with Scores across the street by having a 24/7 lap dance show. I am a top money earner in that club, consistently, in spite of the fact that there is no stage, no DJ, no VIP, etc. Jut lap dances, one after another, right at the bar. We dance to the jukebox. I use a very fast hustle and a combination of Brian Tracy sales techniques. In short, I combine a very good back rub (free sample) with leading yes questions and simple requests, and at the end of the song durimg which I give the back rub, I ask, "Did you like that?" The answere is invariably YES, which leads to a dance or jsut a tip for the backrub. No problerm there!

    I like the way this club works. The customers are mostly blue-collar guys, like the family I came from, so we get along great. Also, I got my start doing lingerie fashion shows in the Chicago area (they were basically a raffle, where we sold tickets for drawings and the guys coudl win a "door prize" of some sort for participating) which was a really easy 2-minute huistle.

    The other club is more of a typical SC. There is a stage with chairs around it (rarely occupied), VIP rooms, and a DJ. We do NOT have table dances, if a custy wants a dance he ahs to plunk down at least $20 and then get up and go to a VIP booth. IMO, the $20 and $30 touchless dances are pointless, both financaly for me and in terms of entertainment for the customer. I am a high-miliage dancer, and I really perfer to give the $50/3 songs full nude/full contact bump & grind. Those are the dances I try to sell.


    I make NO money in this club. Most of my tips are the result of a tip walk after each set. I realize my dancing and figure both need improvement, but there are girls of all types in this club, and they ALL make more money than I do, even the ones who can't dance and have no sales instinct whatsoever. I have been thinking about this for a while, and I have decided that I actually have 4 problems. Maybe you guys can help me with these:

    1) This seems to be a slow-hustle club--Most of the other girls sit on their asses with the customers and bull shit with them for a good 30 minutes before getting them in the VIP room. I am getting better at small talk, but this really grates on my patience. I feel like jsut asking, "Are you going to give me the friggin' money or not?"

    Can anybody help me with this elongated hustle? Or am I jsut better off to keep it short? My instinct is that if they are not goung to buy from me in 15 minutes, I might as well forget it. When I do make a sale here, it is usually in 15 minutes or less.

    2) I do not really understand the crowd. I grew up around blue collar white guys, and I am also good with professional types. Most of the customers in this club (near Gary Indiana) are gangsta-types of all races. I don't even understand the slang, much less anything that woudl help me sell dances. I am so pathetic, that when a girl asked me for a "square" I gave her a baby wipe! In related news, I can't hear them over the speakers half the time, and I come home hoarse from yelling over the music. also, the music they like in this club does NOTHING for me. I just don't feel it.

    Can any on enlighten me? What do I need to know about these guys to sell them?

    3) this 3rd problem might only be solved by changing clubs, which I don't want to do until I get the rest of my issues ironed out. But... I am the oldest girl in the club! I am 36 years old and working in a juice club.

    Anybody have any ideas how I can play my age to my advantage?

    4) Apparently there have been some recent changes in law enforcement, and the clubs in this area used to be pretty wild. Now they are very strict. At least 1 out of 3 customers wants to bitch about the fact that we have no booze, the dancers have to wear pasties, or we can't give BJ's in the VIP rooms. I don't know what to say to this, except "I don't make the rules, I jsut get fired if I break them!" Most guys seem to accept this, but it is not getting me any sales. I woudl think these guys are just whiners who are not going to spend anyway, but then they go off to VIP with another girl. So I think it must be me, right?

    Thanks to anybody who read down this far. I hope you guy can help me out. And if anybody wants to know the spescicics on my 5-minute backrub hustle, let me know!

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    Colleen, it seems like your personnality and your style simply does not mesh with this club. I dont know why you would you would want to stay there. Would'nt you rather work in an atmosphere that you enjoy and that is lucrative for you?

    But if you really want to stay there I suggest sitting down with these guys and find out what they are about; the slang you will get used to, and if you dont understand simply tell them so. Most of them will be pleased to let you in on it. My experience with the gangsta type is that they like to be admired and feel important. Compliment their clothes; they usually take great pride in their appearance. But keep it 5-10 minutes maximum. Make them feel like they have control and cut in to the chase.

    You're an experienced woman; tell them so and play up on it. Be yourself!

    PS: You say you cant hear the over the music.... get closer to them, that could'nt hurt!! And that you're voice is hoarse after your shift.... Before you speak, breathe in and send the air in your belly (your diaphragm) and then speak. This will help your voice to be heard over the music and to feel better at the end of the night.

    Here's a website with a few pointers on voice work: http://www.metrospeakers.org/voicetraining.shtml
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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    What is a "square", anyway?

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    If I work two clubs where I do spectacular at one and crappy at another, I quickly drop the one I do crappy at and stick to the one I do well at full time. It's nice to learn new sales techniques, but I'm of the opinion that we've pretty much settled into a style once we reach our thirties, and should make the best use of that. I've worked all kinds of clubs and learned to do well in most, but I do best and feel most comfy in high hustle fast-paced clubs where the sales pitch is short. So I'd rather spend my time and energy in that type of club instead of those where you have to sit around alot trying to sell a vip.

    Even in clubs where there's both, I will still wind up just hustling lots of dances and leaving the vip to other girls. I can make just as much as the vip girls (sometimes more) so I see no reason to change.

    Maximize your time girl! Stick to what works best for you and don't worry about trying to make it work at the other club!

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    A square is actually a cigarette. Also, you should probably look into another club because you're right, why are you working at a juice bar if you don't have to be. Juice bar clubs are known for bringing in the under 21 crowd who are there to spend their lunch money and the gangsta's who don't know how to tip (I've never done well with those types and tend to stay away in the rare instances they enter my club because, quite frankly, they're rude.). Also, you mentioned that you are thirty-six and the oldest girl at your club. I work at an upscale gown club where the average girls age is about 26-32. This is the kind of place you might want to think of working. You'll make more money at these places doing less work even getting tipped to just talk to them because you are older and have more to say than an 18 or 19 year old girl. Mostly white collar guys and some blue collar guys come to these types of places so you won't have to put up with all the "bullshit". I think you've got the right approach not sitting with the guy for a half hour with no pay, I mean it kind of defeats the purpose and at most clubs the other dancers would complain if someone was guilty of doing so (at least I hope they would, I wouldn't want anyone cheapening my time like that!). At this point it sounds like you don't have too much to lose by changing clubs and your problems will probably end up "ironing them selves out" on their own when you do.

    I would also like to mention that I work at a place that requires pasties and has some pretty strict rules but serves alcohol and the guys usually have no problem spending $$$, it all about the quality of men that enter the club.

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    Thanks for the advice, everybody. Sorry, Thorn, I am not fron NJ. I wish I was--those sound like great clubs.

    I work at the second club because my potential for making money is severely limited in the first one (as top earner I pull down about $200 a night, and can only work 4 nights a week) and this particular club is VERY clean and the girls are very well portected. Also, they hired me on the recommendation of a friend, no stage experience. So I am learning to dance on stage and work the pole. This is definitely a starter club for me. I have it in the back of my haed that I might make it through the summer (busy season there because it is in a resort town) and then will try to go to Scores or one of the smaller clubs in downtown Chicago. Actaully the mamager of the Admiral suggested that I go audition at Scores, but I am too chicken at the moment. I am going to go in there this week and see what it is about.

    I did change my approach. I wore a long silver gown and did my hair in a rather sophisticated style and danced to my OWN music (classic rock) music. As you suggested, Celeste, I took the attitude that I am older and WISER than the babies I work with, and wouldn't you know it, I sold VIPs to all middle-aged white guys! I actaully even got my first champaign room. I also didn't dick around with them for a lot of time. If I couldn't think of anything to say to them, or if they were not buying, I asked for a tip for my stage set and took off. Spent a lot of time fixing my hair, etc. in the back just to be out of their sight, but it worked. I went back to one guy for about 5 minutes 3 times, jsut because he was there for so long, and I finally did sell him a dance. (Maybe he jsut wanted to get rid of me! )

    A square in this case was a cigarette. NOt a joint, just a regular old Newport.

    So my plan of action now is, to keep improving my skulls (dancing AND hustling) as well as check out some other clubs. Who knows? There may be a good high-hustle club in the same area, where i can be happier all summer.

    Thanks everybody!

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    I always thought that a "square" was a bar of Xanax. What do I know??? I guess you learn something new every day!

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Depends. If you are from Florida it is a joint. I would bet that the dancers mentioned by Colleen either worked in Fla or were from there. That would explain the use of the slang.
    LMAO thorn, I've lived in fl my whole life and i have never heard a joint called a square. I'm over 30 and a pot smoker too. a square is a cig no matter where you are from!

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    OMFG I'm going to faint. thorn admitted not knowing something!!!!

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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    1. Those young bloods like companionship unless they're really drunk, high, or horny. Hence the long hustle. You're in the zone if they talk about their serious problems.

    2. Find middle ground between your personality and the culture of the club. For example with music: r&b, other types of rap, reggae, a really erotic slow song of any genre and collaborations.

    3. BOOTY. nuff said.

    4. Play off the fact that you're culturally different + see #3. It's all about the cultural flip-flop. You said you like to bump and grind? Well that combo, a middle american white girl who can really work it (see #3), could be your golden ticket.

    "You have demonic genius" -Naomi Wolf
    "I very much resent it when people - maybe with good intentions or from a progressive point of view - keep telling me, 'It's their culture' ... It's like saying the culture of Massachusetts is burning witches." -Azar Nafisi


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    Default Re: I must be doing something very, very wrong . . .

    I agree with bigblueeyes, if you can possibly find a diff club, then staying there isn't worth the stress, esp if those girls aren't making that much in the first place.

    "You have demonic genius" -Naomi Wolf
    "I very much resent it when people - maybe with good intentions or from a progressive point of view - keep telling me, 'It's their culture' ... It's like saying the culture of Massachusetts is burning witches." -Azar Nafisi


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