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    In my area, people don't tip anywhere because they are either cheap or don't know any better. I know I'll never get a tip from a cheap customer. I've actually had ones refuse after buying multiple champagnes. The customers who don't know any better get confused and pull out an extra $1.

    Gee, thanks. I think I'll go out and buy a stamp. (This is a bad attitude BTW.)

    What is a tasteful way of asking for a tip and asking for a reasonable amount?

    Also, on stage, I am rarely tipped more than $1 unless people from out of town are there. They tip between $2-$5, and on occasion, $20. How can I get more from locals assuming my stage tease is good?

    The dancers at my club say that customers don't tip. I believe that the ones who don't know the etiquette would if asked properly.
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    Id say you can tip me $5 (or what ever you think depending on price of dances where u r) or more if you think Im worth it.Make sure you have sexy smile on your face , standing close caressing his hand or what ever you can touch and nodding your head so that he feels compelled to say yes.

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    i have this problem too... I want to ask for tips, but I also want to be subtle and not appear greedy, you know? It's very rare for me to be tipped after dances,champagnes, etc - because I do not ask.

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    In my opinion, there is no good way for the person providing the service to ask for a tip. Think about the people you tip. What about the waitress at the restaurant? How would you feel if when she left the check she said, "now don't forget to tip me"?

    The way to handle this is to get the rest of the staff involved. What about the DJ? Is he reminding the customers to tip you on stage? A good DJ should do this regularly and do it in a good natured way without becoming annoying. Also don't forget, people that don't go to clubs alot may not even know that you don't make a salary. They may honestly believe the club is paying you to dance and those tips are just extra money for you. I assume you girls tip the DJ, mention it to him. If he does a good job, then tip him more.

    As far as champagne rooms and stuff like that. Usually, the customer has to arrange this with a waitress/host or manager. That's the perfect time for that person to bring it up. As the customer is paying for the room, there is no reason the waitress/host can't say something like, "a lot of gentlemen like to tip the lady at the end to let her know they had a good time". Also, the customer may think that you are getting all or a large part of the CR fee. So the CR host can say something like, "the $100 goes to the club for the use of the room which is why many customers will tip their dancer at the end to thank her for her time". Then If the customer tips you, you can act all surprised and express thanks for how generous he is. Of course, if you enlist help from the other staff, be sure and tip them to show your thanks.

    Of course I know that there are clubs where all the customers are just very tight and none of this will work. But if the club is attracting a lot of customers that don't want to spend any money, that is a different problem altogether. Generally speaking, I think the way to get more money out of men is to make them feel like big spenders, not to make them feel cheap.
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    I think anyone asking for a tip shows a lack of class and taste. I can tell you in any situation that if someone ASKED me for a tip, not only would they get an earful, but they would never see another dollar from me ever again. Tipping (or rather asking for tips) in the United States has gotten way out of hand. This is relatively a new trend which is a growing issue IMHO. I've even seen a tip jar hanging outside the drive thru window of a local restaraunt I used to enjoy eating at. How obnoxious is that? In my opinion, when you get a tip, whether it be $1 or $100, be grateful for it. It certainly wasn't necessary for anyone to give it to you and tips are meant to be a token for providing extra quality service, not because it's an obligation. Asking for a customer to give you one crosses the line for me. From a customer's standpoint, they pay you for a dance...THAT is your tip. You are providing a service for him and he is compensating you for it. If you do an outstanding job, he will be more likely to buy more from you. If you do a sub-par job or are unable to continue to sell, then don't expect repeat business. If you do get tipped, awesome! That's a wonderful complement from a customer. To expect it as being obligitory though is not only unprofessional, it's rude in my book. And this is coming from someone who is an extremely large tipper everywhere I go.

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    I agree DW but, what can you do? Tell us with your infinate wisdom on how to get these guys tipping.

    I don't mean in the back. If I'm getting a dance hell I'm happy. But if I'm onstage and all the guys are dancing around and happy, then I feel like I am right in "calling" one of them to the stage to get a tip.

    I have danced for years, but I think I've lost me hustle, LOL.

    I'm not trying to sound bitchy if that's how it came out, but really DW how? I know your class is supposta be awesome but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

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    If you are going to be motivating in this way, it's the subtleties that you should focus on, not blatantly beating them over the head about it. I mean, think of how a food server does it? Let's say you go to a fine restaraunt with someone and you get good service...maybe even above average service, and then the food server comes over to you, drops off the bill, and says, "Thanks for coming, and be sure to leave me a nice tip." How would you react? My belief is that suddenly your experience of the evening would have taken an immediate nosedive and you would have left a much lesser tip than you would have if they didn't say it, correct? Now, in the restaraunt industry, tipping in this country is considered normal, but for dancers in a club? Not really. Why? Because the dynamic is different. When I go to IHOP, I'm paying for my food, for the environment of the restaraunt, for the quality of the food, etc. The food server has nothing to do with any of those things other than enhancing the experience of eating there. As a result, as a customer, I know that it's my expectation to take care of him or her for their going above and beyond their job duties which are basically to make sure my drink glass is full and my food arrives on my table in a reasonable amount of time.

    With a dancer, you are paying HER for HER service of dancing for you, just as I'm paying IHOP for my Rooty Tootie breakfast. So why should I tip IHOP for providing me a place to eat over and above the cost of my breakfast? The same logic is used by customers when spending time with a dancer. It's kind of double jeopardy. So my suggestion is to be extremely subtle about it. Don't ask for a tip AFTER the service has been done. There is an old saying in sales, "The value of a service deminishes quickly after the service has been rendered." so asking for it after the fact is a bad idea. Rather, just plant the seed about it before any service is started. When your customer agrees to buy a dance or two, or ten from you, just plant the seed. Say to him, "You are going to have the most amazing time imaginable. It will be $20 a dance and tipping is appreciated but not necessary." This is a polite and nice way to ask but not beat him over the head with it. If you want to make more money in tips, use this method and you'll see results.

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    Thank God you were online today, LOL. I get that part and I do do that.

    I was more asking about stage tipping instead of in the back. Usually on weekends we have an influx of the younger "party crowd". So for the most part, stage is where most of your money will be.

    So do you have any ideas to get those guys up off their booties to the stage?

    Thanks DW!

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    DW and Destiny, what great ideas! I'm going to try the "tipping is appreciated but not necessary" approach first. The last thing I want to do is embarrass or insult a customer.

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    Get the customers involved in your stage show. If there are guys around the stage touch there chest/shoulders as a part of your show. Single one out and give him special treatment. Flip your hair in his lap. Only undress in front of him. Get the other guys watching what you're doing for him. Put your legs on his shoulders and hold out your garter.They will usually start to tip. I don't think just asking for tips on stage will work. Although after a ld, champagnes giving a hug and asking 'would you like to tip me?' has worked for me.

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    I will never, ever ask for tips from a customer who I want to do repeat business from. It's just extremely rude, as many people have already mentioned.

    However, if I dance for someone who is a complete asshole and I wouldn't want to deal with them again, then I will ask for a tip.
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    From stage it's rather easy. It's all about the subtle hints or what is called a "call to action", not the abrasive asking for money. When you are dancing seductively for a customer sitting at, or near the stage you should make very stong eye contact with them. Then you can use a subtle hint such as, "you KNOW that move was worth a small tip." You should say it with a seductive smile on your face and emphasize the word "know". The other technique, a call to action, can be used effectively by planting the seed and then returning for the reward. In our class I teach a technique called a Direct Link. In the class we go into detail with this and many other skills, but I'll give you a way this will work for you in this situation.

    A direct link is used to make a connection between two separate things to help build up to a close later. It usually follows a pattern of "When you do X, then Y will be the result." In the case of getting your customers to tip more on stage, it should sound like this, "The moment you see me dance up on stage for you some more is the moment you will want to take care of me while I'm up there." I wouldn't go announcing this over the microphone, but saying this quietly to a few customers at a time will get them to start tipping more. Also, don't say this to one guy, then go say it to the guy sitting next to him and so on, otherwise it's going to sound really phony when someone hears you doing it over and over again. Douglas MacArthur once said, "A tactic known is a tactic blown" so be aware of that. This system works well too when you want to motivate a customer to keep spending on you when you have to go on stage. Let's say you are just on the verge of closing a sale for some dances and you have to dart up on stage. Just say to your customer, "The moment you see me up there on stage will be the moment you'll know you want to buy some dances from me when I return." Not only does this heavily subconsciously plant the seed for the sale, and virtually close it, but it will also make your customer most likely turn away other dancers who approach him as he'll be anticipating your return. Direct Links are a very powerful tool to make people take action the way you want them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Destiny nailed this one. You can't do anything. That is precisely the job of management, with unobtrusive signs that say that tipping is appreciated and the DJ with on mike reminders, again unobtrusively.
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    I have to agree with everything everybody said here, but in my club, they do have the sinage, the DJ does encourage guys to come to the stage....all that. And then they sit on their asses and expect a free show. Once they get up to the stage, the will tip--the problem is getting them there! Some nights, the crowd is so unenthusiatic, the DJ has to tell them to applaud--repeatedly! Any more ideas? ( I do want to learn fire-eating and sword swallowing--maybe that will perk them up some!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen
    Once they get up to the stage, the will tip--the problem is getting them there! Some nights, the crowd is so unenthusiatic, the DJ has to tell them to applaud--repeatedly!
    I see this happen a lot. Does anyone ever notice that the hardest tip for a dancer to get on stage seems to be the first one? After that first tip, other customers not willing to be outdone, will sometimes start ponying up as well.
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    When I worked in Binghamton and only got $10 from a $20 dance, I would usually say something like "the dance is $20, and most of the gentlemen tip if they enjoy themselves" when making the sales pitch. if it's a couple or single woman, switch 'the gentlemen' with 'our patrons' or something.

    Now, just to note, some will forget between walking into the dance area and finishing the dance, and ask you at the end "what do I owe ya?" or "what's the damage?" just say again "it comes to $40 [or whatever price] and tipping is appreciated if you enjoyed yourself." [even this is stretching it :-/)
    Always make it fun and flirty. Don't hold out your hand for money. Unless the guy askes "what is a good tip?" then don't name a dollar amount.

    With champagne rooms and such, it is the host's job to attend to this. A good host question should go "the room is $200/half hour, how much time would you like to purchase?"
    customer: "Half an hour, please."
    host: "Excellent, that'll be $200, and do you perfer to tip the dancer before the show or afterwards?"
    (I don't know how your club does these, for us the customer pays upfront to the club, and signs in a credit card tip, or the waitress politely suggests it if he pays cash.)
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    Thank God for this thread I was starting to feel like a loser case I dont ask for tips. Al lot of the girls do and make maybe 40$ off of that but I just think it's rude.

    I was a waitress, my salary sucked, and I had to run like a maniac for a 2$ tip. As a dancer, getting 10$ for 3 and a half minutes seems enough of a salary for me.

    But tip is always nice, even more when it's not expected! (or asked for in a bellman manner!!)
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    Celeste, I switched clubs because the club structure was rotten for customers. Dances cost $20, dancer keeps $10, most of my coworkers asked for $20 tips upfront. Customer buys one dance, then no more because it's now "too expensive" or they didn't like being pestered for tips. We once had four guys come in for a birthday party, friend sends birthday boy off for a dance, paying the dancer. However, the dancer demanded a $20 tip before she'd dance for him AFTER taking him to the VIP area. None of the other guys in that group bought dances after that. Thanks other dancers! >.<
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    Lizette, I looked at your other post, I'd say when you sell rooms say "it's $-- to the house and $--- to the dancer." The house is whatever the normal cost is, and then the other part is your tip. That way, it is worked into the sales pitch, the guy give it to you upfront, and you don't make less money than you would on the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrescentLuna
    Lizette, I looked at your other post, I'd say when you sell rooms say "it's $-- to the house and $--- to the dancer." The house is whatever the normal cost is, and then the other part is your tip. That way, it is worked into the sales pitch, the guy give it to you upfront, and you don't make less money than you would on the floor.
    I wouldn't feel right adding gratuity without letting customers know that it's a gratuity and not mandatory.

    Though, I can use this method to let customers know my cut without sounding like a pouty, ungrateful brat. And then he can decided later if he wants to tip me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrescentLuna
    Celeste, I switched clubs because the club structure was rotten for customers. Dances cost $20, dancer keeps $10, most of my coworkers asked for $20 tips upfront. Customer buys one dance, then no more because it's now "too expensive" or they didn't like being pestered for tips. We once had four guys come in for a birthday party, friend sends birthday boy off for a dance, paying the dancer. However, the dancer demanded a $20 tip before she'd dance for him AFTER taking him to the VIP area. None of the other guys in that group bought dances after that. Thanks other dancers! >.<
    Wow. That's just wrong. One fun thing about tipping people, whether you are in a restaurant or taking a cab, is that it makes you feel important because it's your choice to brighten someone's day. Demanding tips takes away the customer's enjoyment of tipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    I wouldn't feel right adding gratuity without letting customers know that it's a gratuity and not mandatory.
    I agree. I don't like this approach because it:

    1. Sounds tacky;
    2. Is practically a scam as you are lying to the customer about the prices;
    3. Hurts you indirectly when the customer finds out you lied to him;
    4. Hurts the other dancers when customers finds out the lie because they start thinking they are getting scammed.

    Personally, I think the honest approach is the best way to go. I know it sucks when your club takes a high percentage of your sales, but you can either go to another club that doesn't do that or just learn how to sell more dances and not have to worry about asking for tips or lying about the prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrescentLuna
    Celeste, I switched clubs because the club structure was rotten for customers. >.<
    Crescent, I'm in Montreal and in my neck of the woods we keep all the money for the dances. House fee is 10$ (if you're on time) and DJ is 5$ and thats it!!
    So I dont see the point of asking for tips. The girls that ask usually say: "That'll be 40$. .... Hey where's my tip?!" I find that rude, tacky and unrespectful. Custys have budgets too, they work hard for their money, just like us. And we should respect that. Some girls don't seem to get that.
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    You're right Celeste, and even having extra expenses such as giving a percentage to the club is no excuse in my book. It's like I said earlier though, imagine going into your favorite restaraunt and then having your food server badger you for a tip. Most likely you'd never eat there again or perhaps tell the restaraunt manager about the incident to have the food server fired. Keep in mind, they have to tip out their bussing staff and such too so they don't get to keep everything that's given to them. Heck, my father is a blackjack dealer here in Las Vegas. Unlike many tipping industries, they actually have taxes taken out of their tips before they ever get them. Can you imagine him saying to a customer, "Hey, can you guys tip me a little better? Much of my tips go to the government so I don't get to keep it all. A bigger tip would be appreciated!" The management of the casino would have him out on his ass before you could blink your eyes.

    Tips should be given voluntarily and happily by the customers. If you aren't getting any, work harder to earn them, not lay guilt trips on the customer to get them. This only makes sales worse for you in the long run not to mention for the other dancers and the club itelf.

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    Just be appreciative that tipping is part of your culture. Here in Australia, tipping has never been part of the culture. Oh yeah... except for the drink waitresses might get "loose change" from customers.

    I usually do not ask for a tip. Tho' I do every so often include the "tipping is appreciated yet not mandatory" line esp. if I have to give a percentage to the club... or even.. prior to doing the dance.. I will say "If you tip me now.. I will make it worth your while" This is how I strive to make more on the standard min. $50 (10 min) dance at my home club.

    Usually I do not ask tho' ... yet say Thank You and give the customer a hug/kiss when they do.


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