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    Man Can Sue Woman For Sperm Theft Distress

    Feb 24, 2005 10:03 am US/Central
    CHICAGO (AP) A woman accused of using her lover's sperm to impregnate herself without his knowledge can be held liable for the unwitting father's emotional pain, the Illinois Appellate Court has ruled.

    In the ruling released Wednesday, a three-judge panel reinstated part of a lawsuit against Sharon Irons, a doctor from Olympia Fields. The ruling sends the case back to Cook County Circuit Court.

    Irons was sued by her former lover, Chicago family physician Richard O. Phillips, who accused her of a "calculated, profound personal betrayal" of him after a brief affair they had six years ago.

    Phillips alleges that he and Irons, who practices internal medicine, never had intercourse during their four-month affair, although they did have oral sex three times.

    His suit contends that Irons, without his knowledge, kept some of his semen and used it to impregnate herself.

    The relationship ended when Phillips learned Irons had lied to him about being recently divorced and was, in fact, still married to another doctor, according to court documents.

    Nearly two years later, Irons slapped Phillips with a paternity suit. DNA tests showed Phillips was indeed the father, court papers state.

    Phillips was ordered to pay about $800 a month in child support, said Irons' attorney, Enrico Mirabelli.

    Phillips then sued Irons, claiming her actions robbed him of sleep and caused him to have trouble eating. He is haunted by "feelings of being trapped in a nightmare," court papers state.

    Irons responded that her alleged actions weren't "truly extreme and outrageous" and that Phillips' pain wasn't bad enough to merit a lawsuit. The circuit court agreed and dismissed Phillips' suit in 2003.

    But the higher court ruled that, if Phillips' story is true, Irons "deceitfully engaged in sexual acts, which no reasonable person would expect could result in pregnancy, to use plaintiff's sperm in an unorthodox, unanticipated manner yielding extreme consequences."

    But the judges agreed with the lower court's decision to dismiss fraud and theft claims against Irons.

    They agreed with Irons' lawyers that she didn't steal the sperm.

    "She asserts that when plaintiff 'delivered' his sperm, it was a gift -- an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a donee," the decision said. "There was no agreement that the original deposit would be returned upon request." ...

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    Bizarre case.

    If the said Sharon Irons took Richard O. Phillips' sperm without his knowledge, and impregnated herself, also without his knowledge, it's difficult to see how he could be considered responsible for her pregnancy.

    It's a bit like a car thief stealing my car and knocking someone down. I would not expect to be sued on the grounds that the car was not in my possession at the time.

    On that basis it's difficult to see why the courts ruled that Iron's use of the sperm was not theft and fraud.

    What's also strange is that both sides seem not to be disputing the essential facts - that Iron's took Philips's sperm and used it in the manner described.

    Only in America....

    Phil W.

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    I mostly liked the gift part:
    "She asserts that when plaintiff 'delivered' his sperm, it was a gift -- an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a donee," the decision said. "There was no agreement that the original deposit would be returned upon request."

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    This is soooooooooooo crazy!!!!!!
    Lolol
    I agree,only in America do you now gotta ask,"spit" ,"swallow",or "save till later"


    Does this poor guy still gotta pay child support???
    Talk about forced childbirth without consent!!!!

    soooooo
    soooooo
    crazy!!!!

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    I say the woman was quite deceitful saving and using his sperm without his knowledge... but, that's what happens when you lie to your wife and mistress at the same time.
    Please don't lick me, it tickles..



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    I agree that he shouldn't have to pay child support... but I think it's pretty cool that she used his sperm.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    but I think it's pretty cool that she used his sperm.
    How is that kewl at all???

    Im shocked its not criminal in some way and im shocked you think its "cool".

    I know you have a hard time seeing my point,your a female and this could never happen to you.You will always know if you have a kid.

    Dont you think men have the right to at least know if they have a kid??

    Men have no choice in abortion,thats sad.
    Now you think its kewl they have no choice to have kids or not??
    Very sketchy imo!

    He got a few blowjobs from this "lady",thats all.

    Why would a guy wear a friggin condom if the woman can legally pull it out of the trashcan after he falls asleep and impreggers herself?

    I sure hope this doesnt turn into a "fad".
    Maybe men deserve it for not kissing females after a blowjob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I know you have a hard time seeing my point,your a female and this could never happen to you.You will always know if you have a kid.
    If it didn't come out of my body, if I didn't know about it, if I didn't put thought and energy and choice into it, it wouldn't be my kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Dont you think men have the right to at least know if they have a kid??
    If they don't know about it, if they didn't put thought and energy and choice into it, how is it their kid? Because it has their genes? IMO, that doesn't constitute parenthood.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Why would a guy wear a friggin condom if the woman can legally pull it out of the trashcan after he falls asleep and impreggers herself?
    FWIW, I'm pretty sure she can't. Sperm is pretty delicate and dies pretty fast outside of a host. She was either very very creative about "stealing" his sperm, or he in some way consented to her preserving it.

    I'm aware that you and I have very different definitions of being a parent, and we probably aren't going to agree. But now you know what I think.

    Lena



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    If it didn't come out of my body, if I didn't know about it, if I didn't put thought and energy and choice into it, it wouldn't be my kid.
    whoooooaaaaaaaaa nelly!!!
    Your giving those pieces of shit,dead beat dads, a way out,a get out of jail free card.
    I can almost see them on court TV now......
    "I just fucked her after a night at the bar your honor,i didnt know she got preggers,i didnt put any thought or energy into it and given the choice,i would have chosen she didnt get preggers and have a kid,it wasnt my choice mr. judge"

    By agreeing with this crazy story and thinking its "cool"your opening a terrible "Out" for the deadbeats out there IMO.


    If they don't know about it, if they didn't put thought and energy and choice into it, how is it their kid? Because it has their genes? IMO, that doesn't constitute parenthood.
    Yes it does.
    Its all in the genes.
    They dont lie.
    If you have a child,under whatever god you subscribe too,your responsible for that child,planned or not,known or not.

    It seems he did make a choice though,he opted for the hummers and not intercourse.Most times,that eliminates the chance of preggers.

    so men thought.



    I'm aware that you and I have very different definitions of being a parent, and we probably aren't going to agree. But now you know what I think.

    Lena
    I disagree on the grounds of post i have read from you,we have many of the same definitions of parenting,mine are just sometimes over protective and extream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    whoooooaaaaaaaaa nelly!!!
    Your giving those pieces of shit,dead beat dads, a way out,a get out of jail free card.
    I can almost see them on court TV now......
    "I just fucked her after a night at the bar your honor,i didnt know she got preggers,i didnt put any thought or energy into it and given the choice,i would have chosen she didnt get preggers and have a kid,it wasnt my choice mr. judge"

    By agreeing with this crazy story and thinking its "cool"your opening a terrible "Out" for the deadbeats out there IMO.
    Yep, that's how I see it. Say you have a one night stand with a girl you never see again. She gets pregnant, she chooses to have a child. Her responsibility.

    Now, say that she called you and said, hey, I'm pregnant, do you want to be a daddy? and you say yes. She chooses to have a child based partially on your participation. Your responsibility (by half).

    Or... say your in a relationship, and the woman gets pregnant. You two decide you want to have a family, and then after six months, three years, whatever, it doesn't work out. Your responsibility (half).

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I disagree on the grounds of post i have read from you,we have many of the same definitions of parenting,mine are just sometimes over protective and extream.
    Not parenting, parenthood and what constitutes it.

    Lena



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    Does anyone know how the hell this chic managed a do-it-yourself artificial insemination? How is this possible? What'd she do, hold it in her mouth and then run for the turkey baster? I find it all pretty unsettling, and can definitely see being freaked out by this ridiculous possibility for impregnation if I were a guy. A man should never be held responsible for a child concieved in such a deceitful way. But it's an arresting notion though, that, given the chance, one could blow a beautiful celeb, use his DNA to make a gorgeous child, and no one would ever be the wiser. Not that I would ever do that . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    Yep, that's how I see it. Say you have a one night stand with a girl you never see again. She gets pregnant, she chooses to have a child. Her responsibility.
    ???????????

    I also think her "responsibility" is to at least let the father of the child know he is now a father.
    Im stunned you dont think this is a basic human right.(excluding rapist)
    She also has a "responsibility"to the child itself.Outside of medical history,you also have child support,and maybe a whole other family tree to consider.Maybe the kid will want to know who thier real father is one day and IMO,they have a right to know.

    One night stands sure are fun,but not very responsible,and most times (im guessing)are not intended to produce a life/child.In the event a life/child is concieved,why continue to be even more irrespobsible??
    Now, say that she called you and said, hey, I'm pregnant, do you want to be a daddy? and you say yes. She chooses to have a child based partially on your participation. Your responsibility (by half).
    Even if someone said No,i dont want a child,and she chooses to have the child,the man is STILL the Father of that child,by friggin LAW of this land and by nature.("mother" nature i might add)
    In some states he can sign away his "rights",a child might get a step dad(some good,some bad),but till the day he dies,he is still the father of that child and responsible IMO 100%,not just half.
    Not parenting, parenthood and what constitutes it.

    Lena
    lolol
    Ok maybe your right.
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    I bet they had sex, but he won't fess up...... You never know, it might not have been in the news brief..
    In any case, there are many many men that have no interest in paying child support or helping out with the kids that they helped create so maybe it's karma coming back to him for some little girl he got pregnant and made have an abortion.
    There had to be some reason for the court to see it in favor of the woman... Something we haven't read about. The media only say what they want you to know, what is the most sensational.
    I wonder if he gave her the sperm as a gift somehow and then tried to take it back, but it was too late.
    I just think there is more to the story.
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    This reminds me of that case involving tennis star Boris Becker and a Russian model some years back.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/health/sto...426590,00.html
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    further proof that there are simply too goddamm many lawyers in this country, and too many judges with a political agenda !

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