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    Just had an odd thought - wondering what anyone would think, or if this has ever actually happened. Concerning the Americans for Disabilities Act and Stripclubs/dancing/bach-parties

    ADA effectively states (as I read it) that a business must allow differently-abled patrons to access their locations, products and services. If a business has to allow things it normally wouldn't (like guide dogs) or specail services (like bouncers to carry wheelchair-bound patrons upstairs if there is no elevator) they must do so at no charge.

    Question: Would ADA allow, or force to allow, a patron with visual difficulties more touching access to the dancer? Would you let a blind man "trace you with his hands" in order to experience the club? Has this topic ever come up?

    I know what I hope the answer is (no), but am curious...

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    Lol fisrt a service dog can NOT be thrown out of any establishment, not even a strip club. But why take you're dog?

    A problem i have noticed ALOT is wheelchair access, seems no one has complained about that one enough, as any business should have by law have whelechair access.

    As far as picking a heavy person up to a seat, or a wheelchair bound person inside the club, they have the right to refuse doing so. That is when the customer may complain about wheelchair access.

    Bouncers (should not) need not be picking people up and moving them because they can't move themselves. If they drop the person... time to sue. You just don't do it. We have had taxi service refuse these people because it can be a liability.

    And for the blind guy...well he can hear, and any good dancer would hold his hands and tell him to not even try to touch. And NO ADA would not step in.
    It's easy!

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    I have danced for some blind guys: They didn't seem interested in excessive groping but rather were happy with most girls' normal lapdances, just with contact being maintained throughout. I've never had a disabled guy ask me to modify my normal type of dance.
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    Okay, so what about the blind and deaf customer? Would ADA require the dancer to put braille sickers on her body labeling the parts he could and could not touch?

    As long as we're talking about law. I wonder why someone hasn't challenged those three foot rules on the grounds that they discriminate against those with poor eyesight?

    On a more serious note, I have also noticed that most clubs don't seem very wheelchair friendly and have thought that was a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    I've never had a disabled guy ask me to modify my normal type of dance.
    ...ummm, isn't that the politically correct definition of pervs asking for extras?
    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    Would ADA allow, or force to allow, a patron with visual difficulties more touching access to the dancer?
    He would be required to use his cane to touch. ...ouch.

    Of course we all remember the ADA cases about strippers in wheelchairs and the quadriplegic that sued a florida club.
    "Peter, did you take Stewie to a strip-club? He smells like sweat and fear." - Lois and Stewie (Family Guy) ... "Through early morning fog I see, Visions of the things to be, The pains that are withheld for me, I realize and I can see..."

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    Well by law EVERY business here in Florida has to have wheelchair access. ALOT don't. Don't think something as far fetched as it may seem can not happen.

    I feel for the people who have a handicap of some sort...But again it's my job at the hospital that made me this way.

    Live it, and it see it....It sucks. I have tons of guys call me for phone because they can't get out into say... clubs for adult entertainment.

    Pamela

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    We have wheelchair access at our club. We used to have a quadrapelegic (sp?) that came in regularly with his wheelchair. I wouldn't see the draw for a blind person to go into a strip club since they can't watch the stage. In our club there's no contact what so ever, so I definitely don't see the blind issue coming up. Such an interesting topic though, made me think.

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    Yeah I too have had a quad reg custy before. He was just like doing dances for every other guy. I even asked if there was anything I could do to make them more "friendly" for him.

    As for the blind guys, hmm. I don't know if I would treat them any different or not. I would let them touch my face definatly so they could "see" who they were talking to. But for the rest of me, dunno. If it ever happens, I'll cross that bridge then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX
    ...ummm, isn't that the politically correct definition of pervs asking for extras?
    No. A fully abled guy requesting that I provide him with sexual gratification for money is the pc definition of pervs asking for extras.

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    I recall hearing somewhere a prank call (maybe Crank Yankers???) where a girl called a strip club and asked if she could auditon but she was blind. They said it was okay but then she said her dog had to go with her everywhere and they weren't quite as interested. This question just made me think of that.

    As a far as blind customers though, I don't know quite why they would want a stripper since they can't see her unless they just like the music and conversation.

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    Abolish the ADA!

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    NO!!! Do not abolish the ADA! I have a very dear friend of mine who is in a wheelchair and has been since age 12. If is wasn't for the ADA, he wouldn't have the job he has right now.

    The ADA can be a pain, but they do have good points.

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    "Blind guy at a strip club"... lol.Sounds like aan episode of Reno911

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    NO!!! Do not abolish the ADA! I have a very dear friend of mine who is in a wheelchair and has been since age 12. If is wasn't for the ADA, he wouldn't have the job he has right now.

    The ADA can be a pain, but they do have good points.

    Kitana
    I so agree! THey even helped a man i met years ago get a service dog, and he paid NOTHING. They do good good things for people.

    Pamela

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    Heh. I just danced for a very nice quad last night. He had no control of his right hand and it would jump out spastically every once in a while. I had spoken for a bit with one of his friends before the dance and was warned about it, so didn't take it personally when he touched my thigh or ass, for example, as it was obviously a tic. And I hope he enjoyed it.

    We have a rule that you can't lay guys down on their backs at the tip rail (to crawl on them, etc) unless it's a bday or bach party. But my quad custy wanted to lay down on stage for me, so I talked to the owner, and he okay'd it. I let all the bouncers and dj's know so they wouldn't freak out at a broken rule. During my next set, one of the bouncers lifted the custy out of his chair (all 90 lbs of him) and laid him on the stage so I could dance for him. Then he was helped back down. He had the biggest shit eating grin on his face.

    He asked for me three separate times during the night, so he actually contributed nicely to my income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX
    Of course we all remember the ADA cases about strippers in wheelchairs and the quadriplegic that sued a florida club.
    I don't - can you tell me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    I don't - can you tell me?
    ADA Standards for Accessible Design 28 CFR Part 36 (July 1, 1994)- 4.33.5 Access to Performing Areas - An accessible route shall connect wheelchair seating locations with performing areas, including stages, arena floors, dressing rooms, locker rooms and other spaces used by performers.

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