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    As much as many of us may have used strippers, bartenders, and waitresses as therapists, it's apparently important not to take that role too seriously.

    Ex-stripper psychotherapy license probed



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    BOSTON (AP) - An ex-stripper who once strutted her stuff as Princess Cheyenne in Boston's "Combat Zone" is under investigation by the state for allegedly practicing psychotherapy without a license.



    Lucy Wightman, who performed at the Naked i in Boston in the 1970s and 80s and later at the Foxy Lady in Providence, R.I., allegedly saw patients at South Shore Psychology Associates, located in Hingham before it moved to Norwell.

    OAS_AD('Button20');State investigators "are looking to determine if there is sufficient evidence to bring a criminal complaint for unlicensed practice," said Chris Goetcheus, a spokesman for the state Office of Consumer Affairs and Business Regulation, which licenses psychologists.

    WFXT-TV of Boston first aired a story Sunday about Wightman's psychotherapy practice. She told the station's reporter that she was a psychologist.

    State law requires practicing psychologists and social workers to be licensed, but not psychotherapists.

    Wightman is listed as a manager of South Shore Psychology Associates LLC, founded in 2000, state records show. A Web site says the office provides services ranging from anger management to obsessive-compulsive disorder treatment.

    Thursday, a paper sign on the office window in Norwell advertised "South Shore Psychotherapy Associates" and "South Shore Neurofeedback Associates." An employee in a nearby office told a reporter from The Patriot Ledger of Quincy that the name recently was changed.

    Seven other mental health professionals share the office with Wightman, a directory indicated.

    Wightman did not respond to a phone message left at her office Friday. Her home telephone number and address were not listed.

    Wightman was briefly engaged to singer Cat Stevens in the mid-1970s, The Patriot Ledger reported. She turned to body building in the 1990s, winning a state title in a 1993 competition. In 2000 and 2001, she worked as an intern for the
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    Just some food for thought, I worked at the hospital in Salt Lake City with the guy that killed his wife last year and dumped her in the garbage. After it became national headline news they made a huge stink about him running group therapy that he was not "licensed" to run, and so on, and so on. It was all a bunch of crap, a lot of people work in psych hospitals, or psychotherapy offices doing a lot of things that can be construed as "therapy." I could be wrong of course, but this sounds a lot like that. Sounds like someone decided a stripper shouldn't be able to hold a "respectable" job and is throwing a lot of dirt around. Then again, maybe she did something wrong, but we'll never know by reading a newspaper.

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    One of the best known feature dancers in the world is a licensed therapist. Sydney Moon. She has her own licensed practice in LA and is well known from Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler.
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    Licensing is just a way to cartelize an industry. Most "mental health professionals" are the real quacks.






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    so i wonder if you ask a friend for advice about what to do when you catch your boyfriend sleeping with your best friend, and she says i'd kick the shit out oif her, and you do just that, and get arrested for it, and you tell the police that your friend advised it, does she get arrested for giving her advice on what she would do?!?!?i don't society sucks

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    Shot is right, tons of sociopaths work in the mental health industry. Both the psychiatrists I visited were, and one of my counsellors was. Who wants a sick person guiding you???? This is one of the reasons why I never go to shrinks, they end up telling you a bunch of bs in order to fuck you even further..... You have to be careful about who you choose.

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    The two male psychiatrists I went to just wanted to hear about my sex life 3x a week for $150 a pop. The woman counselor I went to, without the MD, just a psych degree, actually gave me great help and advice. Sometimes the diploma doesn't do or mean anything......

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    As far as as "most mental health professionals" being quacks, and lots of sociopaths working in the mental health field, that is complete nonsense. No sociopath can get licensed, or even make it through a four year program in psychology for that matter. Just because a mental health professional does not agree with your way of thinking does not make them a quack. If you have a problem worth going to see a counselor for, it's probably something the counselor is going to try and get you to think about in ways other than the way you currently think about it, and in turn hopefully help you with your problem. As for the male psychiatrists only wanting to hear about your sex life... what kind of bullshit sexist crap is that? If a man posted something that blatantly sexist on here he would get eatin alive.

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    Ummmm, I believe we were just speaking of our experiences. I don't believe that mental health professionals are any more "quacks" than in any industry requiring certification. But thanks for being an asshole newbie......

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    Read Szasz's books if you think I am exaggerating.

    Or take a look at the history of Eugenics in America, of which the mental health professions played a major role.

    All licensing does is keep out some competition, thereby raising the wage rates of those who managed to get in the field. This goes for photography, hairbraiding, or social/mental therapy.

    Eugenics:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtherwisePerfect
    As far as as "most mental health professionals" being quacks, and lots of sociopaths working in the mental health field, that is complete nonsense. No sociopath can get licensed, or even make it through a four year program in psychology for that matter. Just because a mental health professional does not agree with your way of thinking does not make them a quack. If you have a problem worth going to see a counselor for, it's probably something the counselor is going to try and get you to think about in ways other than the way you currently think about it, and in turn hopefully help you with your problem. As for the male psychiatrists only wanting to hear about your sex life... what kind of bullshit sexist crap is that? If a man posted something that blatantly sexist on here he would get eatin alive.
    lol. Boy do you need to wake up..... maybe you live on a different planet from the one I've experienced. And I do agree with Kat on the fact that there are some good counsellors, you just have to be careful about the ones you choose, as I stated. What about doctors? I supposed sociopaths can't be PhDs either..... This is a total scream!! lol. And child molestation is non-existent in the South..... hahahahaha! And all sociopaths are in jail.....lololol... and so on....I've been on the inside, and I KNOW. No question about it. Everyone in my town knew who were the sociopaths and who weren't... Doctors- tons and tons of them, psychiatrists- the same, Dentists- most of them. The ones who want to be on top do their jobs well, the ones who don't care, I would avoid.

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    If you want to read all the posts Katrina, you would see the quote that "most mental health professionals are real quacks," so yes, that was said, and since it was not said by you, there is no need for you to get all upset about it, but if you'd like to respond to the part of my post that did deal with you, feel free. As far as whatever the hell you're talking about erotictonic I would gladly continue this discussion with you if any of your post made sense. When did child molestation get brought up? and what does the south have to do with this discussion? Apparently you were in jail and this allows you to know what exactly? Doctors are or are not sociopaths? As far as you stating "you have to be careful who you choose" right after saying that you never go to shrinks, that's a little silly. You make all shrinks out to be sick and full of bs, but never qualify what you mean by saying be careful who you choose. You need to make sense if I'm going to be able to carry on a conversation with you.

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    And Shot, I looked at the website you posted, but fail to see the connection here. You think the mental health industry is promoting "eugenics" as it's called? I'd have to agree with a friend of mine on this one and say that people who read tabloids deserve to be lied to. You really believe that stuff? and as far as this campaign against licensing goes, I would really not like to see the day anyone can open up a law, medical, dental, or counseling practice without having to pass any requirements for doing so. I would really like it if my gyno had to go to medical school and pass a test making sure he or she knows what the hell he's doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtherwisePerfect
    If you want to read all the posts Katrina, you would see the quote that "most mental health professionals are real quacks," so yes, that was said, and since it was not said by you, there is no need for you to get all upset about it, but if you'd like to respond to the part of my post that did deal with you, feel free. As far as whatever the hell you're talking about erotictonic I would gladly continue this discussion with you if any of your post made sense. When did child molestation get brought up? and what does the south have to do with this discussion? Apparently you were in jail and this allows you to know what exactly? Doctors are or are not sociopaths? As far as you stating "you have to be careful who you choose" right after saying that you never go to shrinks, that's a little silly. You make all shrinks out to be sick and full of bs, but never qualify what you mean by saying be careful who you choose. You need to make sense if I'm going to be able to carry on a conversation with you.
    LOL. The sarcasm is misunderstood, of course, and I really can't explain it to you... it would take years.

    I said that you need to be careful about who you choose, along with the fact that there are some good ones out there, but you have to look. I never go to shrinks now, that doesn't mean I haven't been to some. I already explained that ... wow.... what's so difficult to understand about that??? I never said ALL shrinks are mad....

    Honestly, you are fighting a losing battle. By the time most people get 25, they have had enough experience with docs to know. It's a given that there a lot of people working in the mental health field that shouldn't be there at all... they aren't there for reasons of wanting to help people... they are there to get their Jags, and it gives them a sense of power. And, it is known that those professions do attract sociopaths, because of the power it offers them.

    My posts make perfect sense to me.... and so do Kat's and Shot's... and his link on eugenics is a perfect example of some whacky doctors spinning out of control - ideas of creating a better race, and Hitler tried to carry it out. This is true, I've read of it before.
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    "This is one of the reasons why I never go to shrinks, they end up telling you a bunch of bs in order to fuck you even further....." this is a very firm stance against "shrinks," whatever it is you mean by that, and it is a silly statement. "Shrinks" are rarely full of bs and I have never known one to make a patient worse. As far as everything else you stated that I questioned that you so conveniently didn't address, you shouldn't back down from an argument when confronted with a strong opposing argument by saying it's not worth it. It was worth it to say all those silly things about "shrinks," why is it suddenly not worth it when you get questioned about what you said? As far as comprehending you goes, yes, I understood your first posting, but the second one that I had all the questions about and asked you to clarify you seem to have decided not to clarify... let's keep things straight okay? It does no one any good to say things just for the sake of sounding good if they don't apply to a discussion or are simply untrue.

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    Hmm... I guess you didn't like one of your posts since you had to delete it. I am fighting a losing battle? against what exactly? I don't know what it is about the age of 25 that is going to make me an expert on how many doctors are sociopaths, but that is an interesting idea. I'm sorry you've had so many negative experiences with mental health professionals, but you are wrong about why many of them are there. I will agree that psychiatrists make very good money, but besides that profession, most of them make very little compared to what most people think they make, so no, they are there for money or power, they are there to help people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtherwisePerfect
    "This is one of the reasons why I never go to shrinks, they end up telling you a bunch of bs in order to fuck you even further....." this is a very firm stance against "shrinks," whatever it is you mean by that, and it is a silly statement. "Shrinks" are rarely full of bs and I have never known one to make a patient worse. As far as everything else you stated that I questioned that you so conveniently didn't address, you shouldn't back down from an argument when confronted with a strong opposing argument by saying it's not worth it. It was worth it to say all those silly things about "shrinks," why is it suddenly not worth it when you get questioned about what you said? As far as comprehending you goes, yes, I understood your first posting, but the second one that I had all the questions about and asked you to clarify you seem to have decided not to clarify... let's keep things straight okay? It does no one any good to say things just for the sake of sounding good if they don't apply to a discussion or are simply untrue.
    SOME shrinks do, not all. Yes, they are. Yes, they have made patients worse. I know some. The rest of it is sarcasm.... like I said, there are just some things you can't explain. A person needs to have a certain background in order to "get it". It would be like trying to explain a divorce to a six year old. And yes, some shrinks, the ONLY ones I have been to, were self-serving freaks who did nothing to help me. I did have one counsellor who was helpful. You would just have to have more experience with the world to understand....

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    I've noticed that you've posted and then deleted at least two posts. When you've written one you want to stick with let me know and we'll continue our discussion.

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    Otherwise Perfect, I would like to know what makes YOU, at the age of 22, such an expert on everyting. I myself gradualted from University of Maryland in 1995 with a BS in Psychology, with the intention of practicing clinical psychology or medical psychiatry one day. I have also attended quite a bit of indivudual, group, and couple therapy. Here are some things you need to know:

    1) The Eugenics movement WAS indeed poineered by mental health professionals. It is a well-documented fact, not a tabloid fairy tale.

    2) Medical psychiatrists are not really trained to give ANY type of therapy except pharmaclolgy. They are DOCTORS, and have mostly the same training as your gynocologist or family practitioner. They have some specialization, but theri main training had to do with the structure, function, ad disease of the BODY. Anybody who is practicing Psychoanalysis is supposed to have taken addotional training. You do not have to be an MD take it, so far as I recall.

    3) bad psychologists and psychiatrists can and DO hurt people. THey are in a position of power and control over their patients and can exploit that position to draw out the patient's therapy fo rtheir own financial gains, to exploit a paitent for sex, and so on. They can also plant false incest or abuse memories, counsel patients into unwise actions, fail to see an impending suicide...need I go on? This DOES harm the paitent.

    4) having a medical or other licence does NOT mean that someone is not psychopathic or sociopathic. In fact the true mark of a sociopath is that he can hide his abbreant streak from peopel who are supposed to figure it out (like medical licencing boards).
    You may be too young to remember this, but several years ago there was a huge lawsuit against a gynochologist who was raping his patients.

    OP, your porfile states that you have only been dancing a few months and that you joined this board to learn about dancing. You woudl do well to listen more and take the advice of people who are wiser and more experienced than you are, rather than argue with established members of this board about something in which you have so littel knowledge.

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    The quality of a healthcare professional is basically a statement of how together and efficient the organization licensing such professional truly is.

    A good chunk of alleged psychiatrists- many are not licensed at all, or have superfluous licensing. If you wanted a piece of paper to enable legal practice, obtaining such from numerous city-style universities can be obtained for more of a price + attendance + testing than any form of comprehensive training or screening.

    It is absurd to think that every person licensed and practicing is someone trustworthy or capable. It's the same with taking your car to a 'certified' mechanic. Not all mechanics are going to do a good job. This is a fact of life about EVERYTHING- for any given body, group or organization, only a small percentage is exceptional. Another small percentage is below mediocre. Nature loves a bell-curve.

    Healthcare professionals are people too- there is nothing special about them. Some of the same frat-boys that were regularly accosted for their actions towards women in college... and were also guys who's heads I'd held over the toilet from wild weekend parties now have their own private practices. I have no idea of the quality of services they now offer, but it's definately food for thought. A UCLA degree, an office, a leather chair and notepad does not assure someone that can actually help people. Many do come out of the experience as a blessing to society, with motivations to truly help others... some do not.
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    Colleen, I'm not sure how it is that age and experience somehow allow a person to ramble on about how horrible mental health professionals are. In my experience it is the wiser one who understands that while there are exceptions in every profession, most people are good people and do not harm others. You and others on this string who have disagreed with me are so absolute in your conviction that mental health professionals are bad people out to abuse and take advantage of their patients, I felt compelled to offer a more realistic point of view. As far as my experience goes, I worked in a psychiatric facility for several years while obtaining a B.S. in psychology, and an MSW, which will become an LCSW in one more year. Is that experience enough for you? As far as your enlightening bit about what it is that psychiatrists do, thanks for that, but I'm not sure why you needed to add that, I wasn't arguing with anyone about the qualifications of psychiatrists. Why so many of you on this string need to spew out your real or imagined negative experiences with "mental health professionals" I don't know, but they did not create your problems in life, you had them when you went to see them, and they most certainly did not make them worse, although it is natural to want to blame someone else, it is ultimately self-defeating. As for me, yes, I did want to gain some insite into what other dancers and customers thought about dancing, but it has become apparent that the mind set of many on this site are quite rigid, and unable to accept others opinions or any type of idea that strays from their desired way of looking at the world. Best of luck to all of you, but I'm going to look elsewhere for people to talk to.

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    I'm sorry Colleen, had to add one more thing. Blaming the counselor for not seeing an impending suicide is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Blaming anyone, especially a counselor, for someone else taking their life is a mistake anyone with a psych. degree and as much therapy experience as you claim to have should not make.

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    failing to see and diagnose a mental illness is a mistake which does happen. If you mental health professional can't take care of you, who can? You certainly would not excuse an oncologist for failing to daignose and treat cancer, would you? And actaully yes, it is true that some professionals in EVERY field are incompetent or worse, malicius. Why you have not read any such case studies in your classes is beyond me. As I pointed out before, it most certainly IS possible for a mental health porfessional to make a patient's condition worse, and unless YOU ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITy, you will never be a competent thereapist.

    FOr myself, I have had MANY good experiences with therapy, and one bad one that almost ruined my marriage. HOW? THe therapist took sides instead of being an objective 3rd party. I'll leave it to your imagination to figure out the detrimental effects of THAT experience.


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    Colleen, I'm not sure how it is that age and experience somehow allow a person to ramble on about how horrible mental health professionals are. In my experience it is the wiser one who understands that while there are exceptions in every profession, most people are good people and do not harm others. You and others on this string who have disagreed with me are so absolute in your conviction that mental health professionals are bad people out to abuse and take advantage of their patients, I felt compelled to offer a more realistic point of view. As far as my experience goes, I worked in a psychiatric facility for several years while obtaining a B.S. in psychology, and an MSW, which will become an LCSW in one more year. Is that experience enough for you? As far as your enlightening bit about what it is that psychiatrists do, thanks for that, but I'm not sure why you needed to add that, I wasn't arguing with anyone about the qualifications of psychiatrists. Why so many of you on this string need to spew out your real or imagined negative experiences with "mental health professionals" I don't know, but they did not create your problems in life, you had them when you went to see them, and they most certainly did not make them worse, although it is natural to want to blame someone else, it is ultimately self-defeating. As for me, yes, I did want to gain some insite into what other dancers and customers thought about dancing, but it has become apparent that the mind set of many on this site are quite rigid, and unable to accept others opinions or any type of idea that strays from their desired way of looking at the world. Best of luck to all of you, but I'm going to look elsewhere for people to talk to.
    Wake up, child, they are fooling you. If what you have experienced is true, all of these loving, wonderful people working together for the common good of the patient, please tell me where it is so I can move in to this heavenly place. I used to be just like you 10 years ago, until I realized I had been fooled. People act differently around you when you are a student. When everyone 10 years your senior is saying it, you might want to reassess your ideas....NO one said ALL of them are evil, but a good bit of them are - enough to cause one to go searching for one who is at least tolerable and half-way trustworthy. Any profession that is that easy to enter and offers that type of control is going to attract tons of nuts, honey. Where do you think these people are? They are scattered throughout the population - we've got 6% full-fledged sociopaths alone, and Lord only knows how many who may as well be- people who threw in the towel and crossed the fence. Kat , Polecat, and I have been around and you should take heed in our words, young one. Colleen and Shot I don't know yet, but their posts are right on. Actually it's best for you to remain somewhat naive, it does offer more happiness for you, imo. If you are dancing, you might want to stay on the site just to read up on it. It could be dangerous for someone as naive as you are.

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    failing to see and diagnose a mental illness is a mistake which does happen. If you mental health professional can't take care of you, who can? You certainly would not excuse an oncologist for failing to daignose and treat cancer, would you? And actaully yes, it is true that some professionals in EVERY field are incompetent or worse, malicius. Why you have not read any such case studies in your classes is beyond me. As I pointed out before, it most certainly IS possible for a mental health porfessional to make a patient's condition worse, and unless YOU ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITy, you will never be a competent thereapist.

    FOr myself, I have had MANY good experiences with therapy, and one bad one that almost ruined my marriage. HOW? THe therapist took sides instead of being an objective 3rd party. I'll leave it to your imagination to figure out the detrimental effects of THAT experience.
    I had the same thing happen to me. I made the mistake of taking my ex to therapy. I lived in a town of 20,000, and my ex was a well-known sociopath, so sure enough, she blatantly took his side for fear of repercussions.

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