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    Just heard that there will be no more juvy executions

    gotta wonder how bad that burns Bush since he has orderd more people to die than any other state governor
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    Im disapointed in this.
    Although i champion childrens rights,I also belive that if a 17 year old kills someone,he is acting as an adult and should feel the "buzz"just as any other murderer should.
    I also think drug laws should include some sort of penalty for minors involved in drug trafficing.
    Thats why the drug kingpins use the underage,they know the kids wont get in alot of trouble.

    I see the artical dealing with more anti Bush propaganda bullshit then really anything to do with actual juvy executions and if there is or isnt a need for them.

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    Capital punishment is barbaric and ineffectual both financially and statistically.

    That said, this decision wasn't based on law--it was based on the moral impositions of five justices in a classic case of judicial activism. What they did was strip the states of existing rights to apply (or not apply) capital punishment as per current legislation.

    Arbitrary, capricious and baseless at every level, this decision should never have even made it to the SCOTUS.
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    "Congress shall make no law"... The federal Govt should STAY OUT of things not specifically handed to it in the constitution

    That said, I don't want to see scared 8 yr olds being executed for mistakes they make, but neither do I want a 17yr old gangbanger living in jail and getting free appeals and education.

    Personally, execution of retarded and impaired citizens and imprisonment of "suspected" terrorists scares me more than the juvie executions- cause I know how hard it is to get a death penalty on a juvie...we're doing pretty good there.

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    Hey, this opens up an entire new career path for under 18 violent youth ... as 'contract killers' !

    BTW police departments in the 19 affected states are going crazy over this court ruling, as they now expect many more shootouts to occur between police and gangs.

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    What about 'emancipated minors'? Would they be considered adults even though under 18?

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    "Congress shall make no law"... The federal Govt should STAY OUT of things not specifically handed to it in the constitution

    That said, I don't want to see scared 8 yr olds being executed for mistakes they make, but neither do I want a 17yr old gangbanger living in jail and getting free appeals and education.
    I agree. Nothing bothers me more than groups that are too lazy to try to work within the system to change the laws they don't like. Instead they look for activist judges to make the laws for them.
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    I dont want to see 8 year olds getting zapped.
    I would like the age to be lowered from 18 for capital crimes like murder.

    I just think when a 16 year old picks up a gun and commits a crime,they are crossing the line and should be treated accordingly.

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    Myssi,

    I was an emancipated minor. In most states, they are adults in civil law (can be sued, make contracts, etc) but minors according to criminal law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myssi
    Apologies to Creed...
    I actually believe that to be a remake of an Alice Cooper song.

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    You really have to think about this with respect to the rash of school shootings over the last decade. If I remember correctly, of the two boys involved with the Columbine shootings, one was 18, the other was 17.

    Lets suppose we had a similar situation where instead taking their own lives, the two shooters allowed police to take them into custody. Can you imagine the quandary this decision would cause had one gotten the death penalty and the other didn't based on nothing more than the latter was a few months shy of the magic birthday, even if evidence showed the two were equally complicit in what they did.

    I understand their rationale for drawing a line between childhood and adulthood, but a human being just doesn't go from partial culpability to full culpability when he/she turns 18.
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    And that gets into a whole 'nother issue, doc, the arbitrariness of age lines. There's no magical reason that signing contracts, drinking, driving, military service, marriage, voting, or criminal culpability should start precisely at a certain age. But society figures there has to be some age qualification, and they draw certain lines which represent no real validity other than a half-assed guess to some median line of maturity.

    There's going to be a bit of head-scratching going on anyway, with the teenage D.C. sniper.

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    It's called the Eighth Amendment of the US COnstitution. Remember the Constitution? The Constitution is supposedly still the governing law in all 50 states, even the red ones and even in the South!

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    Capital punishment is barbaric and ineffectual both financially and statistically.

    That said, this decision wasn't based on law--it was based on the moral impositions of five justices in a classic case of judicial activism. What they did was strip the states of existing rights to apply (or not apply) capital punishment as per current legislation.

    Arbitrary, capricious and baseless at every level, this decision should never have even made it to the SCOTUS.
    Presuming we still have a Constitution, this would be the Eighth Amendment. "...nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

    CO: "Capital punishment is barbaric "

    Take a look at the SC opinion. It's a very detailed and thoughtful analysis of the meaning of this profoundly vague clause of the Constitution in the context of today's society. This is the eighth amendment, this is not a loophole, technicality, nor activism. States Rights??????? Perhaps you've imagined a Constitution with a different Eighth Amendment...one that says...."...nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, except in States with a per capita spending on Nascar merchandise exceeding the per capita spending on books."

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    what cracks me up the most is the people who go on about being prolife yet they support executions including children.... talk about confused !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satara
    what cracks me up the most is the people who go on about being prolife yet they support executions including children.... talk about confused !
    wheeeew we agree,those people are very confused in thier thinking IMO.

    This is why im Pro Baby.

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    OK. So if you commit a crime during a time when the death penalty was NOT legal in your state, you can't get the death penalty, right?

    But, all these kids who have ALREADY been sentenced to death will be covered by this ruling now?

    This doesn't make sense to me.



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    Society has spent so much time trying to fix the "effect" of a screwed up society...that they can no longer really pinpoint what the cause was.

    If this is the only way that they can get themselves to sleep at night, then so be it. I will use my time and energy doing something worthwhile. Why spent all that energy trying to make a brick wall talk?

    It's always been my opinion that you live your life the way that you would like to see others live theirs. It'll rub off onto at LEAST one other person...and then you've done your part.

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    I'm anti-death penalty, so this is a step in the right direction for me. However, I don't agree with the reasoning behind it - I think a 16-year-old who commits a murder - whether it be a fellow gang member, innocent bystander, whatever - is just as culpable and deserving of the same punishment as someone who is 18+.


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