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    A forensic psychologist, Karen Franklin's dual interests in psychology and the law brought her to question the roots of anti-gay hate crimes. Her interviews with perpetrators and with San Francisco Bay Area college students provide badly needed empirical data on the nature and extent of negative reactions to gays.

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    *yawn*

    How many of these same posts are you going to post, Tigerlily?

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    wrong person.... but anywayz these r the 1st topics that include scientfic study and data and not just opinion.

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    I dont think doing a study in SAN FRAN,asking about anything related to the homosexual community,is scientific at all,or reps what the majority of the country thinks.

    I wonder if the results would be different in say Carolinas or Ohio or Dallas.

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Satara
    wrong person.... but anywayz these r the 1st topics that include scientfic study and data and not just opinion.
    Oh, really...I beg to differ.

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    I dont think doing a study in SAN FRAN,asking about anything related to the homosexual community,is scientific at all,or reps what the majority of the country thinks.
    While true, that would be a seriously difficult study to undertake for a myriad of reasons.

    That said, one can hardly consider the SF area as a barometer for any national trend regarding homosexuality or just sexuality in general. Also, the measure for indicating a propensity for assault (social marginalization and poverty) seems to be really, really broadly applied here. While it's useful information indeed, the conclusions can be applied to a great number of social conditions using the very same indicators. In light of the ubiquity of the study's premises, whether or not that makes for accurate assessments is left to the reader.
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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    Anyone with even a 5th grade reading comprehension level would understand this article/study has nothing to do with the root of anti-gay hate crimes or hate crimes in general.

    The subjects studied have never participated in any hate crimes, public gay bashing or likewise... and have also made it very strong that they would never do so. It makes a completely massive jump of illogic that three pacifist behavior individuals with a particular belief system are somehow tied with those that do inflict violence or otherwise participate in hate crimes.. (??)

    I've never seen a more prolific example of 'the thought police' in all my life.. it's rifting the gap between a person's personal beliefs and creating a criminal out of them for expressing such beliefs. This is non-constructive grandstanding like no tomorrow.

    This is the same guilt-by-association that gays had to suffer for years prior- where simply expressing their beliefs were not tolerated and shunned. Now gay researches are imposing the same travesty upon the rest of society? I thought the gay rights movement was meant to reverse such intolerable practices... not create and condone them.

    If we want to abolish hate-crimes or anti-gay bashing/violence, then those that actually are perpetrators of such acts should be studied or analyzed. Taking three random individuals that do not perform such acts of violence, but have a particular belief system or gender preference and demonizing them as being the source of a problem is negligent propaganda.. and has absolutely nothing to do with science.
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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat
    The subjects studied have never participated in any hate crimes,.
    Incorrect. I take it you did not read the information presented

    From the article:

    Other than their assaults, Andrew, Brian, and Eric

    In describing the three assaults on gay men that he committed while alone, Eric used shorthand explanations

    Brian'scalculated assaults

    Also no offense to you Polecat but I am more likely to believe the work done by a forensic psychologist than to take the words of a bouncer as gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W.
    Incorrect. I take it you did not read the information presented
    Actually, Tigerlilly/Satara, I did.

    You just require someone to *selectively* absorb data in order to form a false and misleading hypothesis.

    If you read the article, all three individuals openly profess they have a dislike for gays. You are more than willing to accept this account of their own without question.

    In all three cases, the individuals openly professed the situations given would have occurred regardless of the sexual preference of their victim. Now, suddenly you need to discredit their very own testimony in order to better serve your own agenda.

    Which one is it? Are you to believe their testimony? Or do you discredit their testimony? Or is it (as it appears here) that you wish to *selectively* pick and choose which of their testimonies are to be trusted or mistrusted?

    The article is very clear. It brings up scenarios of situations with these individuals and the individuals openly present their side of the situation. It's unacceptable for someone to then pick and choose which parts they believe best fits their personal agenda. That IS what is so wrong with this country today.

    From the article:
    "..denies committing assaults based on sexuality.."

    ".. all insisted that their assaults were not motivated by hatred of homosexuals..."

    ".. In the case of the man who had stolen his cousin's jacket, Eric inflicted punishment primarily for thievery.. "

    " Brian saw himself as helping a friend who needed money and a calling card; Eric saw himself as protecting his young and hotheaded friend Mike.


    Also no offense to you Polecat but I am more likely to believe the work done by a forensic psychologist than to take the words of a bouncer as gospel.
    Huh? I'm a middle aged, long post-graduate from highly respected universities here in California (UC), and work in an engineering role that still continues to advance his studies. I also participate in a number of social programs/local charities and also an advocate for gay rights. I've also protested a number of times in Berkeley, SF and other regions.

    I guess your desire to require mythical and delusional means in order to further your own agenda really does shine on through... even when you have to direct such foolhardy exercises on actual human beings. Have fun performing more selective comprehension, but I wouldn't expect anyone over the age of 12 to go along with it.

    Moreover... I've never seen anyone actually try to pretend to be an opponent to discrimination and hate-crimes while hypocritically participating in such themselves. You've just now, in black and white, created an illusional imbalance between two people based on what kind of work they do: I guess you think that strippers are all a bunch of retards that are morally objectionable? Nice job of losing any form of credibility you might have had by creating the prejudice of using a job role having to do with one's beliefs or opinions.. or how valid a voice is based on their place of employment. Had I been a bouncer, that would immediately discredit me from being capable of making good points or pointing out issues with articles? By your own measuring stick of following this article- having angst against bouncers is a hate crime.

    Apparently, from your biggoted standpoint of prejudice.. bouncers, strippers, janitors or others are obviously incapable of having valid points or opinions. Thank you for making this point clear so as others can see your true nature.

    It's good to know that for triple-split personality individuals, the business card that one wields is the true sign of their credibility. I'll be right back- I'm going to get my UCLA MD friend to post here that all gays like Country Music and it will immediately be claimed as gospel/the way it is.
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    dayyuuuummmm!!!!!!

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    ok now really,we should close this thread,cast it out to sea,and give it a viking's burnial.

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    Default Re: Forensic Psychologist Study on those who Hate Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    ok now really,we should close this thread,cast it out to sea,and give it a viking's burnial.
    I agree....



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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat
    Actually, Tigerlilly/Satara, I did.

    You just require someone to *selectively* absorb data in order to form a false and misleading hypothesis.

    If you read the article, all three individuals openly profess they have a dislike for gays. You are more than willing to accept this account of their own without question.

    In all three cases, the individuals openly professed the situations given would have occurred regardless of the sexual preference of their victim. Now, suddenly you need to discredit their very own testimony in order to better serve your own agenda.

    Which one is it? Are you to believe their testimony? Or do you discredit their testimony? Or is it (as it appears here) that you wish to *selectively* pick and choose which of their testimonies are to be trusted or mistrusted?

    The article is very clear. It brings up scenarios of situations with these individuals and the individuals openly present their side of the situation. It's unacceptable for someone to then pick and choose which parts they believe best fits their personal agenda. That IS what is so wrong with this country today.

    From the article:
    "..denies committing assaults based on sexuality.."

    ".. all insisted that their assaults were not motivated by hatred of homosexuals..."

    ".. In the case of the man who had stolen his cousin's jacket, Eric inflicted punishment primarily for thievery.. "

    " Brian saw himself as helping a friend who needed money and a calling card; Eric saw himself as protecting his young and hotheaded friend Mike.



    Huh? I'm a middle aged, long post-graduate from highly respected universities here in California (UC), and work in an engineering role that still continues to advance his studies. I also participate in a number of social programs/local charities and also an advocate for gay rights. I've also protested a number of times in Berkeley, SF and other regions.

    I guess your desire to require mythical and delusional means in order to further your own agenda really does shine on through... even when you have to direct such foolhardy exercises on actual human beings. Have fun performing more selective comprehension, but I wouldn't expect anyone over the age of 12 to go along with it.

    Moreover... I've never seen anyone actually try to pretend to be an opponent to discrimination and hate-crimes while hypocritically participating in such themselves. You've just now, in black and white, created an illusional imbalance between two people based on what kind of work they do: I guess you think that strippers are all a bunch of retards that are morally objectionable? Nice job of losing any form of credibility you might have had by creating the prejudice of using a job role having to do with one's beliefs or opinions.. or how valid a voice is based on their place of employment. Had I been a bouncer, that would immediately discredit me from being capable of making good points or pointing out issues with articles? By your own measuring stick of following this article- having angst against bouncers is a hate crime.

    Apparently, from your biggoted standpoint of prejudice.. bouncers, strippers, janitors or others are obviously incapable of having valid points or opinions. Thank you for making this point clear so as others can see your true nature.

    It's good to know that for triple-split personality individuals, the business card that one wields is the true sign of their credibility. I'll be right back- I'm going to get my UCLA MD friend to post here that all gays like Country Music and it will immediately be claimed as gospel/the way it is.
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