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    In my never-ending search for interesting and unusual entertainment I decided to check out a "Drag King Show".

    It was held at a primarily lesbian bar although there were some men there of questionable gender.

    I felt a little uncomfortable but not anything like a lesbian leather biker bar I stumbled into one late night in Chicago but that’s another story.

    The Drag King show was made up of women who pretended to be men and women who pretended to be women (so called kittens).

    The drag kings were among the ugliest women I have ever had the misfortune to observe. They even made ugly men. They walked around flat footed with chins jutting out and rolled up socks in their pants and pubic hair glued to their faces and underarms. It was hard to separate their dancing from their ugliness but I tried to get a sense of just what they were trying to accomplish. I guess no one could sing or play an instrument because they all lip-synched and mimed instruments.

    Just as I was considering breaking my vow of not drinking or at least hitting the restroom to throw up the "Kittens came out" They looked good from a distance. One leading another who was wearing a collar. Closer examination revealed moves like giant munchkins from the Wizard of OZ. The kittens were in the 5’4" range and topped the scales at around 200 pounds.

    The whole thing was like watching Opra Winfry on acid.

    Then out of nowhere came this lovely brown girl. I could not place her ethnic background. French maybe, or Cajun or something. She was a stripper by her moves and an accomplished one. Early 20’s I would say she had been dancing for at least a couple of years. Unashamed of her body she moved easily around the gender addled buffoons also performing on stage. The lesbian audience did not quite know what to make of her and the gay guys you could see were re evaluating their sexual orientation. Some in the audience threw ones and others stuffed ones in the tight fitting clothing of the dancing assclowns. Maybe they made a hundred on tips and I would guess by the sleazy nature of the bar they were paid under 500. So I figure the take at about 50 bucks a head or maybe .05 cents a pound.

    So comes my question. Why on earth would a lovely young dancer choose to be with such a motley crew of obviously deranged and psychotic weight watchers? What could have happened to the poor young thing? Are hetro male customers really that bad?


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    I smiled reading that review!

    I come from a city in Australia where Drag King entertainment - like drag queens - is hugely successful and popular. Much of what you said about the drag kings applies to the queens too.

    I and other male strippers will do shows / sets along with drag queens for the magic reason that inspires us all to do lotsa crazy shit: $. And I bet that's why the hottie you mentioned at this gig was doing it too. Lesbians like to have strippers the same as everyone else.
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    Wow, I'm lucky to have lived in/currently live in an area with some very handome drag kings. I'm personally not super attracted to butch women or kings, but some of them do an excellent job. I've had the honor of being part of a film crew for several troupes and they do an outstanding job.
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    Like chad said, ....money. For 500 bucks I would have done it too.....lol

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    I have a friend who is a dominatrix.bellydancer.stripper and she has performed at events like this. They usually pay a small base, like $100 and she keeps the tips. Its fun for her, why wouldn't she perform for other women and gay men? WTF Mark? Are sexy women only supposed to only exist for men to look at??

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    Are sexy women only supposed to exist for men to look at?

    Well, yes I think that was the intention of the A. Creator, Evolution or C. Whatever.

    Women are sexy so men will procreate with them and have offspring.

    Men are wealthy, handsome, big and strong so women will procreate with them and have offspring.

    Something like that I think was the initial intention of the species.

    Most all behaviors discussed on this site in a large way or small way are a result of those drives.

    I know in all the "Good SC’s" women are there in the same proportion as males, Ha ha ha ha, scuse the hysterical laughter.

    About 30 or so years ago when the American Psychiatric association stopped treating lesbianism as a mental disorder it became fashionable for women to show outward affection and even passion for members of the same sex. This however is a very small percentage of the population as a whole somewhere between 2 and 4%.

    So I think I can state without fear of rational disagreement that, Yes sexy women primarily exist (in the context of stripperweb) for men to look at. And those that don't are properly classified as "Gonzo".

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    ive never heard of a drag king lol

    sounds umm interesting tho i spose...

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    haha
    men were created wealthy?
    haha
    HAHA

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    Not created wealthy but wealth replaces big and strong in the primal drive. Men have been around for 6 million years or so and wealth has replaced strength as a breeding positive. Hence stone ugly rich dudes get the hot young women not because the women are all about Madonna complexes but it is in their nature to provide the strongest genes for their offspring. All things considered a woman is looking for a strong, handsome nice weathy man. But one out of four will do in a pinch. Nice rich guys rarely finish last.


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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjefflina
    haha
    men were created wealthy?
    haha
    HAHA
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    bullshit

    i understand what youre saying but its all still bullshit and
    really as humans with more than the primal instinctive brain
    its time to evolve and transcend that shit
    haha
    mating is sooooooo 2000 years ago

    and youre right it is nature
    but in this world AS IS
    designed on damn near every level to keep us locked in that mental prison really keeping us half people its whats nurtured/conditioned

    rise above
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    sorry for goin off topic but not a big fan of social dar(w(anker)inism
    haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    Not created wealthy but wealth replaces big and strong in the primal drive. Men have been around for 6 million years or so and wealth has replaced strength as a breeding positive. Hence stone ugly rich dudes get the hot young women not because the women are all about Madonna complexes but it is in their nature to provide the strongest genes for their offspring. All things considered a woman is looking for a strong, handsome nice weathy man. But one out of four will do in a pinch. Nice rich guys rarely finish last.


    Some people are actually in it for love.... not money or looks. Your comments are offensive, and come off as very biased and sexist. Maybe that shit is true in the animal kingdom, but people are more complex than that. I personally could never be with someone if I didn't feel a connection with them.... not a material or sexual connection, but a mental one.

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    do you feel a mental connection with me bambi?

    haha
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    ^^^ LOL..... Ummmmm....suuuurrrre.

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    I would love to perform at something like that, it sounds like fun and it would be great to have a totally different crowd, (although i do have a few lesbian and gay customers anyway :-)
    We just had Mardi gras here in Sydney - the worlds largest lesbian and gay festival, it rocked!! I love the huge variety of people there and the fact that it's often so hard or impossible to tell who's male, who's female or who's both or anything inbetween! beauty is in the eye of the beerholder you know - you probably should have had a few!

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    Response to BambiBlue
    Some people are actually in it for love.... not money or looks. Your comments are offensive, and come off as very biased and sexist. Maybe that shit is true in the animal kingdom, but people are more complex than that. I personally could never be with someone if I didn't feel a connection with them.... not a material or sexual connection, but a mental one.
    Sexist? Hardly. I would suggest reading

    "Sex and Gender Hierarchies"

    Edited by Barbara Diane Miller University of Pittsburgh
    Strippers female in the united states
    And
    Demovic, Angela
    Strippers in New Orleans: a Preliminary Study.

    There is also a good course at the Univ of Alabama
    "Love and Its Myths in the West", Jim Hall, New College."

    Also I think worth reading is Beth Montemurro, a professor at Penn State.

    2003 Adolescent Body Image and Self-Esteem. Paper presented at the Abington College Faculty Research Seminar. April, Penn State Abington.

    2003 Beth Montemurro and Bridget McClure. "Girls Get a Night Out, Too: Social Drinking, Solidarity, and Fun at Bachelorette Parties." Paper presented at the Annual Meetings of the Eastern Sociological Society, February, Philadelphia.

    2002 "Sex Symbols: The Bachelorette Party as a Window to Social Change." Paper presented at the Annual Meetings of the American Sociological Association, August, Chicago.

    2002 "Regulars, Ringleaders, Virgins, and Wallflowers: A Typology of Women Patrons of a Male Strip Club" (With Colleen Bloom and Kelly Madell). Paper presented at the Annual Meetings of the Southern Sociological Society, April, Baltimore, Maryland.

    'It's Like and Excuse: Normalization and Neutralization of Deviant Behavior at Bachelorette Parties." Paper presented at the Annual Meetings of the Southern Sociological Society, April, Atlanta, Georgia.

    2000 "Reverse Objectification?: Watching Men Strip." Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Association, August, Washington, D.C.

    2000 "Strippers and Screamers: The Emergence of Social Control in a Non-Institutionalized Setting." Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the Southern Sociological Society, April, New Orleans, Louisiana.

    2000 " 'You Can Leave Your Hat On': The Body of the Male Stripper as Object."
    Paper Presented at the Annual Sociology Department Graduate Student
    Symposium, May, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia.


    1999 "Healthy Appetites and Sickly Obsessions? Gender Differences in
    Relation to Food." Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the
    American Sociological Association, August, Chicago, Illinois.


    I included the food stuff because food obsessions are a problem with a number of strippers I know and hope this would be a service to them.

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    Anyone who makes generalizations about an entire gender is a sexist..... just because they don't admit it doesn't mean they aren't.....


    BTW, Food is a problem for MANY people, not JUST strippers.

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    Anyone who makes generalizations about an entire gender is a sexist..... just because they don't admit it doesn't mean they aren't
    In response I checked some of Bambiblue's posts.

    Here is what I found written by Bambiblue in other posts
    Women don't need escorts, they have vibrators.
    Personally, I find it quite empowering to take a man's money knowing that he didn't have to work half as hard as I would have had to for it just because I was born a woman
    I think in general women are way pickier about what a guy does on stage then the guys are about what WE do on stage. They are also more critical if the guy doesn't have a nice body. I voted for routine and body.
    Guys can sence when your desperate.
    I never quite liked the suit and tie guy, and usually do better with the middle aged blue collars, and the construction worker types.
    I agree with the midwest being less picky about the thicker girls. But, at least in the club I work in, the bigger, less attractive girls are willing to do more than just dance
    I think the above posts contain a number of sexist generalizations.
    But her thesis is flawed. How on earth would science work if we did not generalize about gender?


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    I swear, I have never laughed so hard as I did reading marks stuff. Get thee to the emergency room fast my man you are suffering from terminal headupassitus and all that chest thumping may be damaging!! Hurry!!

    Now somewhat back on topic, males are typically visual creatures, of course they are going to look for visual beauty in order to be "pleased." The fine line comes in actually becoming a man when they realize that true beauty isnt seen by the eyes, but in the heart. Not saying there is a think wrong with seeking out visual beauty for satisfaction, I am guilty of that myself, but thats all it is a momentary satisfaction unless one can look deeper into the core of the person and what they are truly about. All the beauty in the world cant hide an ugly inside once you get to know someone.

    Can you fault those with those assets who use it to their gain? Hell no, we are all guilty of using an asset for gain whether it be physical or mental. Mark, I see you as equating wealth with attractiveness which may speak of some underlying issues you yourself have, as revealed in this one sentence "wealth replaces big and strong in the primal drive" because the primal drive is just that, its an inner thing which material things cannot realistically replace.

    Edited to add my story about a drag king thing:

    Right after I first came out it was suggested I participate in a Drag King show. I was all for it until they told me everything I would have to do in order to portray one and totally lost it laughing when the sock in the pants thing came up. Im sorry I would have felt foolish as hell walking around with a fake bulge like I was "da man" so I refused to do the show.


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    sorry but the whole rich men/pretty women theory is a joke. there's no way of knowing if it's biological or social. it has no support other than ad hoc arguments. that's the problem with evolutionary biology: you can take any current social trend and make up a fancy excuse for it. that's like taking an old version of a Bible and trying to reinterpret it in the context of 2005, like saying each "day" was 1 billion years. Yeah it might be true that that's what the Bible meant all along, but there's no way of knowing if it is.

    also, breeding is not the ultimate end of human survival even within the theory. not every individual is put on this earth to find a mate and breed. sometimes people not being able to breed or choosing not to is still conducive to survival because it prevents against overpopulation. again this is an explanation made after the fact of seeing the current situation.

    it doesn't even matter, because people should still make their own decisions regardless. there's no proof that anyone was specifically put on earth for anyone else. a pretty woman can hook up with a poor ugly girl and make her rich if that's how she chooses to live.

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    A poor ugly guy gets about as much attention in a strip club as in life and that isn’t much.

    From Slate:


    Modern econometricians know more precisely. In their published research, Professors Daniel Hamermesh and Jeff Biddle estimate that if you're perceived as beautiful, you probably earn about 5 percent more than your ordinary-looking counterparts.

    As beauty is rewarded, so ugliness is penalized. Ugly women earn about 5 percent less than other women

    white women—suffer more for being fat. In a paper from last year, Professor John Cawley found that an extra 65 pounds typically cost a white woman 7 percent of her wages. To put this another way, if you're a seriously overweight white woman, losing 65 pounds is likely to be as lucrative as an extra year of college or three extra years of work experience

    Ugly women tend to attract the lowest quality husbands (as measured by educational achievement or earnings potential). The effect is not symmetric, though: Beautiful women do no better on the marriage market than average women. For men, looks don't seem to affect marriage prospects at all.

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    Dear Mark,
    Get BENT!!!

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    Dear Bambi,

    The thought put into your last remark and the quality of your response even though they are in disagreement with my thesis are a tribute to your gender, education and formidable intellect.

    Brava!

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    Dear Mark,

    I suggest YOU read Pierre Bourdeau's Masculine Domination and Janice Stockhards Marriage In Culture. Perhaps expanding your drag experiences would help as well.

    Lena



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