Spain's leading Islamic body has issued a religious order declaring Osama bin Laden to have forsaken Islam
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...rc=rss/topNews
Spain's leading Islamic body has issued a religious order declaring Osama bin Laden to have forsaken Islam
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...rc=rss/topNews





incidentally, this is the FIRST official condemnation of Bin Laden's activities by an actual Muslim religious authority.
Actually no it is not the first. Lots if not most of Muslim groups have denouced terrorist like Osama and terrorist activities. This one just happened to make international news because of the Madrid anniversary.
Last edited by AmericanDreams; 03-12-2005 at 12:37 PM.
Newtonian Third Law of fatwas.
For every fatwa there is an equal and opposite Fatwa.





Well not sure if this will make much of a difference to Osama but possibly this will get the Muslim community to speak out a bit for those who oppose him . Most I think are just too worried what the end result of opposition will be for them and ther families.





Technically speaking, this is the FIRST instance where a group with actual Muslim religious authority has officially condemned Bin Laden's agenda. Granted various Muslim groups and leaders have given lip service to this effect in the past, but these groups and leaders were political and/or non-authoritative from a Muslim religious standpoint, and it was basically understood by Muslims in general that their lip service was exactly that.Actually no it is not the first. Lots if not most of Muslim groups have denouced terrorist like Osama and terrorist activities
This law only appears to apply in Spain. I wouldn't ask the Dutch Muslims, for example (at least not without wearing a bullet-proof vest)!Newtonian Third Law of fatwas.
For every fatwa there is an equal and opposite Fatwa.
Sorry, but that just is flat out not true and incorrect.Technically speaking, this is the FIRST instance where a group with actual Muslim religious authority has officially condemned Bin Laden's agenda. Granted various Muslim groups and leaders have given lip service to this effect in the past, but these groups and leaders were political and/or non-authoritative from a Muslim religious standpoint, and it was basically understood by Muslims in general that their lip service was exactly that.
http://islam.about.com/cs/currenteve...statements.htm





not meaning to be irritating, but if you look at the sources of the lip service pronouncements you won't find a single authoritative Muslim religious denunciation of Bin Laden ... as I said earlier ALL of the sources are either political or from some non-authoritative group ...
"Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS - Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:
Abdel-Mo'tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy, Cairo, Egypt:
Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition Islamist group in Egypt
Shaykh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, spiritual guide of Shi‘i Muslim radicals in Lebanon" ... and on and on
Muslim scholars and politicians do not an authoritative Muslim religious denunciation make - or to make a Christian religion analogy The Pope of Rome and the Rev. Al Sharpton do not carry equal weight when it comes to 'official' Christian church pronouncements, despite the fact that Rev. Al attempted to run for president.
Of course the credibility of the entire group is cast in shadow by the inclusion of HAMAS, who you and the author are apparently claiming has denunciated Bin Laden in between terrorist attacks of their own making ! ? ! ? .
from my read the ONLY listed reference which actually comes close to officially denunciating Bin Laden in authoritative Muslim religious terms is ...
Council of Saudi ‘Ulama', fatwa of February 2003:
"What is happening in some countries from the shedding of the innocent blood and the bombing of buildings and ships and the destruction of public and private installations is a criminal act against Islam. ... Those who carry out such acts have the deviant beliefs and misleading ideologies and are responsible for the crime. Islam and Muslims should not be held responsible for such actions."
... which did not have the 'balls' to refer to Bin Laden by name, and whose somewhat stated purpose appears to be distancing Islam and Muslims in general from the anonymous perpetrators of 'criminal acts'.
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Last edited by Melonie; 03-13-2005 at 07:26 PM.
Searching through older threads I found this one. I felt I had to respond.
Allow me to point out here that there is no such thing as a "Muslim religious authority". At least, not today.
In the early days of Islam, the leadership of the Muslim world rested solely in the hands of the Prophet Muhummad. After him, it passed through the Four Righteous Caliphs - Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali, in that order - however, after Ali's death, the Muslim world was split along various dynastic lines - Umayyad, Abbasid, etc. with no "central authority" resting in the hands of any one group or person. Typically, Muslims today rely on local leaders, known as "imams" or "sheikhs" for guidance, not to a figure hundreds or thousands of miles away. Even among Shiah (not "Shiite") Muslims, who have a more centralised structure than Sunnis, this is the case.
Muslims follow the teachings of their particular school of thought, whether it be among the Sunnis: Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i or Hanafi; or, among the Shiah Muslims: Akhbari or Usuli. Scholars from any school of thought may, or may not, be listened to by followers of another. Sunni scholars enjoy good levels of acceptance, whatever their school of thought, as do Shiah scholars. But, Sunnis pay no attention to Shiah rulings and vice versa.
As there is no universal authority among the Muslims, expecting a central authority to issue any kind of condemnation is a waste of time. There is no "Muslim Pope", for lack of a better term.
I have often heard of the "thundering silence" of the Muslim comunity in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, despite the widespread condemnation of the attacks from Muslim groups around the world after them.
I am forced to ask: What exactly do non-Muslims want from Muslims?
Condemn terrorism? They did that. So, what's next?
I have a relative who is a Muslim convert, pose a question and I will forward it to him. I know a little about the religion and I often go to him when I have questions of my own.
Mel, you have said that none of the previous pronouncements were from religious authorities, but where did you get that info? Many of them look like authoritative figures (at least in their regions/nations) to me (uninitiated to Islam)..I'm curious where your info comes from.
I like the point that Duane makes...or repeats from another post. Makes alot of sense.
Either way, Osama HAS BEEN DENOUNCED by many Muslim groups - whether it's not a "religious authority" is somewhat irrelevant. It's like scholars, elders, and others of the Catholic faith denouncing the actions of their bad apples before the Vatican did. The Vatican has more power, but those other groups (and ones I can't think of) carry substantial weight.
Bottom line: Terrorism is NOT protected by Allah, no more than KKK and other hateful things done in the name of Christianity are protected by that faith. (note the word is faith, which is spiritual - not religion, which is a human construct)
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