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    The first time in a while PETA has gotten press for something really useful. Unfortunately, with the dwindling habitat and limited support for conservation zoos may be the only places animals are safe to live soon.

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    Personally, I've never understood why such a radical organization as PETA is considered mainstream. Thier support for the animal rights terrorists is inexcusable, expecially when they claim to be non-violent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    The first time in a while PETA has gotten press for something really useful. Unfortunately, with the dwindling habitat and limited support for conservation zoos may be the only places animals are safe to live soon.
    But really, zoos aren't "safe" environments for animals.

    As for PETA, I'm a proud member. I have never participated in any violent demonstrations. PETA has actually taken a turn in the other direction, encouraging other forms of protest. For example, this year was the first non-"bloody" year at NY Fashion Week. Instead of buckets of red paint to protest the use of fur in fashion lines, PETA had a no-kill designer participate.



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    They should work on the circus first.

    Teaching an elephant to stand on it's head seems a bit unnatural, at least zoos TRY to let the damn thing be an elephant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    As for PETA, I'm a proud member. I have never participated in any violent demonstrations. PETA has actually taken a turn in the other direction, encouraging other forms of protest. For example, this year was the first non-"bloody" year at NY Fashion Week. Instead of buckets of red paint to protest the use of fur in fashion lines, PETA had a no-kill designer participate.
    But PETA still refuses to condemn the terrorist actions of the animal rights crowd. In fact, since PETA raises money for their legal defense fund, you could say that PETA actually encourages these criminal acts.

    As a PETA member, perhaps you could answer one question for me. I have heard that PETA favors the outlawing of the private ownership of pets (dogs, cats etc.), comparing that to slavery. I searched PETA's website and could not find the answer so perhaps you can answer. Is PETA against the ownerhips of pets?
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    If PETA managed to get people to drop domesicated animals, cows and chickens would be ass out. When was the last time you saw a Cow in the wild? Cats could make it, but Dogs would have a rougher time, domesticated dogs never really mature emotionally (after a few generations they could probably manage though).

    I agree with PETA on a lot of stuff (humane treatment of animals is a definite plus), but the kookier stuff i have trouble with (No way in hell could i ever go vegan, and if you somehow asked my dogs if they wanted to leave my home you'd probably get bit). A lot of them are "agenda" vegetarians, too. Which i find annoying. But stuff like raising animals for the specific purpose of killing them for their FUR is ridiculous and shoud be outlawed, i'm with PETA 100% on that one. Leather is fine because other parts of the cow are used. Anyone eat any Mink recently?

    Honestly i don't know what to make of PETA. Sometimes they are lucid and make a lot of sense, other times they seem like crazies.

    Oh, and under no circumstance would i ever give up my steaks, burgers, thanksgiving turkeys, etc...

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    I agree with Madcap..also about the circus part. It is a tad unnatural to see that sort of thing, heh.

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    PETA is odd...alot of good ideas, some BAD ones, and strange execution. They don't write checks to animal-rights terrorists, but do provide some support....

    I like some of their work, but often refer to them with non-profits as an example of "good intentions going off track" and why mission monitoring and review is crucial

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    They're giving animals anti-depressants? Lord.....when people live in mental cages, they get put on anti-depressants. Now exotic animals in real cages are given drugs too. What a world.
    This situation might solve itself- many zoos are closing because of not enough local government money or visitor traffic to keep them open. The Chaffee Zoo in Fresno CA will probably be closed within five years. Maybe the only zoos left will be in large metropolitan areas, and the need for more space and higher animal turnover can be addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    But really, zoos aren't "safe" environments for animals..
    Not entirely....but alot safer than living in the wild while another species (us) is killing off your habitat and food


    that's a big reason I want too protect the zoos.......they aren't perfect but alot of zoos are "permanent" homes for species that are dwindling or extinct in the wild.

    We keep killing off habitats AND eliminate zoos soon we're a 1 species planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    But PETA still refuses to condemn the terrorist actions of the animal rights crowd. In fact, since PETA raises money for their legal defense fund, you could say that PETA actually encourages these criminal acts.

    As a PETA member, perhaps you could answer one question for me. I have heard that PETA favors the outlawing of the private ownership of pets (dogs, cats etc.), comparing that to slavery. I searched PETA's website and could not find the answer so perhaps you can answer. Is PETA against the ownerhips of pets?

    No, PETA isn't against the ownership of domesticated animals. Exotics, yes, I believe they do not support that, but as far as "regular" pets, they encourage responsible pet ownership.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    No, PETA isn't against the ownership of domesticated animals. Exotics, yes, I believe they do not support that, but as far as "regular" pets, they encourage responsible pet ownership.
    Owning exotics is asking for it anyhow. Take those mental giants that buy Tiger cubs, for instance. That adorable little furbal ends up growing into a 500lb ball of teeth and what the hell do you do with it then?

    And, frankly, i think people should have to get a licence to 'own' a pet Complete with a small training course that costs MONEY. This would scare off the impulse pet owners, and to make sure the person understands the commitment they are making both of time (Having to take a few hours on a saturday to learn how to take care of an animal) and cash (The cost of said training course) later down the road. A license that can be revoked at the first sign of cruelty or instability (I.E. that person with the 200 cats who never leaves the house).

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    I would fuck someone up on the street if they tossed blood or red paint on me or mine,just because we were wearing fur or leather coats.
    The ass whippin they would get would be justified,and in the eyes of the law,self defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Owning exotics is asking for it anyhow. Take those mental giants that buy Tiger cubs, for instance. That adorable little furbal ends up growing into a 500lb ball of teeth and what the hell do you do with it then?

    And, frankly, i think people should have to get a licence to 'own' a pet Complete with a small training course that costs MONEY. This would scare off the impulse pet owners, and to make sure the person understands the commitment they are making both of time (Having to take a few hours on a saturday to learn how to take care of an animal) and cash (The cost of said training course) later down the road. A license that can be revoked at the first sign of cruelty or instability (I.E. that person with the 200 cats who never leaves the house).
    Perfectly said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I would fuck someone up on the street if they tossed blood or red paint on me or mine,just because we were wearing fur or leather coats.
    The ass whippin they would get would be justified,and in the eyes of the law,self defense.
    Yup, because you need to defend yourself from a bit of paint. Paint is life-threatening force, y'know.



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    Logically, fur isn't the problem - if the fur came from humanely treated animals or properly hunted wild animals it wouldnt be nearly so bad.

    If the animal that gave its fur or skin was completely used (mink wearers, where did the meat go?) that would be natural....more natural than poisonous "Pleather" outfits that are actually poisonous PVC plastic.

    Not that I'm a fan of fur (only wear fur if its still breathing) but fake leather/fur isn't perfect either.

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    I agree with Maad on this one; that the circus animals should go before the zoo animals.

    I volunteer at my local zoo and humane society both. Everyone in both orginazations are compassionate about animals are genuinely care about their welfare.

    Now as for PETA; don't get me started! (No offense Hard!)

    I eat animals, I own animals, I wear animal goods (leather, silk, wool, FUR), and I hunt animals. As long as the animals are treated and raised and killed humanely, there's really nothing to complain about. IMO.

    I don't agree with mistreating animals, but I see no problem killing them to eat or to better your situation (ie. a new coat to keep warm, or shoes for your feet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Yup, because you need to defend yourself from a bit of paint. Paint is life-threatening force, y'know.
    Well, I'm not caught up in the animal rights debate, but I rather imagine that maliciously throwing paint on someone would be vandalism at best and assault at worse. Generally, a criminal act doesn't get excused by, "It's not life-threatening."

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    i agree they should start on helping circus animals. the zoo animals are treated a lot better.

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    I'm with Kitana on the whole "animal rights" issue in general.
    On the subject of zoos: I'm not crazy about them; I think it's more crucial to protect habitat that can support viable wild populations representing as much biodiversity as possible. However, these days most of the big zoos are involved in valuable conservation efforts. I also think zoos serve the important function of allowing urban kids to experience wildlife in a way that may inspire them to care about conservation later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    Well, I'm not caught up in the animal rights debate, but I rather imagine that maliciously throwing paint on someone would be vandalism at best and assault at worse. Generally, a criminal act doesn't get excused by, "It's not life-threatening."
    I was just responding in a playful tone to BigGreen's "I'd fuck someone up" comment. As much as I'd LOVE to dump red dye all over J LO's head when she's wearing one of her coats, I do not participate in criminal or violent acts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    I agree with Maad on this one; that the circus animals should go before the zoo animals.

    I volunteer at my local zoo and humane society both. Everyone in both orginazations are compassionate about animals are genuinely care about their welfare.

    Now as for PETA; don't get me started! (No offense Hard!)

    I eat animals, I own animals, I wear animal goods (leather, silk, wool, FUR), and I hunt animals. As long as the animals are treated and raised and killed humanely, there's really nothing to complain about. IMO.

    I don't agree with mistreating animals, but I see no problem killing them to eat or to better your situation (ie. a new coat to keep warm, or shoes for your feet).

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    No offense taken!! I understand most people can't side with PETA, for many reasons. It really doesn't bother me a bit!

    I respect someone like you, who hunts and understands where and how animal products come from a hell of a lot more than someone who says "eww" to hunting but can't see the connection when they are eating their steak dinner. Y'know what I mean? It's all about the appreciation of life to me. I personally could never bring myself to hunt and kill, so I don't just skip that part and dig in to the finished product.

    Back to zoos......

    Zoos will NEVER be banned, mostly because they do contribute to conservation and preservation. While I accept that, I do think that smaller zoos are the issue. The small city zoos that have their focus on human entertainment versus purposes supporting animals and the environment are the ones that need to be shut down. For example, there is no reason that the Tucson Zoo should keep a POLAR BEAR. I know parents like to take their kids to see the bear, but really. Keeping a polar bear in 110F so kids can tap at the glass is fucked up.



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    I think are animal rights related issues that need attention better than the treatment of animals in zoos. I'd just as soon the activists turn their emphasis on stopping things like puppy mills and canned hunting operations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Keeping a polar bear in 110F so kids can tap at the glass is fucked up.
    Very good point. If a Zoo wants a polar bear, they need to shill out a couple mil for a big freezer for it to live in or just skip it.

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    i am dissapointed in peta.. I am not quite sure what they do to help animal suffering. all i ever hear about them doing are crazy things, or concerning themselves with 'silk worms' or lobster tanks. Give me a break.
    People are fighting dogs over here, torturing cats in the name of "art" , and selling puppies on the side of the road for a few extra bucks. Why don't they do something about that ???
    Yes some conditions of zoos are completely fucked up though, but peta isn't going to help -- no one takes them seriously anymore which is a shame.

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