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    I have a question for the dancers. I'd really appreciate your opinions on
    this.

    I have a favorite at this one club I go to every few weeks, who I really
    enjoy talking to. The next time in, I want to spend some extra time with
    her, in the club, just talking. Before you ask - No, I'm not looking for
    anything OTC and I have no delusions that she thinks of me as anything more
    than a customer. It's fairly complicated, so just trust me that I simply
    need to talk a bit. I may also get a few dances later.

    Of course I know this will take up her time and hence, potential earnings
    from dances with other customers, and I don't want to reduce her potential
    income. So my question is: How can I figure what's fair compensation for
    her time? I definitely can't pay by the song (i.e., $20 every 3-4 minutes),
    and I don't think that's fair anyway, since she certainly wouldn't be
    earning nonstop if I weren't with her. This will be a week night, and the
    club is generally fairly slow anyway (she's been complaining about that
    herself). Plus, she normally spends time talking to me anyway, before doing
    any dances.

    Trying to take all these factors into account, what do you think is fair?

    Definitely getting the PL vibe here, but them's the breaks.
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    $150 for 30 minutes is what I require so that we don't have to think about song increment. Anything less isn't acceptable. Its not up to you to decide whether she would be dancing consistently without you or not. Opportunity cost must be taken into consideration.

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    I agree with Katrine. I do not bother with customers who do not buy dances or tip me for conversation. Please tip her at least $100/30 minutes or she will put her paying customers first.

    I hate it when customers come in just to talk to me. Hate, hate, hate because I loose money for every song that is played while they are talking and yes, I do count. I am not greedy or money-hungry. I'm just at work. I'm not there to socialize.

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    enjoy the talking part as well. normally i go on slow days. she generally talk to me for about 15-20 minutes or untill the conversion dies. then i'll ask back then.

    lately it's been more about the talking part than the dancing part.
    i keep doing the dances to keep her talking.
    but i also do fun little bonus things that i pick up on during the conversion.
    been feeding her southpark epsoides. and fun little scienfic facts that she can use on her friends. funny t shirts she can use at work. anything within reason i can do.

    had i not started the talking part. i would go alot less often. i would of never
    fould her great mind. glad i fould it made her that much more attractive.

    i feel for ya man. if she feels it is unfair she'll let you know.

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    On a slow weekday afternoon or evening in a club that doesn't count dances to take a cut, I pay favorites $140/hour for hugs/talk/dances on a sofa. It's easy money.

    In the last six years, I've had one dancer mention opportunity costs, so we indexed payment to the performance of a dancer who made more money overall. I paid $100/hour that day.

    I would never go to a club on a busy night, especially one that counts dances and takes a cut, but that's just me.

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    I have favorites that I dont charge to just talk. That's just me though. Some guys I charge per song, some I charge a flat rate. 100 for an hour if I dont think they'll stay all night, or 200-300 for the night to spend my time with JUST them.
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    wow i slip a few $20's over to them each hour and they never leave.. guess it depends on the club

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    It really does depend on the club, day or night of the week and, of course, the dancer. My retired ATF and I where and still are best friends but when she was dancing I bought x number of dances and we would spend about 30 minutes chating after we where done, then it was back to work. Even on a slow day you have to keep hustling if you are going to make any real money.

    On the other hand, one of the clubs I currently go to takes a 50% cut on no-contact table dances. It's a neighborhood bar and not many guys do privates. Instead of doing dances, I tip my favs the price of 3 or 4 dances-they get to keep all of the money and, honestly, if I just want to ogle them I can do that at the stage. This investment will keep them sitting with me for an hour or so and they make more money than they probably would have working the floor for PD's.

    IMHO, There's nothing PL about paying a lady for her time when she is at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosis
    wow i slip a few $20's over to them each hour and they never leave.. guess it depends on the club
    And you're right. Talking for a hour and handing over say 3 $20's for the hour is very do-able for many dancers.

    I was the kind of person who would talk with a regular (yes even a regular of mine) and let him know i need to make $$, so he needs to pay for our down time together as well. They did. $100 for 30 minutes is a fair price for just chit chat. After that it's over if he does not pay for the next 30 min.

    New guys they got 15 minutes at times to see if they wanted a dance from me or not, after that i was gone. But would return later and hit em up again! Most of the time it worked, as i never walked away mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincyguy
    So my question is: How can I figure what's fair compensation for her time? I definitely can't pay by the song (i.e., $20 every 3-4 minutes),
    and I don't think that's fair anyway, since she certainly wouldn't be
    earning nonstop if I weren't with her. This will be a week night, and the
    club is generally fairly slow anyway (she's been complaining about that
    herself). Plus, she normally spends time talking to me anyway, before doing
    any dances.
    I say make an offer for about 1/4 to 1/2 of what dances will cost, and see if she accepts. If you're the best deal that she has going at the moment, more than likely she'll take you up on it.

    Just realize that at any moment, someone could come in and "outbid" you, or the place may suddenly get busy, in which case she's well within reason to seek out a more lucrative target.
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    I personally think $200/hr is very reasonable - largely because it costs at least that much in any club that has a structure supporting conversation time. So, offer her $100.00 for 1/2 hour and see if she takes it - she will probably ask for a little more.
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    It's so weird that this topic came up because that is something that had never really happened to me before. Last week some guy asked me how much to just talk up in the vip section. I had him pay me $100/hour because it wasn't real busy and I wouldn't have been able to get dances anyways. Then the next hour showed up and I let him know if he was going to stay then he would need to pay me for my time again, so he did and then he asked me if I would make out with him because he had paid me so much. JERK. Luckily the bouncer came up and told him to not fall in love and that was the end of it. I then told him that if he was going to be drunk and handsy he needed to give me a little more for a babysitting fee and he ended up giving me $40. After our hour was up, I left. Other girls came up and tried to get into his wallet and he was so trashed by then. I went to the door girl and had her call him a cab, I was paid to babysit, and let him know and he was thankful. I kind of like that situation 'cause I love talking to people.

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    I would just go at a time when things are not very busy, dayshift preferably. Find some girl that is really talkative and doesn't seem very busy, tell her you want dances but would like to hang out for awhile first, and have a drink with her maybe. Then, after you've hung out for awhile, pay her by buying a couple of dances. You can talk to her while she's dancing, they're really versatile like that. I think that's more economical than just paying for conversation.
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    Cincyguy, if you want her with you exclusively, youre going to have to pay her some amount similar to what she could earn working the floor. Like JZ says, that amount will vary club to club and city to city.

    When I see Miss D at my club, we usually hang out the first two hours of her shift, having some drinks and b/s'ing with the other dancers that float by my table. No dances take place but thats my choice. I pay her $100 every visit. While that amount will seem low to some of you, there are other nuances to the relationship that make her ROI acceptable overall. If that were not the case, Im sure the cost would jump to $200-300 for that same 2 hour block of time.

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    I'm agreeing with the others who say $140/hr. I only work Saturdays and I make quite a bit of money. I rarely talk to the men who come in since it wouldn't be financially responsible for me to do so. I am very busy when I'm there, so I am constantly on the floor doing dances. Also, I really don't have a lot to say to most people because I want to work, not make friends. I don't have regulars often because they always expect to get more for less money in the end. I do best just jumping around.
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    It depends on the customer. If it is a fave customer of mine who has always taken care of me, then I won't charge him a dime just to chat with me, provided he understands that if I have "a hot one", I gotta run and I might not make it back. If it is a newbie customer who just wants to talk, I'll do $100-150/hr.


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    Thanks, everybody, for all your feedback. I realy appreciate it. Such a great forum.

    As many of you have said, this varies from city to city and from one dancer to another.

    Katrine, I think your club is a lot busier and higher paying than this one.

    Cecil, you're right - good talk definitely adds to the SC experience.

    SW, yeah, I wouldn't even try this on a busy night.

    Paige, my gut feeling is that my dancer in question has an attitude similar too yours. She and I have spent a fair amount of time talking in the past with no money except for dances.

    Artemis, thanks for the "local" perspective.

    And Chloe, I think it's hilarious (though I'm sure you didn't) that this idiot thought he had a right to make out with you.

    So here's what I think I'll do: Offer her $100 to stay and talk for an hour. She'll have to do shifts at stage dances during that time, and at this club, like most in Portland, a lot of the private dances are "sold" at the tip line. So if she dances on stage and gets a dance (or more) from somebody, that's fine, as long as she comes back to me afterward. Of course, there's the chance that somebody could but a LOT of dances, but that's the chance I take. I'm pretty confident that she won't short me too much. Of course, the $100 doesn't include any dances that I might buy, which would be additional money.

    Having said all that, I still might change my mind about the whole thing. I want to talk to her because her conversation is intelligent and interesting, and she seemed to enjoy talking to me in the past. (BTW, The background here is that she's been talking about quitting, and I may not be traveling much longer, so this may be the last time I see her and I'd like some quality time. Very touching, huh?). But knowing how good some dancers are at playing the customers, I'm wondering if it just seems that way. I don't mind compensating her for opportunity costs, but the idea of actually paying her just to talk to me is disturbing, since it does make me feel like a PL. There is a diffence between these two situations, though it's subtle. The uncertainty goes to the very basis of this whole business.

    So... maybe I'm taking this way to seriously. If it's all just a fantasy anyway, maybe I should just be crass and spend all my money on dances! Ain't this business interesting? LOL
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    I usually rotate between buying the girls with me, followed by dances and then back to the bar, keeping my burn rate between $100 and $200 per hour inclusive.

    For busy places like Kat is talking about (like the last time I was at SR Vegas, for example), that's just not realistic for anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cincyguy
    I don't mind compensating her for opportunity costs, but the idea of actually paying her just to talk to me is disturbing, since it does make me feel like a PL.
    For God's sake, why would you say something like that? Good talk is the sexiest foreplay you will ever experience.

    My home club is a no-lap show bar. That means no lap dances at all.

    Last night I had the entire lineup at my table at some point throughout the night. Usually this meant six girls at any one time, with as many as eight crowded around the table. We were all reading aloud print-outs of the SW "you may be a dancer if...." threads and doing loads of shots. The dancers were screaming with laughter and applause on reading the list (gave me the opportunity to promote SW again). About halfway through the night, one dancer took off my new tie I had just bought and fashioned a g-string for another dancer and then took me by the hand over to the stage for the show. It was an amazing performance.

    On the way home, three different dancers called me to relate events in their lives and set up events later in the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincyguy
    Thanks, everybody, for all your feedback. I realy appreciate it. Such a great forum.


    Katrine, I think your club is a lot busier and higher paying than this one.
    Nah....just a combination of highballing and wishful thinking. Best of luck to you!

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    I don't think I've ever paid a girl directly for conversation, but if a girl sits and talks with me for any length of time I will buy her drinks and perhaps something to eat, I will end up buying a bunch of private dances, and I will usually tip her well at the end of all that. So I guess it amounts to the same thing. But I don't think I'd ever offer her a fixed amount of money per hour just to sit and talk, that would seem strange to me.
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    Wow!! I wish my regular customer would read these posts.He thinks he's being generous if he tips me $20 an hour.I guess I'm the stupid one for sitting with him.But I work in a small club that isn't very busy on the weekdays and I try to take what I can get. I know this guy makes over100k a year so he is just being cheap.Whenever I mention that he should tip me more he gets all defensive and goes on and on about our friendship and asks if he's just a customer to me or a friend.He's been coming to see me for a little over 2 yrs. I guess it's time to cut him off!

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    Youre only getting 20 bucks an hour because he thinks youre his friend. Either that or he recognizes the club is slow and figures hes your only option. I enjoy a good deal as much as the next guy but this guy embarrasses even me Sounds to me like you need to somehow steer him back to business. If you start working some of the other guys maybe he'll up the ante a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FONDL
    I don't think I've ever paid a girl directly for conversation, but if a girl sits and talks with me for any length of time I will buy her drinks and perhaps something to eat, I will end up buying a bunch of private dances, and I will usually tip her well at the end of all that. So I guess it amounts to the same thing. But I don't think I'd ever offer her a fixed amount of money per hour just to sit and talk, that would seem strange to me.
    That's pretty much where I was coming from with my earlier comment. It does seem a little strange to me. As I said, there's a subtle difference between directly paying for conversation and making up for the income she is losing by just sitting there with you.
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    I've personally never set a talk rate, but there are plenty of guys who buy time in VIP to talk. Y'know?



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