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    Virginity pledges don't reduce rates of STDs, study finds
    By JILL MAHONEY
    Saturday, March 19, 2005 Page A10
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    Young adults who take "virginity pledges" have similar rates of sexually transmitted diseases as their peers, according to a new study that debunks the effectiveness of a major element of the abstinence movement.

    The research also found that virginity pledges -- usually public, signed statements linked with schools, community groups or churches in which adolescents promise to delay having sex until marriage -- may even encourage high-risk sexual behaviour, as those who make the pledge are less likely to use condoms and seek treatment for STDs.

    "Advocates for abstinence-only education assert that premarital abstinence and postmarital sex are necessary and sufficient for avoiding negative consequences of sexual activity, such as STDs," says the study, published yesterday in the Journal of Adolescent Health. "This assertion collides with the realities of adolescents' and young adults' lives."

    Lead author Hannah Bruckner, a sociology professor at Yale University, said in an interview that the findings indicate abstinence-only education isn't sufficient to prevent teenagers from contracting STDs.

    "It can't be enough because eventually, even the most abstinent adolescents, the great majority of them will have sex. . . . We need to provide education that helps in dealing with it when they do it."

    Since pledgers are later to engage in sexual activity, have fewer partners and marry earlier, Prof. Bruckner and the study's co-author, Peter Bearman of Columbia University, expected to find lower STD rates among that part of the population (about 12 per cent of all U.S. adolescents).

    However, they discovered that young adults who claimed to be virgins were in fact having premarital sexual contact.

    The researchers' analysis of 11,471 adolescents is drawn from the U.S. National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which is a representative study of students enrolled in Grades 7 to 12 in 1995, as well as in a follow-up survey in 2001-2002, when participants, who were then 18 to 24, were tested for STDs.

    Although many avoided vaginal intercourse to "technically preserve their virginity," Prof. Bruckner said, they were more likely than their counterparts to have oral and anal sex, and to do so without condoms.

    "If [pledgers] do have sex, they go into this experience with the idea that, 'Oh nothing can protect me anyway, so why even bother to think about uncomfortable stuff and gross stuff like condoms.' That's the problem."

    As a result, those who took virginity pledges had similar rates of STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea, as their counterparts who did not vow to remain virgins until marriage. Of the non-pledgers, 6.9 per cent had STDs, compared with 4.6 per cent of those who did pledge their virginity. (The difference is not statistically valid because it is lower than the margin-of-error estimate, Prof. Bruckner said.)

    Another reason behind the findings may be that parents and doctors and other health professionals believe discussing contraceptives and STD tests is unnecessary with those who make virginity pledges.

    As well, such adolescents "might just not perceive their risk in the right terms," she said. They also have a compelling reason to keep their activities secret.

    "If young people take a public virginity pledge to remain virgins until marriage, having sex before marriage means that they break their pledge. Thus, sexually-active pledgers have a greater incentive than non-pledgers to hide that they are having sex," the study says.

    (Because some abstinence groups allow the participation of non-virgins, some may have contracted STDs before pledging abstinence. However, the researchers found the non-virgins did not alone account for the STD rates.)

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    I think those people who advocate teaching abstinence only in HS are deluding themselves. I knew girls in my HS that did anal so preserve their "virginity" and I was like, you stupid moron, you're not a virgin any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyez
    I think those people who advocate teaching abstinence only in HS are deluding themselves. I knew girls in my HS that did anal so preserve their "virginity" and I was like, you stupid moron, you're not a virgin any more.

    Anyway....
    I totally agree. I think schools should teach abstinence, but they should also teach about using condoms, birth control, etc. Some teenagers are going to have sex no matter what people say, so it's better that they're smart about it and use protection than wind up with an STD or unwanted pregnancy. There is a Catholic high school in my hometown and I know they only teach abstinence (my sister went there). Lots of girls from that school became pregnant either during high school or immediately after high school, just as many or more than at the public high school I attended. When I was in high school, they taught us about abstinence, but they also taught us about safe sex. I think that people who only want to teach abstinence are being unrealistic, because teens these days are having sex at younger ages than ever before.

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    Teens who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of sex that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of 12,000 adolescents suggests.

    The report by Yale and Columbia University researchers could help explain their earlier findings that teens who pledged abstinence are just as likely to have STDs as their peers.

    The latest study, published in the April issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health, found that teens pledging virginity until marriage are more likely to have oral and anal sex than other teens who have not had intercourse. That behavior, however, “puts you at risk,” said Hannah Brueckner, assistant professor of sociology at Yale and one of the study’s authors.

    Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge.

    The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the researchers found.

    Data for the study was taken from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. An in-school questionnaire was given to a nationally representative sample of students in grades 7-12 and followed up with a series of in-home interviews roughly one, two, and six years later. It was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

    Millions of teens have signed written pledges or verbally promised to abstain from sex, part of a church-led effort to discourage premarital sex and the spread of disease.

    Critics say that education needs to be coupled with safe-sex education to be effective.

    “If adolescents only had sex in monogamous, married relationships, by definition there would be no STDs,” Brueckner said, echoing remarks in last year’s State of the Union address. “But the majority of adolescents don’t live like that. They do have sex.”

    Last year, the same research team found that 88 percent of teens who pledge abstinence end up having sex before marriage



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    I believe that they should be taught about abstinence, condoms, and other birth control also. They should know all of their choices.

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    i dated one of those girls back in HS that would only do anal, so she'd "still be a virgin for her husband". i wasn't complaining, nope. no sir.
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    Oh lord, I thought the "technical virgin" site was a joke! http://www.technicalvirgin.com/
    LOL. I do feel kind of bad for them, because the abstinence programs bash condoms and birth control so much that teens basically feel like "why should I use protection anyway?" Now, granted, I do think teens should be aware that failure rates are very real, and that if you're not prepared for a possible pregnancy [I didn't say 'be prepared to raise a kid,' note] you shouldn't be having sex, but lowering your chances isn't a bad idea.
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    ha! i'd forgotten all about technicalvirgin.com. "that's why I have anal sex!"
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    What a STUPID STUPID STUPID site for teens. Look at their message, do anal sex or do gay/les sex if you are gonna do any.

    This is a better one for teens - http://www.scarleteen.com/
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    Oh dear......are these girls thinking clearly? Until today I thought that Pro-Scurvy was the dumbest thing I had read on the internet. I guess that honor now goes to www.technicalvirgin.com what's next????

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    I don't see what's wrong with a person setting his own boundaries and saying they'll do certain sexual activities but not others. It's not easy when you've been brainwashed for about two decades of your life through media, religion, school, family to save yourself for marriage and then all of a sudden the message changes when you hit 18,19. Of course people are going to be scared to take the plunge and they'll also be scared not to.

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    If you read all the technical virgin site, it IS a joke, as is the Pro-Scurvy site. I was just mentioning it because I didn't honestly think someone would take it seriously, but apparently they have!

    I don't have a problem with setting boundaries either, but I think the whole "I'm going to be PURE and virginal until marriage but have unprotected anal and oral sex because that's okay" is moronic.
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    Yaynal!

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    Parents and school should provide guidence mixed with honesty they are gonna do what they please when your not looking most likely at least give them the tools or advice that will keep them safe . If you tell them no dont do it chances are they will do it , just like you did !

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    I am a virgin actually still probably will for a long time too


    For me the way I was raised it seemed more to do with parental supervision. And how restrictive my mom was and the fact that she didn't have boyfriends it kind of prevented the interest in losing it which is why it has dragged on so long. Plus for me guys never get me. They assume I want a relationship if I'm interested. When I hardly have any desire to actually date. Usually. It's the way I was raised I don't feel that. And then the other fact that I'm highly vain/picky. And then I'm also a tomboy and hang around a lot of gay guys. So it's kind of dragged on for a lot of reasons in general. And plus I'm always thinking of risk factors. Plus I've always been ansy about losing virginity because it probably will hurt so to me it has to be a reason that's actually worth it,

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