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    I get "creep alert" whenever i hear something about her hubby. He called her fat for one thing. FAT.

    You don't ever call your wife fat. Your wife loves you.

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    Looks like we are continuing to move towards a krytocracy... government by judges.
    See this link for an example:
    http://www.supremecourthistory.org/0.../04_c18_k.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
    Agreed. That is why I do not subscribe to either extreem politcal point of view. Despite having been immediatly labled a "liberal biased loon" for simply not sharing a particular point of view with someone else- I am not either liberal or conservative. I am a centerist or otherwise called a moderate. A rare breed it seems these days
    With all the extreme nationalism (facism, actually) going around these days being projected by the extreme right, anyone who isn't in their exact podium is labeled a liberal biased loon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergent D
    With all the extreme nationalism (facism, actually) going around these days being projected by the extreme right, anyone who isn't in their exact podium is labeled a liberal biased loon.
    You couldn't be more correct about that Sergent D ! I see it on campus alot and also in the media too and after reading through most of this section yesterday I notice it's rampant here too I think Facist tendency is a good description as well.

    Oh well, people can lable me anyway they want I guess . I know who and what I am and stand for and that is what really counts !

    Quote Originally Posted by myssi
    Looks like we are continuing to move towards a krytocracy... government by judges.
    I disagree. The Judges in this case were only doing their job.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ion/editorials
    Last edited by Hello~Kitty; 04-01-2005 at 01:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
    Based on her public statements, I think Ann Coulter is one of the more disgusting people to have walked the earth. Ofcourse I don't know what she is like in private but I have my doubts she is much different.

    She comes across as wanting to murder anyone who disagrees with her point of view , as do most of the people I have read or spoken with who like Ann Coulter. But then again as the old saying goes, like attracts like.

    I have a hard time respecting anyone who considers her anything other than the definitive example of a hateful hag.
    She does have a manner of coming up with creative names for people.

    I find her arguments are more name calling than substitive and that is a real disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    She does have a manner of coming up with creative names for people.

    I find her arguments are more name calling than substitive and that is a real disappointment.
    Like she said, like attracts like. Seems as if you have a new girlie friend Deogol. *shudder*

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    i just have one thing to say about the shiavo case. And it's about those supporters who were trying to give Terry water. i heard there was over 50 people arrested for doing that, even a young kid. what i dont understand is that, do these people NOT know that terri had swallowing problems, thats why she's on a feeding tube. If anyone of those people would've made it in to give her water, they would've killed her by choking her. I really think these people did not know what condition she was in!! and above all, the media didn't even say anything to this extent....do not give her water or you will kill her!!! I am pretty sure they took the feeding tube out of her so the only way to give her water was by mouth. I understand that attempting to do that seems like a heroic geature but my goodness. this really shows that those folks didn't even know much about her condition!! All they're thinking is, hey we're starving this woman so she needs food and water, and i'm going to give her some. And another thing, about all these people stating that they should kill terri's husband for doing this, hey i dont like the guy either but 2 wrongs dont make a right, and if they're such a supporter for life then please value all life don't pick and choose, i think God is the only one who can make that decision. sorry if i offended anybody, but i work in the medical feild and if terri's condition is like what they say she is, then i'm pretty sure i know what i'm saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee
    what i dont understand is that, do these people NOT know that terri had swallowing problems, thats why she's on a feeding tube. If anyone of those people would've made it in to give her water, they would've killed her by choking her. I really think these people did not know what condition she was in!!
    Actually, they were quite aware of what condition she was in.

    They didn't want to give her food or drink, just put droplets of water on her lips/tongue in order to be more humane in her murder. Someone being murdered by dehydration isn't a pretty sight. Their lips dry up and have massive cracks and their tongue becomes a solid dry mass, like a rock. A few droplets of water in and around the mouth can make this kind of murder much more humane.

    Even before the ruling, when she was on the feeding tube, Michael would chide nurses for doing the same in order to provide comfort, NOT sustanance/liquids. Instead, he'd only allow vaseline or lip balm applied to her mouth and let her mouth rot dry and be uncomfortable.

    This wasn't a 'choking' thing.. it was a humanity thing.
    It doesn't matter if you're somebody in this world, it rather matters you mean the whole world to somebody.

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    I'm still wondering why Doctors don't hand out "living wills" with fine-print clauses that waive off all malpractice liability?

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    polecat,

    thanks for the info. but whenever a patient is dying or going down hill fast they are usually on "comfort measures only" daily hygiene care is still in progress which means the patient still gets bathe and mouth care (usually use mouth swabs(even flavored) to clean mouth out to prevent dryness and cracks). and even after the patient passes... the nursing assistants usually are suppose to do a full bed bath. i wasnt there but i'm pretty sure Hospice did not sit there and let her rot slowly, Hospice is suppose to assist in making the dying process go smoothely with respect and dignity. I dont know if those people knew about her situation or not but i really hope you are right about what they were trying to do, I'll just have to believe you so it'll ease my mind a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee
    I dont know if those people knew about her situation or not but i really hope you are right about what they were trying to do, I'll just have to believe you so it'll ease my mind a little.
    Yuppers... they were mainly championed by the nurses who's signed affidavits were disallowed in court.

    Several nurses signed and offerred to testify towards Michael's treatment of his wife even before this unplugged state.

    His immediate family had MANY beefs with her final day's care, saying her lips were severely cracked and mouth was dry. Swabs and daily care were NOT permitted by Michael by court order. It took DAYS of deliberation just to allow the nurses to put vaseline on her badly cracked lips.

    The protestors interviewed were all championing final day relief- not the ingestion or giving of liquids as sustenance. Those arrested simply wanted to squeeze a damp wash cloth over her mouth to allow droplets to liquify her long dried mouth and lips to provide comfort.

    Some of the nurse testimony (Carla Iyer) from prior to this event (i.e. not even when she had her tube removed!):
    I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri’s hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and Michael saw it and made me take it out..
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    Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri’s death. Michael would say “When is she going to die?,” “Has she died yet?” and “When is that bitch gonna die?” These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member.
    ...
    Also, Heidi Law, who was another certified nurse from the time period of 1995 and 1996 had this to say about Michael's treatment insisted upon for his wife:
    ..whenever Michael Schiavo entered Terri’s room and saw that Terri was being fed by means other than a feeding tube, he told the nurses to stop and threatened them with being fired...
    ...
    "At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened."
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    Law testified that the only reason she didn't attempt to feed Ms. Schiavo more frequently was "because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael."
    Lastly, Carolyn Johnson, another certified nurse, from 1993 and prior had this to say about Michael's neglect of treatment to his wife:
    "I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri. This surprised me, as I did not think a guardian could go against a doctor's orders like that, but I was assured that a guardian could and that this guardian had gone against Terri's doctor's orders."
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    "Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this," Johnson said, "as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation."
    It doesn't matter if you're somebody in this world, it rather matters you mean the whole world to somebody.

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    lol lie after lie. what else would be expected.

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