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    Default Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    I work in a Los Angeles-area club that has been undergoing a remodeling effort for the past few months. Some of the changes are nice (new stage, new seating for customers, and new paint job), but I'm more concerned about plans to install machines that will collect our lap dance money. Currently, the customers pay us directly for lapdances, and then we pay the 40% split to the club at the end of the night. (They get $8 for every $20 dance and $60 for every $150 half-hour VIP room. I know some of you would see that as an issue in itself, but that's how it is everywhere in LA

    Anyway, when these machines are installed, customers will have to insert $20 bills for every dance they do, as they go along. This will mean no more trips to the ATM after a long dance session, and I assume that they will require exact change. As if this wasn't bad enough, the machines will be preset for increments of time that will vary according to the particular day (cuz some days are nothing but 2-4-1's), so you will have to lapdance for that set amount of time no matter how long or short the DJ plays the songs. I assume that the club will still employ floorwalkers to keep their own dance count to make sure that we are being honest.

    I guess my question to all you ladies (and gentlemen) is do you all foresee this turning out well at all, or do you think (like I am inclined to) that this will cause the club (and my $) to go to hell in a handbasket. They already installed these machines in our sister club in another LA-area city, and they were universally despised by dancers and customers alike.

    P.S. In case you could not infer it from my post, yes I work at a Deja Vu, and yes this seems to be some kind of mandate from the corporate powers that be.

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    I think this is the dumbest idea ever! What an asshole whoever thought this up!

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    What an insult.Like as if you were a freakin' cigarette machine.
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    Wow. That's absolutely absurd. So what if the machine malfuntions and skanks the customer's money? That's crap. Dancers already get the shit-end of the stick in most cases anyways, now they make it worse. I know at my club they don't go by song, they go by timer. Before the dance, the girl reaches up and sets the timer for 4 minutes. Not so sexy when you have a half-nude women slamming a piece of shit stopwatch against the wall cause it won't work. Plus, I hate it because when you pay for the dance, you pay a guy at the entrace of the lap area, and he gives the girl a little paper ticket, and she collects at the end of her shift. Sucks in my little HO.
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    That has to be one of the most fucked up things I have heard of in awhile! Get your butt out of there and move on to another club. The person who thought that was a good idea, is a complete idiot!



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    these machines are worse than the chips...expect to make close to nothing for pay outs from the machines.

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    Ok im gonna flip the coin.

    Im OK with it,I think this removes any debates.

    "Yes you got a second dance."
    "What do you mean you cant pay for the lapdances you just got?"

    "what do you mean mr bouncer guy,i only did 20 lapdances,not 25,so i should only have to tip out for 20."


    If this is used correctly,it can save the entertainers from loosing money from the customers,it can make the club traced money on tip outs,it can stop customers from being taken advantage of,etc.

    This is a good thing for everyone involved.I just think its going to take awhile for the initial "shock"of it because it is kinda like a cig machine in a way.
    But so is the ATM if you think about it,and guys got used to that.

    This is good accounting for the club and for any entertainer who is on the books IMO.
    Now you just gotta have a way to write off billable hours at tax time because this is walking,talking,paperwork trail.

    Bravo to Deja Vu for breaking the ground on this,it will serve as protection to the clubs,the entertainers,and the customers.

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    Even if it is done right I still wouldnt want to work there. Who collects the money at the end of the night? What if someone counts wrong not in your favor and you dont get as much as you deserved...oh damn it all.....there are too many "what ifs" in this type of thing.

    I dont see anything sexy about feeding a machine every incrimented time session and then contuining with dances. Nothing sensual or sexy about it at all.
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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    Screw the machine, I can't believe how much they jack from you guys. I would find another club to work at.

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    Im very much for it. Its a good idea. Less to worry about as far as being ripped off moneywise or having to worry about where I carry money on me.

    I think it will be very positive once the bugs are worked out.
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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    jack money that is. Those tipouts are incredibly high.

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    Some of the small clubs I book at in South Dakota and Montana do a similar thing manually.

    In one club the customers pay the DJ in advance for a dance ticket which is $20. The club makes $5 off of each dance. If the guy wants more dances he doesn't have to go to the DJ before getting additional ones, but we turn in the money and get a ticket for each dance we sell and get cashed out at the end of the night.

    The other club operates the same way, but gets $8 per dance.

    Both these clubs though since the dancers are road girls who are booked to work 6 nights from 5 to 1 or 2 pay us $400 per week.

    Deja Vu being a corporate club is into being structured and operating just as a big chain business would operate. They want accountability, and the ability to track sales. Also they "could" if pressured by govt report dance sales to the IRS via a 1099.

    Is Deja Vu issuing you guys 1099's on all reported income or not?

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    total bullshit! find a new club!!

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    OK, thanks everybody for your replies. I see most of you are inclined to think that this is a bad idea (as I do too). I'm glad to see some dissenting opinions, as I was wondering if these machines would seem like a good idea to anybody. I agree that installing money machines would eliminate incidents of non-payment by customers and decrease the risk of theft. However, I've worked at this club for over 3 years, and I've only been ripped off for a sizeable amount of money (like over $100) once in the entire time I've worked there. Likewise, I've only had money stolen from me once (by a customer, not a dancer BTW) in the same time frame. I think these are unfortunate situations that thankfully only occur like .001% of the time. So, I'm not sure that this benefit would be enough to offset the negative consequences of installing the machines.

    I wouldn't be so opposed to the machines if they were only in the VIP areas, where customers paid $150 for a half-hour of time. However, when you have to insert a $20 bill before every single song, I think it will tend to put a damper on customer spending b/c they will be more conscious of the money they are spending. Also, when the machines were installed in the other Deja-Vu, this was around the time the new $20 bills were introduced, and these machines would not even recognize the new bills! (this was later fixed). But, lots of people only have benjamins, and would need change before they could use the machines. You can see how this would be a huge hassle.

    I see these machines as having a negative impact on the club not only b/c they might decrease customer spending, but also b/c it will make it a less desirable place to work in the eyes of dancers. I think the bottom line is it doesn't matter how plush the decor of a a club is, or what kind of gadgets they have, if they have problems keeping and attracting good dancers, their business will suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Ok im gonna flip the coin.

    Im OK with it,I think this removes any debates.

    "Yes you got a second dance."
    "What do you mean you cant pay for the lapdances you just got?"

    "what do you mean mr bouncer guy,i only did 20 lapdances,not 25,so i should only have to tip out for 20."


    If this is used correctly,it can save the entertainers from loosing money from the customers,it can make the club traced money on tip outs,it can stop customers from being taken advantage of,etc.

    This is a good thing for everyone involved.I just think its going to take awhile for the initial "shock"of it because it is kinda like a cig machine in a way.
    But so is the ATM if you think about it,and guys got used to that.

    This is good accounting for the club and for any entertainer who is on the books IMO.
    Now you just gotta have a way to write off billable hours at tax time because this is walking,talking,paperwork trail.

    Bravo to Deja Vu for breaking the ground on this,it will serve as protection to the clubs,the entertainers,and the customers.
    I'm kind of surprised that you would take that position on money machines. I know you're a DJ, not a floorwalker, but I find it interesting that you would be in favor of anything that would make things more impersonal, and possibly eliminate the need for an employee's position. Would you feel the same way if we were talking about replacing Dj's with jukeboxes? Just curious.

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    well most dj's should be replaced to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by showgirlschloe
    Screw the machine, I can't believe how much they jack from you guys. I would find another club to work at.
    Believe me, I would not work there if there were better options available in the immediate area. However, all nude clubs in the LA area (and San Francisco) too use the same pay cut. Some places even use a 50/50 split. There's one chain of clubs called the Spearmint Rhino (AKA the evil empire) where you have a pay a $30 housefee, give them 40% of your lapdance money, THEN after that you are expected to tip the manager, the DJ, the floorwalkers, and waitresses $1 EACH from the remaining lapdance money. So, you would effectively net $5-$7 for each $20 topless dance, and maybe $18 for each $40 nude dance. Now, that sucks balls.

    It tends to be different in topless clubs, and maybe it's also different in different markets in CA outside of LA and Frisco (I see you're from Cali too).

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    they had thises in a club i used to work at...and it was super hard to get tips...so i started telling the customers beforehand that i would need to be tipped...and they would have to pay the machine fee for the private room...and yea those machines suck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina

    Deja Vu being a corporate club is into being structured and operating just as a big chain business would operate. They want accountability, and the ability to track sales. Also they "could" if pressured by govt report dance sales to the IRS via a 1099.

    Is Deja Vu issuing you guys 1099's on all reported income or not?
    You're exactly right that this is a corporate-type decision. As I understand it, only the regional corporate manager is in favor of these machines (for the reasons that you outlined). Both the club's general manager, as well as the owner of this particular Deja Vu franchise were opposed to the idea. In fact, our manager denied that they were going to be installed for the longest time (probably didn't want to lose dancers). I only know they're being installed b/c they have already placed the framework for these machines in front of the dance booths.

    Currently, we pay them their share of the money at the end of the night, and they give us a printed receipt with our total dance count and the amount that both we and the club net from dances. We do not however, receive 1099's. I've heard rumors that they might have to start after the machines are installed (don't know if this is idle speculation or not). Maybe b/c they would be paying us at the end of the night, instead of us paying them, although I don't know if this is semantics or not. In any case, if they do start issuing 1099's I probably couldn't rely on my club to be straight with us cuz they can be shady like that.

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    From a customer POV, and also at the risk of sounding like a pig and/or ass, this sucks for the customer. It's kind of too complicated for a strip club. When I go out to relax, I don't want to hassle with a machine and go through all that for a lap dance. It kind of de-personalizes (if that's a word) the whole situation almost. It's like what's next? Lap dances from a robot? Maybe I don't understand completely how they work, but I don't think I want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey78
    I'm kind of surprised that you would take that position on money machines. I know you're a DJ, not a floorwalker, but I find it interesting that you would be in favor of anything that would make things more impersonal, and possibly eliminate the need for an employee's position. Would you feel the same way if we were talking about replacing Dj's with jukeboxes? Just curious.
    lol well,it went from full bands in the olden days,to jukeboxes,then to dj's,now the trend is to have piped in music(like a jukebox)and have an MC in the booth,not a dj.

    I think the real question is why??

    Why would the clubs even consider it??

    There has to be enough money "missing"in the end for the clubs to have to use this methode.Between the entertainers and the doorguys who bend the rules for some entertainers,the amount of money a club can looose in a night per dancer is staggering.

    Its about money, and everybody,to include the clubs,want an accurate count at the end of the night.
    Leaving the "count"up to entertainers who have been drinking,or doorguys who can be bribed just isnt working,it never has.
    Till now,clubs were happy getting most of the money owed,now they can produce paperwork that can assure them all the money owed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    lol well,it went from full bands in the olden days,to jukeboxes,then to dj's,now the trend is to have piped in music(like a jukebox)and have an MC in the booth,not a dj.
    What is the difference between an MC and a DJ?

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    In most cases its some guy that think working in a sc is his best shot at making it to a big club in NYC. You could do better with a computer playing the music actually.
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    Hmm. I wonder if you can then talk the guy into more dances upfront. Tell him, "Do you just want one?" when he approaches the machine or something. Or when he decides to get more after the first one, you can ask him how many more, so you won't be interrupted. To me this sounds kind of sketchy if you don't get a ticket or a receipt so you can prove how many dances you're owed by the club; otherwise they can have "technical problems" or what-have-you.

    Yuck. I hate dance cuts like that; you know, big ones. There was one club in OH where I was ok with it because they took a $5 cut from a $30 dance--still leaving you with $25, better than the $20 price that's normal in a lot of places. Guys don't like it either; at one club where they had to pay a dance area supervisor before getting dances and watch him put $10 in the register for the club and then hand me my cut, I swear that half the customers would be surprised and gripe about it.

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    Default Re: Yikes! Lap Dance Money Machines are being installed in my club!

    Ours are 35 and we pay 5 bucks. So not a bad deal. It is a much better system of accounting to. I never have to carry cash around and worry about some hag stealing my money.
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