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    Hello everyone,

    I'm new here, but I've been lurking for a while. I've learned so much here.
    I hope I don't immediately get labled a troll, because I'm not here to stir trouble, I am really interested in some answers/thoughts.

    I remember on another thread here a while back one woman sort of criticized another for taking a holier-than-thou attitude toward other sex workers. I kinda wanted to know if generally, there was some sort of hierarcy of sex work? Do many or most strippers consider themselves better than prostitutes? Do people who do phone sex but don't strip consider themselves somehow better than strippers?

    Also, I could be wrong and you can correct me if I am. It seems that many other areas of the sex industry make more money than prostitution. If that is generally the case does that say something about men or women or society that men (as they are overwhelmingly the customers) are willing to pay more for a good look and show than actually being able to have an orgasm? Is it the entertainment factor that is so much more important?


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    Here are my thoughts, bear with me, they are somewhat complicated..I dont put down women prostituting IF she has no family, has children, and cannot get a job. You do what you need to do to support your babies or family. If I were in the situation, and I didnt have anyone except my daughter, I would do it in a heartbeat, though I know it wouldnt be an easy thing to do, selling your body for sex to someone. But OTOH, I do think it is shitty for women who have families and have ways of supporting their family to have sex for money. Like, if they are doing it to get drug money, f*ck that, they are whores. It probably sounds very double standardy though. As someone who used to be a stripper, I consider myself better than prostitutes. Because Im not out sleeping with everything that has a penis. Thats just me though, and Im positive you will get some very different responses from everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incognita
    I kinda wanted to know if generally, there was some sort of hierarcy of sex work?
    Human nature, in general, always has some form of throwing rocks above and below one's own level of morality.

    For example- when driving on the highways, anyone that drives slower than you is a moron. Anyone that drives faster than you is a crazy idiot.

    Sex work is no different. Anyone that does more than you is a whore. Anyone that does less than you isn't maximizing her earnings potential.

    It's a sliding scale based solely on what level you stand on.


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    I think in general yes there does seem to be a hierarcy with prostitutes often being considered on the bottom.

    Many take the point of view that being hypocritical, but the reality of things is that's the way the industry in general is viewed by alot of insiders as well as outsiders. Right or wrong that just seems to be the way it is.

    The strange part of that to me anyway is that porn stars are viewed so much higher on the hierarcy scale when in fact they are prostitutes too.

    To be brutely honest I do look down upon people who have sex for money, not for any "moral" reasoning but rather because of STD's . I don't think that people who have sex with anyone for the "right" price or buy sex respect themselves or anyone else for that matter.

    I feel the same way about people who hop from partner to partner for free too though. A perfect example of that is swingers.

    I am also aware that many people would say similar things about me as a dancer too. I don't get that, but I know and accept that it exists.

    No matter what we do in life there will always be someone who will disapprove so the only thing any of us can do is be at peace with ourselves.

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    I don’t think prostitutes are at the bottom of the of the sex worker hierarchy. My vote for bottom would be the men’s room attendant at El Centro in Miami. Or the clean up tranny at Triangles in Sarasota or I’m still thinkin!



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    i have no problem with prostitutes..or escorts as long as they keep it out of the clubs...they can do as they please...because when they bring thier type of work into our enviorments it makes it harder for us to suceed without having to go to thier lengths....and yes if i had nothing in my life and had to feed my child i would do it also...i wouldn't walk the streets...but i would escort...just MO'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkell
    i have no problem with prostitutes..or escorts as long as they keep it out of the clubs...they can do as they please...because when they bring thier type of work into our enviorments it makes it harder for us to suceed without having to go to thier lengths....and yes if i had nothing in my life and had to feed my child i would do it also...i wouldn't walk the streets...but i would escort...just MO'
    ^ Totally agreed.

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    Oh boy, here we go again...

    Let's get a few things straight here. We all know dancers that will do extras, no matter how "clean" we think our club is.

    There is a hierarchy among escorts/prostitutes themselves. Most high-end escorts screen their clients very carefully and will get thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) of dollars to travel with wealthy businessmen or spend an evening with them dining at fine restaurants. Yes, there's sex involved, but these women consider themselves more "courtesan" than common whore. Then you have the girls that you call and just show up, streetwalkers and, uh, strippers that do extras or "takeout". And trophy wives. All kinds of variations of paid sex/companionship.

    High-end escorts typically see only a handful of clients a month and cultivate regulars. As opposed to random women that just hook up with any loser that'll buy them a Cosmo.

    RD, it's rather hypocritical of a dancer to make a comment alluding to someone not doing sex work if they can do something else. Are you at all aware that many people say the same about dancers? Especially ones that are intelligent? It's the money, honey. There are escorts out there that do have families, and many of them do it for the same reasons dancers do. Quick money and flexible schedule. I've met numerous escorts that have no problem being intimate with a guy one-on-one, but the thought of getting up naked in a roomful of strangers in high heels and then going around that room hustling scares the bejeezus out of them.

    Also, about the drug thing, I've met plently of dancers that don't do drugs and plenty that do. As well as plenty of non-dancers, for that matter.

    Strippers will typically feel they are "better" than escorts because they don't sleep with clients, and escorts (especially the high-end ones) might think they're "better" than a stripper because they don't walk around a badly lit, smoky room essentially begging strangers for a $20 (as I once heard an escort phrase it). All different viewpoints.

    Lest we forget that most society generally looks down on anyone in the sex biz before we get too high and mighty...
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    I knew when I posted that it was really double standardy, but its the way I feel. IMO though, I think its better when women strip as opposed to prostituting, just because you arent having sex for money. But I think polecat's posting hit the nail on the head.

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    In my humble opinion,it is very poor taste to have a subject such as prostitution on a site like this.This after all,just stripperweb.
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    OTB, are you serious?

    It may be called SW, but the site caters to private party dancers, phone sex operators, escorts, etc.


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    I totally agree with Nina Daisy on this one. You hit it right on the head girl!

    Here is food for thought... Aren't all women sex workers to one degree or another? Haven't most women flirted shamelessly with a cop to get out of a ticket, or went to a bar with nothing but your ID and a low cut blouse on, while the guys in the bar took care of your drink tab for the night?

    Most of the women who do this don't consider themselves "sex workers" per se but they are definately getting benefit from the men, if not direct financial compensation.

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    my two cents on all of this....



    my grandmother was a high class escort some 25 years ago ( till she was murdered) from what i know, her reasons were mainly for her kids, my mother and her brother- my mums brother wanted to be a racing car driver- now thats an expensive sport to get into, so she put herself out there to raise him the cash to get where he is now ( yep, hes pretty damn successful racing driver!!) she was divorced,with two teenage kids, she did it. i dont think that made her a bad person, her reasons were clear, she kept well above board,made her cash and invested it.

    i dance cos i prefere to have my partner,and i kinda dont like having sex with randoms ( never even had a one night stand!) BUT.....


    if a chick is say, an office worker, yet goes out every weekend, and picks up say one or 2 guys a night, fucks then and never speaks to them again, is she on the smae wavelangth as a prostitute, but without the monetary factor??


    OR...


    a girl is in a ralationship with a guys she cant stand, cos he pays for every lil want and need she has. does that put her on the same wavelenght???


    sex for money can be conveyed in several different ways, a prostitute is just a dirty word for someone whos place of "work" is in a brothel or street corner. really, there is no difference. ANYONE who gets where they want to be/makes a profit/uses it as leverage for anything IS JUST THE SAME AS A SO CALLED PROSTITUTE>

    dancers are not necessarily the same....unless we are haveing SEX with the customers, its different....still not too far off mind you, but just not using sex as a tool, instead using semi nude body, limited contact etc.


    meh thats my lil rant.


    if ya gonna act like a skank and fuck loeads of guys, you might as well get paid for it.

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    I try not to judge any of my sisters-in-sex-work too harshly. As others have said, we are all in the same category according to many mainstream folk, and many of us have found our own boundaries by crossing them.
    How does that go again? Judge not, lest ye....

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    nice post!


    also to OTB... this site is for dancers AND ANY kind of sex worker.

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    Yea, yea, yea.

    The girls at the Dollhouse think they are better than the girls at the Crazy Horse who think they are better than the girls at the Showhouse, who think they are better than the girls at Nuttin Butt Horseplay, who think they are better than high-paid escorts, who think they are better than dancers, and everyone thinks they are better than streetwalkers. It all has to do with self-esteem and what you think you are worth, coupled with how much plastic surgery you are willing to get. We are all sex workers who take off our clothes for money at the very least. The rest of it is just all in the mind.

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    I agree that the sex industry is what it is. We all will get praised and criticized in some way. Never-the-less, I would like to add that I think a person's decision to strip or escort ect.... should not only be justified if they have a family to support, orreallly need to make the kind of money.(Although they are very good reasons) If a person chooses a position in the sex industry because it is simply what they want to do, and not an urgent financial need, thats fine as well. I sense from some that people find it more justifiable if you have mouths to feed, or other immediate urgencies. If you are going to use your money for negative gains... such as drugs...I think you are going to do that regardless of your job. That is just a personal dillema I would hope a person would get help with, regardless if they are a teacher, or sex worker. I would also like to say that I do not necessarily hold a street walker at a lower value then a high class escort. If anything I just feel a little sorry because they are settling for the dangerous street corners, instead of trying to establish their way of making money into a more safer form. I realize that not all women are able to physcially or mentally rise up against this. Im sure this arises from lack of self esteem, drug problems, and many other unfortunate circumstances.

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    Thank you so much everyone. You've given me a lot to consider, especially the aspect of "trophy" wives and flirting to get out of a ticket etc. I'll be back with more later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat

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    That is Exactly why I am staying the heck outta this thread. Grab your umbrellas people.... the shit storm is about to begin

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    There are strippers who think they're better than prostitutes and prostitutes who think they're better than strippers. I don't think I'm better than anyone, except maybe Tom DeLay.

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    Prostitution should be legalized
    then there would be safer and cleaner places for them to practice
    they would get beaten by their "so called employers"
    there would be mandatory testing (keeping the general public and the servicers safer)
    less problems with girls getting strung out on drugs etc.

    also it would keep more of it out of the clubs
    although no matter what it is going to be there

    but, then you got the taxes issue....
    and most people in any avenue of the industry doesn't want to deal with that.

    Ah, but in my Eutopia..........
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    also
    I don't think that I am better than a prostitute
    but I am undeniably safer
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    I think prostitution should be decriminalized - not legalized. I don't think it is any part of the government's business. I think it is a HUGE invasion of privacy and uinconstitutional for the government to tell be people under what circumstances they can have sex. It just seems ridiculous and I get angry every time I think of it.

    If prostitution was legalized, then you know that government would be all over regulating it. I just think the laws should be thrown out, period.

    That said, strippers and escorts many times fit into very different categories. So much so that I can hardly compare them. I think everyone should be able to do as they like with their body - no laws against prostitution. While we are at it - let's get rid of the ridiculous permit fees and licenses for strippers.

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    "While we are at it - let's get rid of the ridiculous permit fees and licenses for strippers."

    What is that all about? Why do strippers need licenses and how do they get them? If you have one in one state does it transfer to another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXDancer J.D.
    While we are at it - let's get rid of the ridiculous permit fees and licenses for strippers.

    Good ole Harris County trying to score additional revenue even though the clubs have been paying off their police and vice departments for years....now THAT is government trying to regulate sex work. Great deal of help its done for Houston, voted THE city for cheap extras in the US.

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