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    Since my abuse situation, I have stepped back and taken a much-needed break in life. I have dealt with many issues in my past that were never resolved. And with a the help of a much-needed real friend who actually cares about me, I have come to the conclusion that I have a pretty bad case of ADHD - the impulsive and daydreamer kind mixed. I was never diagnosed, because I don't act hyperactive. I just can't concentrate and am extremely impulsive, especially with my words. I've made a lot of enemies in the past this way. It explains why I had so many social problems in the past. It explains why I chose to be with sociopaths, since they are impulse-based as well. I want to change but I don't know how. I pretty much have gone through life in cruise control with no thoughts of the future. Now I want to embark on a career. But I am so afraid of failure, and I am so afraid that I will act on my impulses and therefore fuck myself out of my future again, that I am afraid to act. I am even afraid to make new friends, for fear that they just won't like me. People picked on me in school, calling me airhead and flighty and spacey. Anybody with ADHD can give me some advice?

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    That was powerful statement ET. It is a genuine statement that is so much better than all of the high minded puffery I see from both talented and admired people everyday. For what its worth, I enjoy your company.

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    ET,
    You're definitely not alone. I think a LOT of dancers meet the criteria for ADHD. If anyone doubts this, pick up a copy of the book Driven to Distraction by Ed Hallowell. Read the List of 100 Questions, if nothing else.

    I was formally diagnosed at the age of 30. Overall, I think the diagnosis has been a positive thing for me, though it certainly hasn't solved all my problems. To be honest, I sometimes think that what they call ADHD is really more of a personality type than a "disorder", but whatever it is, I fit the profile. I do sometimes take Adderall, and it helps with certain things, but it can be tricky, especially for anyone who has a history of serious substance abuse (I don't know if you do or not...)

    You sound pretty similar to me in a lot of ways: I have also been attracted to sociopaths, I was the space cadet through grade school, I have always been drawn to high-stimulus pursuits (including stripping...) I think you're right to consider ADHD. You might want to seek a formal diagnosis.

    My advice: Read Driven to Distraction. It's a very good introduction. Then read more if you're still interested. Consider a formal diagnosis, and do some online research to find psychologists and psychiatrists in your area who are knowledgeable about ADHD. If you DO get a diagnosis, my advice is to hold off on trying any meds until you've had some time to think about everything. One good thing about a diagnosis is that if you're considering going back to school, you can get accomodations (extra time on tests, or help with note-taking, for instance, depending on what you need. I don't use any of these, but it's nice to know that I could...)

    I hope this is helpful. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    ET,
    You're definitely not alone. I think a LOT of dancers meet the criteria for ADHD. If anyone doubts this, pick up a copy of the book Driven to Distraction by Ed Hallowell. Read the List of 100 Questions, if nothing else.

    I was formally diagnosed at the age of 30. Overall, I think the diagnosis has been a positive thing for me, though it certainly hasn't solved all my problems. To be honest, I sometimes think that what they call ADHD is really more of a personality type than a "disorder", but whatever it is, I fit the profile. I do sometimes take Adderall, and it helps with certain things, but it can be tricky, especially for anyone who has a history of serious substance abuse (I don't know if you do or not...)

    You sound pretty similar to me in a lot of ways: I have also been attracted to sociopaths, I was the space cadet through grade school, I have always been drawn to high-stimulus pursuits (including stripping...) I think you're right to consider ADHD. You might want to seek a formal diagnosis.

    My advice: Read Driven to Distraction. It's a very good introduction. Then read more if you're still interested. Consider a formal diagnosis, and do some online research to find psychologists and psychiatrists in your area who are knowledgeable about ADHD. If you DO get a diagnosis, my advice is to hold off on trying any meds until you've had some time to think about everything. One good thing about a diagnosis is that if you're considering going back to school, you can get accomodations (extra time on tests, or help with note-taking, for instance, depending on what you need. I don't use any of these, but it's nice to know that I could...)

    I hope this is helpful. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions

    -Nic
    I do have a history of substance abuse... mainly pot and alcohol. I found myself using these in order to slow down and calm down. Luckily, I was able to make it through school and college with excellent grades, so I have a college degree. If I am in a social situation, I feel a compulsion to do something with my hands, and I feel bored, so I find myself downing drinks as fast as I can buy them lol. I got drunk at work all the time. But now that I am at home, I am hardly drinking. Thanks for your response. I will check out the book.

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    I've been living my life on "auto pilot" too.It's getting old.
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    Thanks for the advice Nicolina! I think I am ADHD too but have a bad history of experiences with psychiatrists who could prescribe meds for it. I've done much better with female psychologists who act as therapists. I am going to make the leap and see another shrink though, my friend guarantees he will treat me right and give me meds if I need them.

    I will check out that book too! Thanks!

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    My own hypothesis is that you can tell a lot about people's brain chemistry by looking at the drugs they use recreationally. I'd venture to guess that those people who prefer pot are lacking in seratonin and those who love cocaine need more dopamine.

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    Hmmmmmmm, I smoked pot every day for years and now hate it but love the other stuff. What does that say...............??????

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    ADHD- a blessing in disguise. When I saw my kid brother bouncing around in his cap and gown, acting clowny at high school graduation, I remarked to my uncle, "We have an ADD GENE in this family." So sometimes you can't help it.
    The good parts- moments of brilliance, quick thinking and being very clever. The bad parts- yeah, already stated.
    Non-drug tactics- training your brain to correct itself. I catch my mind drifting about three seconds after I stop concentrating on anything. (Like a goldfish.) The planning-thought process involves making lists, maybe even decorating your house to help streamline your day, asking other people to steer you when you seem to be getting too tangental or forgetful, and other tactics which vary from person to person.
    It is possible to overcome ADHD- a friend of mine read a home library full of books, learned a few languages, and taught himself new job skills just from getting tired of living without direction.

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    Wow what great feedback and responses to this thread.

    I personally do not have ADHD, but have a two friends who do. To be honest, my interactions with them require a great deal of patience, understanding and flexibility.

    So my question is if anyone knows of resources that would help a person have a better understanding of someone with ADHD? Would a book like Nicolina suggested help someone who is a friend of one with ADHD?

    I also have a friend who is in AA, and am familiar with Alanon. I guess what I'm asking is if there is a similar resource to help someone to better understand and be supportive of a person with ADHD?

    Thanks for any responses.
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    Here's a page from the National Institute of Mental Health on ADHD. Most of it refers to children, some adult references, but it's all basically relevant anyway.
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhd.cfm

    Driven to Distraction at Amazon:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...906178-9840612

    The only way to know if you have it is to get a diagnosis from a qualified doctor or psychiatrist. There's no lab test or definitive measurement for this; it's based on your responses to questions about your history of behavior.

    CHADD.org has a "Find a professional in your area" page to help you find someone who can diagnose it: http://www.chadd.org/

    Be aware that there are critics who either say this condition is a fabrication of the psychiatric community and/or that too many people, especially children, are incorrectly diagnosed with it and medicated. Obviously, there are valid criticisms that can be made. But zealous opposition comes from a group established by the Church of Scientology called the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. My personal opinion is that this group throws the baby out with the bathwater in its staunch, fiercely religious opposition to psychiatry and the use of medication to treat any and all psychiatric conditions. If you're skeptical of ADHD, be equally as skeptical of the CCHR.*

    I prefer to take this viewpoint. I give less weight to debates about whether or not ADHD is actually a proven physiological condition, and more weight to getting positive results from using the diagnosis in a helpful way. It's a useful description of how some people are wired. If you see the diagnosis as a way to understand and modify your behavior, rather than using it as an excuse for your bad behavior, the other issues are academic.

    Instead of beating yourself up for being a total space case, you start to figure out ways to emphasize your strong points and cope with your weak ones. For a long time, I thought I was selfishly forgetting tasks someone asked me to do - that I was passively sabotaging things from selfishness - when it was actually ADHD sabotaging me. That is, my lack of understanding of my brain's strengths and weaknesses. So now, I can either use ADHD as an excuse (not good) or I can stop thinking of myself as a failure and figure out a creative way to remember things that works for me. (Lists, setting my watch fast, alarm clocks, set routines, whatever the F it takes.)

    -Ev

    * I'm being very diplomatic about the CCHR and Scientology. What I really want to say is that they can kiss my dancing ADHD hiney. I mean, really, how is ADHD any worse for society than a religious cult created by a science fiction writer? C'mon.

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    Great post, Ev! Thanks! I totally agree with everything you say, especially about using the diagnosis to understand and alter problematic behaviors rather than excuse them. I also agree that, regardless of the validity of the "disorder" concept, it is a VERY useful way to describe how some people are wired.

    Thanks for your post, too, Maxine...you're so right about the positive aspects of ADD.

    Kat, I'm glad this was helpful...you'll like the book, I think...The guy who wrote it is cool.

    I'm guessing that people who use a variety of recreational drugs may need a little more of BOTH seratonin and dopamine. I personally fell into the second category myself (always hated pot), but I've been able to use Adderall (which, for those of you who don't know, is basically prescription speed) without getting outta control.

    verfolgung, There ARE support groups for ADHD adults, and possibly for family and friends as well, and you can probably find them via the CHADD website. Driven to Distraction lists some resources along these lines, too. And I'm sure that you would also gain a greater understanding of your friends by reading Hallowell's book. I highly recommend it! His second book, "Answers to Distraction", is also good. I'll list a few others when I get a chance....

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    I've been diagnosed with ADD as an adult. I had a lot of the same symptoms that you had growing up E.T., but I got good grades in school and wasn't really hyperactive, but I would rarely pay attention in class and was daydreaming all the time. I had a psychiatrist prescribe me Adderall a few years ago, and I have mixed feelings about it. It can be pretty addictive, and every once in a while I would take a large dose to get high. It has high abuse potential if you are so inclined.
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    You can find a great deal of information about ADD and ADHD on the Web. Until recently lots of experts were not able to admit that this condition does in fact exist in adults. So to an extent you have to look in the materials about kids too.

    I remember a few things about what I've read:
    1 - many people with ADD/ADHD self-medicate with street drugs, as if these were better than prescribed drugs, but at the time they didn't realize there was help out there (I suppose because of the company they kept);
    2 - stimulant type prescription drugs help, not hurt as you might think; this is because the control parts of the brain are underactive and ther impulsive puarts are active; stimulate the control parts and the impulsiveness diminishes;
    3 - prescribed drugs help the person to realize what improved behavior is like and, in time (several years), they can learn to adjust, compensate and cope better without continued usage;
    4 - most of the prescribed drugs can become addictive, so care and monitoring are needed;
    5 - from what I've read and my own observations, there are varying degrees and types of ADD; so people should do some reading if their behavior tends toward that behavior; if you can get a handle on it, it will improve your life.
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    You keep saying your afraid....It sounds like to me you also have an anxiety problem. I'm sure I have ADHD and I have been diagnosed with anxiety, afraid of new things, afraid of people I have not seen in a long time, etc. I have over came things by just taking deep breaths and knowing whatever happends it's not the end of the world and if I don't do it this time I will make a next time to try again. You can't give up, you have to just keep trying. Be true to yourself and let the others around you know what's going on, they will understand and if they are real friends they will help you.
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    ET, honey, I'm a total "flake" but I am not ADHD.

    I personally think that the diagnosis of ADHD is a scam. I think it is, yet another way, for the medical community to pass out more pills and rake in more money. There are some things you learn to live with (putting your car keys in the exact same place every single time) and there are some things that you learn to deal with (forgetting something 3.5 seconds later). I have post-its everywhere...I have "special" places to put my purse, my wallet, the diaper bag, the stroller, the checkbook, my change, my laundry detergent...otherwise, I will not find them. I think that there may be a lot of other things going on to cause the *onset* of problems with which the ADHD is diagnosed. I noticed that when I am stressed out...or have some personal issues that need to be dealt with that I have been ignoring for a long time...my ability to remember other things drastically decreases.

    I also found that when I eat too much fatty foods, carbs, food with preservatives...my head feels foggy and I feel like I am not "functioning". When I eat really healthy...lots of fruits and veggies, plenty of water...working out...I feel more able to organize and prioritize my life...and everything that goes along with it.

    I really do not accept the term "ADD/ADHD". It may be a real occurance, however, I always wonder how much of it is just memory repression and that little claxon horn that is going off to get us to pay attention to the issues we've ignored for so long inside.

    You'll be fine...and you need to do what is best for you. I think that you are really a great person...you have a lot going for you. The road is not always easy...but it's always travelable. The most important thing in life is deciding what is right for you and going with that. If you decide later that the past decisions did not serve you, then you have the opportunity to make different decisions. While the past is the past, it does influence the future...and in order to make different decisions in the future, you must deal with what influenced you to make the decisions in the past. It all ties in together.

    Here's a big and know that no matter what happens, the sun will always rise.

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    I've never had a prolem with ADH.....oooooh, look....shiny keys!

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    On a serious note, ET -
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    But I am so afraid of failure...
    This may not help, but the vast majority of our population, in my completely unfounded and unprovable opinion, does suffer or has at some point suffered from a fear of failure. Once upon a time, I was a teacher. I had troubled students (most of them with some form of ADD) who all said to me, "We cannot do math...we are too stupid." I jumped on them for that...because I honestly feel that this is due to a fear of failure...and it is always much easier to not try...to stay in the comfort zone that you know...than it is to take a chance...to risk that failure that leaves us feeling as though we are worse than worthless.

    What none of us seem to realize for ourselves is that failure at a task if not failure within ourselves. Taking a risk and "failing" is far more impressive and respectable than not taking a chance at all. And I have no doubt that should you try...and "fail"....you'll have the support you need here to try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    ET, honey, I'm a total "flake" but I am not ADHD.
    The problem I have with the word "flake" is that it's generally considered to be negative. I realize you've embraced the word as being self-deprecating humor, as would I, so I don't consider your use of it as negative, but strippers are often patronizingly considered to be flakes. Therefore, the advantage to calling one's behavior ADHD, as opposed to flaky, is that it isn't considered an insult. I'm not flaky, dagnabit!

    Medication is not a required response merely because the term ADHD is used to describe this. The very things you mentioned - diet, exercise and certain routines - are generally considered to be major parts of a successful regimen. There are people who react to their diagnosis without using meds, or who only use meds temporarily.

    The proof for me about medication is personal experience. When I'm on the medication that's right for me, I don't drift off as easily nor often; I don't spend too long obssessed on some minute detail of a project; I remember things when they're relevant to act upon, rather than too early or too late; irrational anxiety is almost nonexistant; I don't babble on and on in a stream of conciousness; and most importantly, the multiple trains of thought running in different directions inside my head are organized into a more coherent stream.

    For adults, it's all about personal choice, of course, (ideally made from a wealth of information) but my choice is not to demonize the use of medication. I don't understand what I see as a stigma our society seems to place on using medicine to solve problems, especially when applied to a person is under a doctor's care, is active in the management of one's own treatment, and it's been studied and regulated. There's the rub, I suppose, because some people aren't making informed decisions and aren't being diligent in managing their care. But we shouldn't paint all of us with that same brush. (The meds for children issue is a more complex matter; I'm only talking of adults.)

    I wish I could listen to the way other people's brains process information for maybe a half hour. Wouldn't that be enlightening? If a non-ADHD person heard the chaos in my brain, would they go mad? Shut up, shut up, shut upppp! If I heard their brain, would I feel at peace or be bored to tears? Or would we find little difference?

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    Oh great, now I've been doing some reading, and I think I'm an Aspie. I'm a freak! What am I going to do with this?!

    Thanks for your words, they were truly calming and inspiring, btw.

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    ET - do NOT self-diagnose yourself....you can look at tendencies....you can look for ways to improve yourself...but don't decide that you HAVE something. That's what docs are for.
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    Thanks again, Ev. I couldn't have said that any better.

    Venus, I used to feel as you do about ADHD, until I really educated myself about it.

    As I've said, I sort of believe that it's a personality type rather than a "disorder," but the clinical description of this personality type, and of the underlying neurochemistry that leads to ADHD-type behaviors, has been really useful in helping me to understand the way my mind works and the things that drive my own problematic behavior.

    There is no "onset" of ADHD; it's considered an organic condition that exists throughout a person's lifetime. When you go for a diagnosis, they take an extensive personal history. If you have recently developed ADHD-type symptoms, perhaps after some trauma, then they do not diagnose ADHD. They really look at a whole constellation of things before making the diagnosis--that is, when it's done right, which often it isn't.

    As Ev said, medication is only one treatment option, and it's not for everyone. Diet, regular exercise (gets your endorphins going, which is one reason I was so addicted to dancing), changes in the way you organize your life, and "coaching" (which is different from regular therapy) are some of the other options for managing the difficulties that come with this kind of neurochemistry....

    If you feel you can manage your life and move forward, if you're not torn up about being vastly underachieving, if you don't feel really, really "stuck," and unsure how to navigate everyday life, then you're probably fine. If, however, you DO experience some of these feelings, to the point that they interfere with your ability to function in the world, then you might want to educate yourself about ADHD.

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    Having known and helped several ADD/ADHD friends in the past, as well as having a few at my workplace, I stand semi-between Ev's and Venus's outlook on things.

    While I do completely believe there is a variation in brain chemistry and physiological differences between ADD/ADHD and other members of society, I believe the "cure" for them is the same as other members of society- which is one of counseling, self-exploration, determination and courage.

    Meds can be helpful in conquering that first step for those without the strong "stuff" to do this themselves, but I truly do not believe they should be a daily requirement for life. The power of human will and determination can be called upon alternatively... unless the subject is too lazy, too self-absorbed or has deeper underlying issues they need to cope with first. Once these are out of the way, people can truly reach for their true potential, and it becomes much easier.

    How one was raised, grew up, and the peers that have surrounded them and shaped them has the biggest impact on one's outlook on themselves and the world abroad. While ideas and values that conflict with these may be scary or uncomfortable, any kind of change will always be filled with the need for a little courage and a leap of faith or two. There comes a time in everyone's lives where one feels they have nothing to lose, make that leap, then find happiness and themselves. This is also why most people generally dont see improvement until they hit "rock bottom"- there is nothing left to gamble, so they no longer sabotage themselves or convolute their true salvation with wrongful self-pity, doubt and fear. Either strong self-determination can uncloud this, or meds.. depending upon the person.

    ADD, in and of itself, can be a powerful ally. Techies in my area are of a high majority ADD/ADHD (formally & professionally diagnosed and in therapy). They have a more scrambled/random process of thought as well as have the ability to pick-apart a variety of stimuli and arrange them to a conclusion much faster and more precisely than most people can. This makes them excellent engineers, excellent musicians, excellent editors and excellent artists/decorators. They also can make excellent writers IF you pull the work from them at some point as they'll infinitely make revisions lol. Detriments are they are usually very self-absorbed, non-attentive, have difficulty staying organized, incessently tardy, and find it hard to express themselves orally as their ideas aren't always very tidy, linear or prepared for public consumption. We make allowances for them (and everyone else) at my work as long as they also try to meet us halfway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Thanks again, Ev. I couldn't have said that any better.

    Venus, I used to feel as you do about ADHD, until I really educated myself about it.

    As I've said, I sort of believe that it's a personality type rather than a "disorder," but the clinical description of this personality type, and of the underlying neurochemistry that leads to ADHD-type behaviors, has been really useful in helping me to understand the way my mind works and the things that drive my own problematic behavior.
    That's fine...all I was pointing out is that, sometimes these things "happen" when there are a lot of other issues going on that you have, maybe, been ignoring for a long time. Let's face it...no one is perfect...no one had the perfect parents. No one had the perfect childhood. There is always something that happened to us that was repressed and ignored for the sake of "survival". All I was saying, was in MY experience, although I have the "symptoms" of ADHD, I honestly believe that it is only my mind that is trying to get me to sort through feelings, situations, triggers--if you will--that I have "forgotten" but not forgotten.

    There is no "onset" of ADHD; it's considered an organic condition that exists throughout a person's lifetime. When you go for a diagnosis, they take an extensive personal history. If you have recently developed ADHD-type symptoms, perhaps after some trauma, then they do not diagnose ADHD. They really look at a whole constellation of things before making the diagnosis--that is, when it's done right, which often it isn't.
    But, the simple fact is this: medicine is a business...the more people that are on "pills" the more money they make. Does this mean that all diagnoses are wrong? Or that they do not help people? No. But, it does mean that, especially in this day and age, you need to be aware of exactly what the situation is and respond accordingly. To have someone say, "You've had these issues all your life...you have _________ and this little pill will help you." ADHD/ADD is not something that is, IMHO, needing a pill for as opposed to learning HOW to live with it. Of course, this is coming from someone who doesn't have it. I babysat 2 boys that were diagnosed as ADD and every day they took about 10 pills a piece. After a while, their parents decided to try something different. Took them off the medication...did not allow TV/computer in excess of 1 hour per day...required them to be involved in outside activities...taught them how to organize more efficiently...and lastly, they got them into the habit of "free association" writing, which they did every night when they first woke up and first went to bed.

    Is that for everyone? Not necessarily...but there are alternative treatments to taking pills. That is all I was saying. And, just because you don't remember EVERYTHING, doesn't make you ADHD.

    I also used the term "flake" loosely as it is the term that ET used. I have always had trouble remembering things and I was, very frequently, called a flake. I don't refer to myself that way on a daily basis, but used it in this instance because ET would, I feel, identify with it a bit more.

    As Ev said, medication is only one treatment option, and it's not for everyone. Diet, regular exercise (gets your endorphins going, which is one reason I was so addicted to dancing), changes in the way you organize your life, and "coaching" (which is different from regular therapy) are some of the other options for managing the difficulties that come with this kind of neurochemistry....
    Yes, I agree.

    If you feel you can manage your life and move forward, if you're not torn up about being vastly underachieving, if you don't feel really, really "stuck," and unsure how to navigate everyday life, then you're probably fine. If, however, you DO experience some of these feelings, to the point that they interfere with your ability to function in the world, then you might want to educate yourself about ADHD.
    I am probably the most self-critical person I know. There are days where I lay in bed wondering why I didn't leap a few tall buildings in a single bound, take Makayla to her play groups, clean the house spotless, do laundry, go grocery shopping, wash the car, make dinner, save the world, and have it all done by the time I needed to get Makayla down to bed. The other problem I feel with today's society, is that being "normal" is not "normal". It's NORMAL to be forgetful...it happens. It's NORMAL to forget things when you are stressed out. Instead of those "forgetful" moments being the sign that you need to stop and evaluate, most people OPERATE their daily lives in this manner. NORMAL is NOT having a completely quiet mind all of the time. But, the GOAL is to be able to pinpoint when the chaos of mind chatter is over-riding the real issues that need to be dealt with.

    We'll agree to disagree at this point. It is my personal opinion that in today's society, it is taboo to be "normal" without a little pill to go along with it. We need to learn how to balance the issues from the cause/source, instead of trying to balance out all of the effects.

    I've said my opinion and now I'm out.

    Hugs,
    Venus

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    I had the fear of failure for 17 yrs in my last job and as most of you know I finally quit and said enough is enough I am fortunate to have put enough money away so I can have some me time . I still hate going to crowded public places I dont think this is a problem I just hate going, as well as I like to call my Mom on the phone but I really hate calling my Father I dont get it but thats just the way it is . So far painting the walls in my house has worked real well for me Its very relaxing and kind of takes me away . I will get another job in June and it wont be a high stress job the money from the last job was great but at the pace I was going I wouldnt of made to my 50th birthday my health really has suffered but now I am working out and trying not to worry about everything around me . I caution you try really hard to not take meds if possible they are just a mask in most cases . ( just my experience )

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    First, let me say, thank you, Venus, for contributing to a rational discussion. And that goes for most of the rest of you as well. On the other hand...

    Quote Originally Posted by princessjefflina
    mental health aside from schizophrenia and like maybe borderline
    are bullshit
    haha
    esp depression/anxiety "disorders and add/adhd
    haha
    My response to PJ's post can be heard in Real audio on the following web page. Click on the "Click for Real Audio" icon.

    http://www.koyote.com/users/tschmidt/Funnyfarm.html

    -Ev
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