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    Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell says he has intelligence from the whaling community that Japan is planning to hunt humpback and fin whales for "scientific" research.

    Japan last year increased its kill of minke whales to more than 450.

    Senator Campbell believes Japan is softening the ground to go ahead and expand its whale kill under the legal loophole which allows the taking of whales for scientific research.

    "Their institute for research on whales and dolphins has come out in the last 24 hours and said that, based on their own assessment, the improvement - and I'm paraphrasing them here - that the improvement in the minke stocks that have been witnessed in recent years have now started to diminish," Senator Campbell said.

    "Now, one would have to say that that is an admission from the top citation scientists in Japan, that minke stocks are now under threat, and they have said in the same document that they've witnessed an increase, which we have witnessed as well, we didn't need to go killing whales to witness this increase, but they have witnessed an increase in humpback whales and fin whales.

    "This is what naturally occurs if you stop killing them, and therefore they are - I believe - softening the ground to go out and take humpback and fin whales."

    The institute has not confirmed that it is actually intending to go ahead and hunt humpbacks or fin whales.

    Senator Campbell says he has had intelligence from around the international whaling community that this is their intention.

    Should Japan go ahead and start hunting humpback and minke whales for the purposes of scientific research it may have an impact on Australia's $273 million whale watching industry.

    "Look, I've got no doubt if you start destroying humpback whales that it will have an impact on Australia's industry, but that's not the main reason that we would argue this," Senator Campbell said.

    "We will continue to argue that in the interests of the world's biodiversity, in the interests of the future of humanity, that saving these highly endangered species - species that came close to the verge of extinction because of hunting and slaughtering them - needs to be achieved for the conservation reasons alone."

    Australia failed for a fifth time last year at the International Whaling Commission (IWC) to secure a southern whale sanctuary.

    Senator Campbell says he is considering how best to get the sanctuary in place.

    "It's an issue that's very important to Australia and New Zealand. I've discussed it with the US in recent days," he said.

    "I'm going to progress that proposal in a way that's got the very best chance of success."

    Senator Campbell says Australia currently does not have enough numbers in the IWC to progress the proposal.

    "You need a three-quarters majority and they're simply not there at the moment, but I have a number of other potential ways forward to progress the proposal," he said.

    "I just want to work with likeminded countries on these proposals, put a lot more public focus and international diplomatic focus on what the Japanese are doing.

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    the japanese are strangley obsessed with anything in the sea,so its no shock about the whale hunting-its sad they feel the need to do such a thing, maybe they should learn to breed the whales, then they can just farm the ones they have and no one would mind hehe thats what we do with sheep and cows right?

    ahhh they are a funny bunch.

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    Problem is we have ocean communism. If we could establish private property in the ocean, the "aqua-culture" industry could really take off and then there wouldn't be a problem with "overfishing" and such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    the japanese are strangley obsessed with anything in the sea
    Mostly with eating it, neh?!

    I once read something that compared the Japanese and New Zealand cultures in terms of the role of fishing (Japan) vs herding (NZ) as their traditional "food industries"...but unfortunately, I can't recall much of what it said except that it made a lot of interesting comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t
    If we could establish private property in the ocean, the "aqua-culture" industry could really take off and then there wouldn't be a problem with "overfishing" and such things.
    That statement falls considerably short of being self-evidently correct!

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    haha yep...gotta love eating sushi thats still alive!!

    new zealand doesnt hunt whales!! ( does it?? im sure we dont, as far as i know, we are against that?!) i think most of our fish stuff from the sea here gets exported...cos we are stuck way at the bottom of the earth with freezing cold water our fish are better apparently?! meh fish is fish. maybe we do overfish? dunno...? now im curious.ha

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    THat's right let people keep fucking around with our wild life and wild lands, and we get what we deserve.

    That is insane. I LOVE whales. Killer whales are by far my favorite! I don't do sea world or shit like that.

    I used to believe in if you kill it you better need it to survive, i.e. food and clothing strong bones for weapons. Well we don't need animals to wear or eat anymore.

    This "whale killing " wil have a huge impact on the sea environment.
    But again who gives a shit. Not enough people it seems.

    Pamela

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    the japanese are strangley obsessed with anything in the sea,so its no shock about the whale hunting-its sad they feel the need to do such a thing, maybe they should learn to breed the whales, then they can just farm the ones they have and no one would mind hehe thats what we do with sheep and cows right?
    Good idea!
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    That statement falls considerably short of being self-evidently correct!

    -Ww
    I guess that depends on the observer.

    Just think about how things would be without private property in land for farming and such. It is no different, outside of being unfamiliar. Without private property in land, people would be "overpicking", depleting our resources of berries, etc. Same with whales and fishing on the ocean. We have a large scale "tragedy of the commons" problem in the ocean. When fish and whales were super-abundent, there was no real need to establish private property on the sea. Same as how hunting and gathering gave way to husbandry and farming once populations began to rise and food from the land became a scarce versus super-abundent resource.
    The best way to allocate a scarce resource is through private property, the price system and free markets. The usage of the ocean is going to be rationed in SOME way. The question is: will it be rationed via rational prices, markets and private property? Or will it become the sole domain of governments and politicians.

    If you like whales and fish, support private property on the sea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    new zealand doesnt hunt whales!! ( does it?? im sure we dont, as far as i know, we are against that?!) i think most of our fish stuff from the sea here gets exported...cos we are stuck way at the bottom of the earth with freezing cold water our fish are better apparently?! meh fish is fish. maybe we do overfish? dunno...? now im curious.ha
    I don't know anything about NZ's current fishing practises either, but anyway that is not what the article was about (if you are responding to me...I think). It was about how the culture of the country was affected depending on whether it relied mainly on fishing vs mainly on herding for meat. The article claimed that it had a big impact on how life was organized and so forth in the two countries. Historically, apparently, both countries could have gone mostly into either fishing or herding and theyended up making different choices...or something like that.

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    haha ohhh i thought youy ment japan fished and we "hearded" our fish, ie took in more then allowed!! ha

    japan and nz, have almost idential weater patterns and climate,landscape etc so they could quite easily farm there....btu tis better this way for us, cos we export out beef there and charge a damn fortune, and it all gets proudly labeled-by the japanese, as NEW ZEALAND beef, and they charge thru the roof for it, same as our butter and cheese there ha sucked for my tho, buying decent steak,was a rip off- mmmm PEPPER LUNCH steak....im hungry now.....

    and compleatly off topic...heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    japan and nz, have almost idential weater patterns and climate,landscape etc
    Yeah, that was the basic point of the article...that the two countries could have ended up with very similar economies, patterns of living and resulting cultures but actually became very different. It attributed a lot to the difference between fishing and herding...for example the need to live in communities packed together along the coast rather than spreading inland into the mountains, etc. I am sure that it overstated things, but it had a lot of clever points and observations...which I have forgotten.
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