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    Well I just woke up and they are saying on the news that the Pope is dead.. not dead... slowly dying.. I've been hearing the news about his health for several weeks now and frankly was a little annoyed.. But now that "that time" has come I am surprisingly moved. His time has come.

    I am at a loss for words, death doesn't usually move me that much and I am not a very practicing catholic. But I'm sad. Didn't know I had it in me..

    May he find a nice cozy place next to the Lord.
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    I hope he does find a cozy place next to the lord. I am not Catolic but, many of my family members are. I have watched this Pope for many years and he has shown so much compassion for people all over the world. He will be missed.
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    He has been one of the most - if not THE most - influencial Popes of all time.

    His support of the Polish labor union Solidarity resulted in the breakdown of the Warsaw Pact and the eventual fall of the Soviet Union. He was a seminarian in Poland during World War 2 and in the early day of the Communist takeover of his country.

    It could be said that his election to the Papacy was the deathknell for the Soviet system and the attempt on his life in 1981, blamed on the KGB, was to be the seal of doom for the Communist system around the world.

    He visited Cuba, being the first Pontiff to ever do so.

    He has travelled more widely than any Pope before him and has always seemed to be appreciated by the local Catholics, despite certain differences of opinion held by certain Catholic laymen and laity, most notably in the USA.

    While holding the traditionalist line of the Catholic Church on such issues as the ordination of women priests, abortion and homosexuality, he is still one of the most beloved Popes in the history of the Church.

    I'll miss him when he's gone. His successor will have some pretty big shoes to fill, I must say.

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    Yep, he will surely rest in peace, unlike most of us...



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    OH I liked him

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    Saw him in Giant's Stadium once with a group of students from my college. It was pouring rain during the mass and everyone was pretty much soaked. Strange thing, never got sick from it or found myself nodding off like I do usually when the masses are long. Quite a few people are gathering around the Vatican around now, praying.

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    As someone who was raised Catholic.... I would have to say that I didn't mind him even tho I gave that up a loooooooong time ago now (over 10 yrs ago).

    It will be interesting to see who his successor is and what and how that pontiff will act... hmm....


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    he is the first pope that did not go through the papal tiara coronation.

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    The Pope's dead, no way! I knew he was sick, but i didn't know he DIED!

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    i know it is really sad.

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    Note quite yet, Madcap....but close. Very close. He led a respectable life. I hope his passing (all types) go smoothly.
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    bullshit he was adickweed bigot

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    Actually, as far as popes go, he was pretty moderate. Innocent I was a mass murderer (if anything can be said about this scumbag, it's that he was a very practical Pontiff. "Kill them all, God will know his own" is his famous quote). Read up on some of the history of the office, you'll find that this one wasn't so bad, as far as popes go. Historically, they have been so much worse than JPII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Actually, as far as popes go, he was pretty moderate. Innocent I was a mass murderer (if anything can be said about this scumbag, it's that he was a very practical Pontiff. "Kill them all, God will know his own" is his famous quote). Read up on some of the history of the office, you'll find that this one wasn't so bad, as far as popes go. Historically, they have been so much worse than JPII.
    I'm not too religious, but I am sorry he is dead, personally I had more respect for Mother Teresa.
    Honestly when I heard he was dying I thought about all the children that were abused by the men he appointed and I wish he had done more.
    Or the "assylums" like Magdelene and the Sisters of Mercy where women and children were mentally and physically tortured by the nuns who were to teach them how to pray and love life, but it took a century for those places to be shut down.
    I'm not trying to be rude or insenstive of a life, but I really really wished he had noticed what was going on or atleast tried to punish the people that were caught doing it.
    If my facts are incorrect anyone may teach me of the real truth, but as it stands I would have loved to have had a leader that understood the trials that children go through just growing up and I wish that he had had the persecutors punished by law instead of left to religion.
    After all, isn't religion a thing for us to live by? Never should it be one to hurt by.
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    Well, Pope John Paul II is gone as of the Vatican announcement of about 2:30 PM EST today. He was one of the greatest people of the Twentieth Century, and he will be irreplaceable.

    I was trying to think of others on a similar level of service to humanity in the last century. I could think of only a few such as Gandhi.

    I am not religious to any measurable extent and certainly I would not be a Roman Catholic if I were. But I do have respect for this conservatively religious man.
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    I couldn't believe either, it is pretty sad.
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    In addition to the things that DJ Duane mentioned, add that he internationalized the higher clergy, dismantling the Italian monopoly and bringing in and elevating African and South American clergy. Not a bigot.

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    May he go to heaven and be "judged" by a God that is far more forgiving than he teaches/learned in his religion.

    I'm not Catholic anymore...but it's always sad to see someone go. May he RIP.

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    he looked like he needed a break

    he was 84 which is 9.5 years older than the life expectancy in Italy.
    I am sure that he was satisfied with that.

    he wasn;t looking good these last 10 or so years. he was holding on much like an aging king.
    I saw him more as a figure-head during those years.

    It has to take a lot out of you to be in that position.
    He was considered so near and like God.
    He is, after all, only human
    May he get his rest in Peace
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    Gypsy..here are some corrections for you

    FIRST understand the Church should have done more for the kids and to the pedophiles. but to discount EVERY member of a group for what a FEW did is just dumb. Do we discount EVERY stripper cause some are bitches? EVERY cop because some are abusive? EVERY union worker because some are lazy? EVERY businessperson because some fuck their secretary?

    SECOND your "assylums" are decades if not centuries out of date...what group of humans dosn't have some skeletons in their history?

    Jesus once said "leave to Caesar what is Caesars and to GOD what is God's" - to the Church, religious law (and they are a political nation, not just a church, with their own legal system) is higher than man's law. Some in the church decided the pedophile issue was a "god's law" thing....

    Truthfully, most of the "hiding" was not from the Pope's decree but those of the underlings - Cardinals and such.

    To decide a thing based on one issue is living with blinders on. We take off our clothes for work - should people decide we're ALL bad because they don't like that? John Kerry had a couple views I didn't like (and GW has a couple I do) should those couple items make up th whole decision (whatever the issue is...it's just PART of the picture)

    The pedophiles did a HORRIBLE thing and will pay for it one way or the other...it doesn't discount a whole faith.

    Look at John Paul's work with repairing inter-religious rifts (Judaism, etc) and international politics (crossing religious lines to work w Regan in the fall of communism and protection of MILLIONS of opressed people behind the old Iron Curtain), all the other things listed above. He was an amazing man...human, fallable, but amazing.

    Mother Theresa was equally amazing...but she always pointed to the Papacy as the source of inspiration. Without the Papacy her work wouldn't have been possible.

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    WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT HE HAD PASSED..THERE WAS A SADNESS INSIDE ME ,BUT AT THE SAME TIME A HAPPINESS THAT HE WILL NO LONGER BE SUFFERING AS HE HAD THESE LAST TEN YEARS. I AM STILL A PRACTICING CATHOLIC IN SOME DEGREE, A RELIGION THAT I WAS RAISED AND WILL ALWAYS PRACTICE IT TO SOME DEGREE.

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    Communism was destined to fall whether or not it had Papal opposition. Didn't hurt JP II was Polish either and probably concerned for his homeland. Reagan did more to help Communism than hurt it. East Minus West = Zero. He certainly didn't do anything to stem the rise of socialism in America. Unforunately, the Catholic Church has also promoted a lot of left-wing politics in places like Latin America, which has been detrimental to them and just made them juicy targets for the IMF and other such predators.

    That said, JP II was pretty good. He spent a good deal of time after Reagan opposing US war mongering, which was good. I don't think he was well liked by the Cardinals.

    Be nice if the Catholic church took up its old position as the countering factor against temporal rulers, instead of often encouraging the statist practices going on, especially in Western Europe and Latin America.

    I predict an Italian as the next Pope. If they elected Tutu as pope, I bet Catholicism would die in Europe. I think Latin Americans have a good chance at seeing one of "theirs" as a Pope but then again, probably not. Would a non-European Pope destroy Catholicism in Europe? My money is on yes! I also bet that if they found evidence Jesus was say, ethiopian or something, Christianity would become unpopular pretty quickly.


    After John Paul, another eastern European is unlikely to be elected; and the Western-Eurocentric world view of many powerful churchmen means the time for the election of someone from outside Europe or Latin America has not arrived. That said, the Nigerian cardinal Francis Arinze, 72, head of the Vatican department that supervises Catholic worship, is an outside possibility.

    Among the Europeans, several cardinals should be considered, including Dionigi Tettamanzi, 71, Archbishop of Milan. Theologically quite conservative but socially moderately progressive, he is very much a John Paul II man. He will appeal to conservative cardinals who feel an Italian should be elected.
    Most Catholics are not even European, much less Italian. I say latin America should split away from the Catholic Church! Isn't it discrimination that they only allow Catholics vote for the Pope? Why not let other religions vote for Pope!(I do realize satirizing such things is dangerous because people might indeed try to get such a suggestion realized)

    Another interesting point is that JPII appointed 102 of the 122 Cardinal Electors that make up the College Of Cardinals at present.

    Are we ever going to see a Jesuit Pope?

    Jesus never said to establish a huge monothilic church organization with tons of regalia and formalities either.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t
    I also bet that if they found evidence Jesus was say, ethiopian or something, Christianity would become unpopular pretty quickly.
    Rest in Peace JP II.
    ShOt.. I‘m confused as to why you think that? Most Christians simply want to walk in the way of Christ irrelevant of his nationality. I agree with the Catholic Italian issues vs. Latin America.. but Christianity?…


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    Why do I think that?

    Most christians ain't too Jesus-like to begin with.

    I seriously doubt Western Europe, for example, would continue on with Christianity if it was found positively that jesus was say ethiopian. Would they change the statues and paintings that show a blonde, blue-eyed, nordic type into a nappy headed african? Would hey still call that black figure "My Lord"?

    I doubt it.



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