This poll may have been done before but I can't recall, so I'll post it.
My sole purpose in going to the SC is to obtain extra's
I don't go to the SC for extras, but will not turn them down if offered
I'm quite content with no extra's being offered or performed
I'm very opposed to any and all SC extras
What's an extra?





This poll may have been done before but I can't recall, so I'll post it.



Where's the "I'm a cheap bastard, and don't go to clubs for extras, but won't turn them down if they are offered as part of the standard fee" choice?![]()



I guess I'm one of the few who do expect extras but usually know ahead of time if the club offers them.
Keep in mind extras where I am from means a none air dance.
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I'm one of those custys who lets the dancer set the tone...I may start with hands at the side but if encouraged I will go with the flow. Some of my most memorable dances have been with dancers who may appear to have "cold fish" attitudes, but maybe just weren't approached the right way.
"Women, not girls, rule my world" - Prince
"No parking on the dance floor" - Midnight Star




Yes, I vote for all getting on the same page about the definition of extras before continuing.
Someone recently tried to set me straight about this. "Extras" include HJ's, BJ's, DATY, and any kind of penetration (including digital)?
I think it's important to define these things, lest the discussions become hopelessly mired in ambiguity (and then the pinkies start saying bad things about you, and I have to go over there and regulate.)





Nic, this is the SCJ extras list updated from Sep 2004. The order can vary according to local preferences. For example, I've been to a CT club where #8 was done openly, even more than grinding. When in Rome...Originally Posted by Nicolina
The first set is for normal dancers (ND).
1. "accidental" boob touching
2. nipple not-a-munch (The nipple passes over the lips and the compression is not enough to alter the intended movement of the nipple. A guys's lips can sense compression before a dancer's nipple can, so for her it doesn't really happen.)
3. GF kissing, lips closed (this can be all over the rankings)
4. rubbing face on cock outside pants (chin, forehead, nose and mouth in that order of progression)
5. nipple munching (dry and wet)
6. cookie kissing with thong on
7. cock rub outside pants
8. cock grabbing outside pants
9. forced orgasm
10. cookie touching over thong
11. deliberate boob fondling
12. mouthing cock through pants (biting and sucking)
13. touching cookie inside of thong
14. pulling on labia
15. cookie licking with thong off/aside
16. hand job
17. boob fucking
18. fingering (anything deeper than the first knuckle)
19. DFK, but I've seen it at 1-3 (no thanks at that level)
20. BJ (covered and bare)
21. FS (anything else)
Separate list for submissive dancers (SD). Once you start pulling hair, the rest generaly falls under 3.
1. pulling dancer's hair
2. slapping, usually on the butt
3. pinching/biting nipples
4. finger on butthole
5. choking
Separate list for submissive customers (SC). Some dancers love this; others won't have anything to do with it.
1. pulling customer's hair
2. face slapping
3. spitting on customer with verbal abuse
4. pinching/biting nipples
5. customer sucks dancer's toes/feet
6. customer buys dancer's pee in a cup/beer can
Separate list for lesbian 2on1 dancers (2D):
1. boob fondling
2. kissing
3. nipple sucking
4. cookie touching
5. oral sex to orgasm
I can think of other stuff that's uncommon. For example, some dancers want to deep throat fingers after being fingered, but it's not common enough to make my list. For all references to cookie touching, licking and fingering, you can substiitute anal according to preference.
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Wow, Sporty, my head is spinning. That's a very comprehensive list.
IMHO, There's such a vast divide between #1 and, say, #20 on the ND list that I feel they should be considered categorically different, rather than all falling under the umbrella definition of "extras." Anyone agree?
A few questions:
#9 = Whose forced orgasm? (& forced how?)
#19 = ???
FS = ??





I think the definition of all extras should be the same-regardless of how common some low-level stuff may be in some areas and some clubs. Extras are anything beyond the rules of the the club-which are determined by local civic regulations. No club has a rule that allows boob fondling, weather it happens all of the time or not. I would venture a guess that no club actualy has a rule that allows lap dancing either, which means they can stop it any time they want. 20 years ago in Providence their where no lap dances. The city council didn't sit down and write a new ordinance allowing grinding, clubs and dancers just started pushing the envelope and everyone arrived at a level of contact that they could live with. I'm sure, when this happened, there where girls who freaked, refused to get near a guy, and thought it was disgusting to put their boobs in the same time zone as a customers mouth...look where we are now.





In my experience, dancers tend to give it up in the list order in high contact clubs. They're all extras. I'd categorize them by level of safety, but that's just me. If I were a dancer, #11 would be closer to #2.Originally Posted by Nicolina
#9 = Dancer forces herself to orgasm by grinding hard (or fakes it so well that you can't tell the difference)
#19 = Deep French Kissing
FS = Full Service (anything you want)![]()





Good poll RH. I voted for the third option, although in all honesty I was stuck between that one and the second. Extras kind of add a nice "icing on the cake" surprise when they occur unexpectedly, but if I came to a club expecting them to happen they just wouldn't be as appealing.
I classify extras kind of like hockey penalties. There are "majors" and there are "minors" (or if you prefer soccer "red card" and "yellow card").Originally Posted by Nicolina
A "major" extra is some sort of intentional sexual contact, illegal pretty much everywhere. Defining the far more common "minor" ones is a bit trickier because whether such things are against the law or club policy varies from place to place.
Former SCJ now in rehab.
I voted "what's an extra"? I voted that because i don't believe anything the dancer does on her own during her show is an "Extra".I haven't been around too much.The high contact club i go to is pretty safe because it's a open room/no private booths.So... anything she does i consider part of her show.I think an "Extra" is something you ask for and get.Most things that happen during her show would fall under "Your milage may vary".If you ask to finger fuck her and she says yes then you're gonna get an "Extra".





Originally Posted by Nicolina
i voted for "what is an extra?" for the same reason as well. i think there is a lot of confusion over the topic.Originally Posted by Nicolina
works for me.Originally Posted by Nicolina
that's much too complicated and unwieldy for my tastes. it looks like a scorecard.Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
well, it's easy enough to determine the local civic regulations by looking at the penal codes. generally speaking, any act where willy is freed would universally fall into the category of extras. however, depending on how vauge or how specific local codes are written. many other kinds of sexual stimulation by strippers would fall into that category as well. since, we all know local laws vary. it's better to keep this discussion in the general sense by keeping things simple by distinguishing mileage from extras. otherwise, you run the risk of running into a quagmire due to the various local laws.Originally Posted by yoda57us
sure, the level of contact in a sc isn't determined by the clubs, but by local goverments. any local goverment can write an ordinance banning lap dances if it chooses to do so. lap dancing (which isn't the same as nude dancing) has never been constitutionally protected. still, whether or not those ordinances will withstand a legal challenge or actually be enforced is a different story. conversely, a local goverment doesn't need to create a law allowing lap dancing either. in fact, many cities do not have laws directly addressing the issue because it would be an superfluous act if it already has laws on the books that covers acts such as prostitution.Originally Posted by yoda57us
i would go along with that notion. i can think of lot of minor acts that don't involve freeing willy which strippers commonly perform which aren't exactly kosher in the eyes of the law. any customer that's had his crotch grabbed by a stripper can see that.Originally Posted by doc-catfish
Is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man? The government scientist Dr. Yamuka has proved it is size of squirrel. - Borat
Alan Marciano: Oh, man...(to himself) Why did I get mixed up with that bitch?
Lt. Vincent Hanna: Cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it! - from the movie "Heat".





I might agree but, by doing that, we would simpl be openning the discussion up to everyones version of what constitutes mileage vs. what constitutes extras. My feeling is that extras are a part of mileage-a general term to indicate LD quality levels. Extras will always be part of over-all mileage but mileage won't always contain extras.Originally Posted by mr_punk
Originally Posted by mr_punk
Local laws draw a black and white line between nude dancing and prostitution. Prostitution is generaly described as any act of genital stimulation-in exchange for cash. Your right, the laws are on the books already to stop any club from allowing laps. What we get is what the clubs are allowed to get away with when they push the envelope. A very popular club was shut down in RI a few years ago when, after trying to force the owner out by banning nudity, the city finaly pulled the clubs entertainment license, effectively putting the dancers in a position where, since dancing was entertainment, and entertainment was not allowed, any girl who showed up for work and performed a lap dance-in bottoms and pasties-was acting lasciviously and commiting an act of prostitution. Unless you've got deep pockets, the constitution doesn't matter. Dancers won't hang around and make no money until the lawyers work things out.
Agreed. However, this is working from my own definition which is generally based on what separates high-mileage/contact girls from extras girls--basically, sex acts. Trying to delineate it further seems counterproductive to addressing the actual question at hand.that's much too complicated and unwieldy for my tastes. it looks like a scorecard.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
William F. Buckley, Jr.





it's simple. define extras first and anything else is mileage. defining extras is a whole lot easier and less confusing than mileage.Originally Posted by yoda57us
yeah, but mileage isn't necessarily universally illegal. a LD isn't necessarily illegal depending on the locale. as for extras? i can't think of a state in the U.S. where they don't have laws specifically addressing illegal sexual acts (like a BJ, HJ, etc) in exchange for money.Originally Posted by yoda57us
no, that wasn't quite my point. i probably didn't make myself clear. my point was that if local goverment didn't have any laws specifically addressing contact in a sc. it doesn't mean that lap dancing is illegal even if it's unprotected by the constitution. so, you can perform lap dancing. it just means that powers that be aren't too concerned with a sit-n-grind lap, but more concerned with a stripper setting willy free and that issue is currently being addressed with prostitution laws. it only becomes illegal when a local goverment chooses to address the issue by creating new legislation.Originally Posted by yoda57us
sure, any local goverment can shut down any club using the means of subversive tactics. from reading your story, it's looks like they shut that club down by going in the backdoor rather than the front. it's not uncommon, a local goverment can still temprorarily shut down a club if a dancer doesn't have enough latex on her nipples. if a club sells alcohol. it can discover some administrative problem with it's liquor license, etc.Originally Posted by yoda57us
Is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man? The government scientist Dr. Yamuka has proved it is size of squirrel. - Borat
Alan Marciano: Oh, man...(to himself) Why did I get mixed up with that bitch?
Lt. Vincent Hanna: Cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it! - from the movie "Heat".
I voted #2. Anyone going to a SC expecting extras, whatever they might be, is going to be disappointed 95% of the time. At least in my neighborhood.




I am the sap that voted for #4.
I don't get it. Maybe it is because I have a marriage with a sex life that I am comfortable with. Maybe because somewhere deep down, I am still that young boy in the 4 hour services in the small rural Mississippi Southern Baptist Church. Maybe because the places I have been where extras can be procured have been VERY VERY scary*, as opposed to the places where I really enjoy, where it would be an insult to even mention it (to MOST ladies, there are always exceptions.) *shrug* It could be ANY number of things, but I just don't FEEL anything positive about extras. I think they hurt the club and the industry as a whole, and I LOVE the industry. Anything that threatens the night I had last night will not be welcome to me and I think the proliferation of extras might have the potential to do that.
I have really, honestly, no BS, separated the strip club experience from sex in my mind. The two do not intersect for me mentally. Don't bother to tell me I am delusional, I have heard it many times. Maybe I am delusional. Maybe I need that delusion to enjoy the club the way I do whilst still enjoying my wife the way I do. But, for me, extras blur that line (delusional or not) and I just can't sit comfortably in a neutral position on them. I am all for legalized prostitution and for the sex trade in general. But don't hide it in the strip clubs...I like all the things they have going for them and I don't believe they need extras to be worth the experience.
As I said, I am a sap. But I am the sap who voted for #4. and I stick by that opinion.
"See, believe it or not (and I don't care whether you do), it's never been about the sex. I get sex at home, anytime, and we like it, and it's good for both of us. No, my stripclub experience has been about acceptance, and affirmation, and desirability...There have been some women who have a personality that just clicks with mine, and in the faux-sex atmosphere of the club, it's a mix that is completely seductive." - Jay Zeno




Forgot to explain the * in the first paragraph..it is a footnote:
* Except for Vegas. But Vegas is in an whole other plane of SC existance. It cannot be reasonably and logically compared to the rest of the SC universe.
"See, believe it or not (and I don't care whether you do), it's never been about the sex. I get sex at home, anytime, and we like it, and it's good for both of us. No, my stripclub experience has been about acceptance, and affirmation, and desirability...There have been some women who have a personality that just clicks with mine, and in the faux-sex atmosphere of the club, it's a mix that is completely seductive." - Jay Zeno





You're not a sap at all GenWar, I personally don't think there's a wrong answer to the question, just personal preferences, it's all good.



As I read responses, I think my feeling belongs in that "What's an Extra" camp. I joke about "I'll take what's given as long as there's no extra charge", so if something is given, is it an extra? No matter whether its a 1 or a 20? Frankly, I go for whatever level of enjoyment works for both me and the dancer...physically and financially.





Anything beyond a lap dance I would consider extra. So a handjob, a blowjob, her washing your car, etc. Those would all be extras





Good point NVJ. Is it an "Extra" if you don't pay extra for it? I've never paid a dime above posted prices for lap dance and, though I don't consider myself an extras hound, I've had my share, including a lady who currently does FS for a negotiated discounted booth price.
My assumption has always been that the ladies who choose to market themselves this way are banking on my return business. That or my charm, wit, personality, middle aged paunch and balding grey hair are completely irresistible to women.




Yikes! Are dancers really doing high-level extras without even charging extra? That's rather disheartening news....





Damn. 36 responses thus far and only four admitted raincoaters. And more than half of the remaining 32 are content with no extras at all. Based on those numbers, I'm not even sure we come up to average in our mileage expectations. Hell, we're practically gentlemen.
C'mon fellas, whatever happened to us (or even most of us) being disgusting, loser, dropout, swine rapists?
Should I bookmark this thread for reference the next time some malcontent upstairs screams about how extreme and perverse we all are over here?
Former SCJ now in rehab.




My point exactly.Originally Posted by doc-catfish
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