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    Default Do humans need to be this annoying?

    IF there is life out in space, must we broadcast our commercials and personal "talktoaliens" messages to them? Do they really want to hear how dumb we are?

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/0...ace/index.html

    if there isn't life out there, why bother transmitting?

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    Why do you care? Why don't you let others live and do what they want? If you do not agree with it, then don't do it. The broadcasting does not harm anybody/anything. Just leave it be.

    Geezus.

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    Default Re: Do humans need to be this annoying?

    it's called noise pollution. I don't care, but am responding to an article I saw.

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    Default Re: Do humans need to be this annoying?

    Fwiiw, this is totally a stunt, a somewhat silly one but nearly totally harmless (except perhaps for wasting some electrical power and some people's time). I suppose that it could be argued that it is slightly useful if it inspires a few people to think a bit about how we might look to aliens or what we would want to say to them if we could.

    But anyway, on the technical side, the extra "noise" this adds is extremely tiny compared to what we are already sending out into the Universe as a side effect of TV transmissions, radar and so forth...and on top of that, the total human generated "noise" of this sort is itself incredibly tiny compared to that produced naturally by the Sun. We are so infintesimal on the cosmic scale that "bothering anyone" is the last thing we need to worry about. So, imo, don't lose any sleep over this one...

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    Personally I think it's a good thing. If there are other life forms out there, they might not come and start a war with us becasue they think we are so dumb.

    But that's just me.

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    Well, lets hope that they had the good sense to beam"A stripper's RANTS" all over the universe. I'd hate to have extraterestrial beings not know the proper way to behave should they ever want to visit a strip club here on Earth.

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    Someone is gonna shit thier pants when an alien answers one of the ads...

    lol!!!!

    I dont see a problem with it at all other then its not a very good marketing plan imo.
    BUT
    If an alien DOES answer the ad,the advertising world will have a new golden boy.

    What i dont understand is how it can be considered noise pollution???
    Unless of course,someone thinks that there is a chance someone can hear it.

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    I remember a Saturday Night Live skit from long, long ago somewhat on this topic.

    It detailed the return of one of our deep-space probes; you know, the ones that have a map of the solar system on it pointing to earth and containing a cross-section of different cultures, music, art, and speeches recorded on it... in hopes of some form of alien intelligence someday coming across it floating in deep space.

    Anyways, the SNL skit was- one of our earliest probes miraculously returned and was obviously returned by a greater intelligence.. for on the outside of the capsule was inscribed in very distorted writing:

    "SEND MORE CHUCK BERRY."
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    Default Re: Do humans need to be this annoying?

    Exactly who is it going to annoy?

    Deep Space Communications Network aims their antenna at coordinates where there are no known satellites, and they estimate that their transmissions will travel approximately 1-3 light years.
    1-3 Light Years? All told OUR Solar System is about a Light Year across (Counting the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, all that leftover crap from the birth of the Sol System), since earth is so close to the sun (93 million miles) it might as well be smack dab in the middle of that so the transmission burns half a light year just getting out of the Sol System. Then it's got 2.5 LY left. Proxima Centauri (The closest Star) is 3.3 Light Years away, and that's a Red Dwarf meaning there is NO WAY anything is living there.

    Even if the thing went 10 times as far (10-30 LY) it's only gonna hit maybe 50 stars, none of wich are thought to even have planets. The only way E.T. is even gonna hear a transmission weak enough to only travel 1-3 LY is if E.T. already knows all about us and has something sitting there right by us, relatively speaking, to monitor transmissions it already knows are coming (Much of which is a LOT more stupid than craigslist.

    "Hey, E.T. buy a better washing Machine."

    "Eat Captain Crunch."


    This is a stunt. Or it's sent by people who know exactly dick about cosmological distances. If it wasn't a joke...



    Incidentally, we've been broadcasting in all directions since the 1936 Olympics (First signal of any signifigant power), so there is an expanding sphere of signals from earth about 69 LY across. No need to announce our presence, we already have.
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    Default Re: Do humans need to be this annoying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap

    This is a stunt. Or it's sent by people who know exactly dick about cosmological distances. If it wasn't a joke...
    Lol and they probably laughed at the guy who came up with the idea

    Musta thought he was on the pipe or something.

    Bet he is laughing all the way to the bank now that its all over the media.

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    The item mentioned is a vanity play. A signal from earth is a million billionth of what it was on earth by the time it reaches alpha centauri or (2.5x105)2/(2.3x1013)2 = 1.2x10-16.

    Double that distance and you cut that by a further 3/4ths (inverse squre rule). Since there are only about a thousand stars estimated to be within 15 parsecs or or about 13 times as far away as Alpha Centauri (1/169th as loud as a millionth-billionth) this is preaching to an awfully small choir.
    http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...s/980123d.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    Personally I think it's a good thing. If there are other life forms out there, they might not come and start a war with us becasue they think we are so dumb.

    But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    Personally I think it's a good thing. If there are other life forms out there, they might not come and start a war with us becasue they think we are so dumb.

    But that's just me.

    Kitana
    Of course, they might come to anhilate us before we become a real problem.
    "He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"

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    Default Re: Do humans need to be this annoying?

    That's assuming any extraterrestrials would even care. Remember, they wouldn't be human, thus human motivations would have little meaning for them.

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    Fwiiw, radio signals have no set range, so the claim that the transmissions will travel 1 to 3 light years is already techno-babble. They will in fact keep going indefinitely (into the expanding Universe) unless/until something absorbs them, getting rapidly weaker as the distance increases, as mtg notes. Whether or not they would be detectable at any given distance depends on both the transmission strenght and the technology (sensitivity) of the receiver.

    In any case, these messages are extraordinarily unlikely to reach anyone. It is not so much like putting a note in a bottle and throwing it in the ocean in hopes that someone will find it as it is like tearing the note into many tiny pieces, putting each in a different bottle, dumping them in the ocean from spots all over the world and hoping that they all eventually wash ashore in the same spot where someone will find and re-assemble them. In other words, not a way to communicate but just, purely and totally, a silly stunt.

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    Not to mention that it's entirely possible that the first Extraterrestrial intelligence any signal might encounter might still be in it's infancy. Clubbing each other over the heads (Headstalks? At any rate, whatever the local variant is) with alien ROCKS.

    Just because something is smart doesn't mean it's technologically advanced (Hell, the only example we have, us, has barely skimmed the surface of the Universe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    That's assuming any extraterrestrials would even care. Remember, they wouldn't be human, thus human motivations would have little meaning for them.
    Well, apparently you haven't seen "The Day The Earth Stood Still".


    Of course, this may play to your arguement:

    http://soundwavs.trekkieguy.com/1/14/romulans.wav
    Last edited by Silverback; 04-08-2005 at 10:26 AM.
    "He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"

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