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    Cohesive gel implants aka gummy bear

    Anyone know have any latest info on these, as far as complications when these puppies rupture? I am looking online for the latest news on them, but I get the same thing.

    I am considering getting them done by my friend's uncle. He's a doc in South America. He did hers & hers look fabu! But i'm a little hesitant still.


    Any info will be appreciated, thx!

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    co-gels can't rupture because they are solid aka gummybear implants so you won;t have to worry about that. I have them now just over a year and I love em. I had absolutely no complications thus far.

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    This is all I've been able to find regarding rupture of the cohesive gel implants

    http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache...+rupture&hl=en

    http://www.inamed.com/pdf/intl_aesth...t_Implants.pdf LOOK AT PAGE 21

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    On the news they did a report on them and it showed someone holding one of the implants and cutting it open with sciccors and nothing leaked out of the actual implant at all! The inside actually did look like it had the exact same texture of a gummybear.


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    Yes, I know that those don't leak.
    I was just wondering if anything can happen if the bag ruptures and that gel is exposed to your body, if something can happen.

    Thanks for the links Muyaha.

    FantasyGirl, if you don't mind me asking: Where did you get your incision & how big is it?

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    The Silicone from cohesive gel implants can still migrate through the body if the shell ruptures and all the same Silicone related illnesses / side effects can still occur regardless. Sorry for the lack of links, but I'm interstate.

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    Just like I said before. If you read the article or have read any studies about implants the body breaks down the foreign object and tranfers it throughout the body this happens with any and all implants. I know people with saline who had problems and there blood tested possitive for silicone droplets. It is something you have to consider when deciding to have the surgery.

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    That blood test you talked about is a blood test to check for antibodies to a synthetic polymer (antipolymer antibody test or APA). A common criticism is that a positive response to this blood test is not unique to women with breast implants; women who were healthy and without implants were also positive for this test and women without implants who had fibromyalgia also had positive test results. This test for that reason is not used anymore.
    The usefulness of such tests in the diagnosis or management of illnesses is questionable as indicated by the College of American Pathologists which states, "…laboratory tests measuring blood, urine, or tissue silicon, silicone, toluenediamines, or related substances are not currently indicated or useful for purposes of medical management of individual breast implant recipients. …such tests provide no findings uniquely indicative or supportive of purported silicone induced autoimmune disease in implant recipients. Interpretation of such panels as ‘consistent with silicone reaction’ for example, is not supported by the current medical literature. FDA states, "There is no widely available, standardized test to detect silicone in the body. Some large, sophisticated research laboratories are able to detect the presence of silicone or silicon (an indirect measure of silicone) in the blood, tissue and urine, but the meaning of these test results is unknown. …Further, since silicone is found in food and many other products, including commonly used medicines and cosmetics, it would be hard to determine whether the silicone came from the implant or another source.As mentioned by FDA, many of these tests purporting to measure organosilicon do so by measuring silicon and inferring that the silicon in the body fluid or tissue came from the breast implant. Besides being present in foods,190 medicines and cosmetics, silicone is native to many body fluids and tissues. It has been measured in body fluids and tissues for more than one hundred years.

    Also I wanted to add since I'm a complete nerd, I was lurking around the FDA website looking for more info on cohesive gel implants. On the FDA website there is a draft of guidence (how it's made, used etc) for using cohesive gel implants for TESTICULAR PROSTHESES. Yes fake balls.

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    I have read studies in prostheses as well and there were men with them who had autoimune related ilness as well. Also women with implants who breast feds children coming down with autoimune ilness as well. I

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    I have read studies in prostheses as well and there were men with them who had autoimune related ilness as well. Also women with implants who breast feds children coming down with autoimune ilness as well. That study tou gave the link to was a new read for me , I was really surprised to see that almost all in the test had silicone in there lymphnodes. I dont know about you but I wouldnt take the risk of that happening ie lymphpma and autoimune diseases I could do without. Aussie has some good links and is very knowledgeable on this subject.

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    fake balls? I don't know why I'm surprised...


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    Quote Originally Posted by michele1
    I I was really surprised to see that almost all in the test had silicone in there lymphnodes
    It should not be surprising that it was detected in lymph node tissue since the lymphatic system is to fight infection and work to filter thru and remove organisms/abnormal cells in the lymph fluid. Plus any fluid that goes into a lymph node will get passed thru the lymphatic system <---- this is why it is important in breast cancer to stage the cancer and if needed remove axilary lymph nodes since the lymphatic system will spread these cancer cells in the rest of the body. So I guess in a way the silicone gets into the lymph node via axilary breast node then gets shuffled to the rest of the lymphatic system.

    Here is the complete abstract quote from the one article that I linked before that had this abstract as a footnote.
    Pathology of Lymph Nodes From Patients With Breast Implants: A Histologic and Spectroscopic Evaluation.

    Katzin WE, Centeno JA, Feng LJ, Kiley M, Mullick FG.

    From the Departments of *Pathology and double daggerSurgery, Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, Cleveland, OH; and daggerDepartment of Environmental and Infectious Disease Sciences, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC.

    Am J Surg Pathol. 2005 Apr;29(4):506-511. Abstract quote
    There are only a few published reports describing the pathology of regional lymph nodes from patients with silicone breast implants. Systematic analytical chemical verification of foreign material has not previously been reported.

    In this study, biopsies of regional lymph nodes from 96 patients with breast implants were studied using conventional histology as well as laser-Raman microprobe spectroscopy and Fourier transform infrared microspectroscopy.

    Lymph nodes from 12 patients without implants served as negative controls. Foamy macrophages, ranging from rare scattered cells to confluent sheets, were observed in sections of lymph nodes from 91 patients with implants and only rare foamy macrophages were observed in sections from 4 patients without implants. Refractile material consistent with silicone was observed in sections from 86 patients with implants and in no sections from patients without implants. Fragments of foreign material consistent with polyurethane were observed in sections from 16 patients with implants and in no sections from patients without implants. Using spectroscopy, the presence of silicone was confirmed in 71 patients with implants, and the presence of polyurethane was confirmed in 2 patients with implants. Spectroscopy was negative for silicone and polyurethane in all patients without implants.

    In summary, regional lymph nodes from patients with breast implants often have histologic evidence of silicone migration. Characteristic histologic findings include foamy macrophages and refractile droplets of clear material. Polygonal fragments of polyurethane were observed in lymph nodes from a number of patients.

    This finding has not been previously reported. The presence of silicone and polyurethane was confirmed using confocal laser-Raman microprobe and Fourier transform infrared microspectroscopy. Other than two prior case reports, this is the first confirmatory evidence of silicone migration to lymph nodes in patients with breast implants and this is the first confirmatory report of polyurethane migration to lymph nodes.

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    Cohesive gel are great, iv had them for a year now they look gr8!!! I have had no problems, all this crap thats in health reports is just that. I think if you find a great surgon and are healthy complications of surgery are few and far between.
    The cohesive gel implant is proved to be the safest on the market, the other thing you have to be careful of reading about impants is, we never now exactly how big the sampke group is and what their health and other complicating curcimstances might be. The best thing to do is talk to you're doctor, my doctor was VERY honest with me, however if you do get it done, come mamogram time they can't see 40% of you're breast tissue.

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    I'm tired right now so bear with me... I've had friends/acquaintances with other silicone appliances (knees, hips, other) who have never had problems. I would love to see the long-term results on *those* types of alterations.. since they are necessary they are not subject to the criticisms that augmentations are. Just curious. I think a lot of emotions are wrapped up in the debates regarding cosmetic enhancements that skew the results in these studies... PC crap and all that (thanks Andrea Dworkin and your ken).

    I mean... I had symptoms of autoimmune disease - they went away when I changed cities/environments. How do we know that is not the case in some of these subjects? It is a realm of very little substantiated data!!! The symptoms are very non-specific. In fact, one study I read found very little difference in the percentage of affected implanted and non-implanted subjects.
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    Never said I was agianst them. Vyanka asked if there was any information out about rupture or gel bleed at this time. That's what I posted. Then another poster asked about the silicone gel being present in the lymph nodes, so I provided information for that. Does that make me against implants, no. Just posting more recent clinical study information on a medical device (yes implants are medical device).

    "however if you do get it done, come mamogram time they can't see 40% of you're breast tissue."

    In the inamed breast implant link I posted above I guess it's there draft of guidance on their breast implants it stated I think around page 20 or so that with cohesive gel implants MRI is recommended vs. mammogram.

    Regarding, silicone being used in other medical devices and those people not having trouble. The silcone that is other devices hips, joint, etc replacement is a silcone rubber which is different than the silicone gel that is in breast implants.


    If you truely have an autoimmune disease it can be tested via blood and used in conjunction with syptoms to figure out what is particular disease is the issue; Lupus (SLE), RA,(not including fibromyalgia) etc. The test is a ANA with a subtest of anti-dsDNA and anti-SM. Is it expensive yep, and not a great number of labs do it.

    "In fact, one study I read found very little difference in the percentage of affected implanted and non-implanted subjects."

    Post or link the study so we all can read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muyaha
    If you truely have an autoimmune disease it can be tested via blood and used in conjunction with syptoms to figure out what is particular disease is the issue; Lupus (SLE), RA,(not including fibromyalgia) etc. The test is a ANA with a subtest of anti-dsDNA and anti-SM. Is it expensive yep, and not a great number of labs do it.
    Yup, RA (rheumatoid Arthritis for those who don't know). Tested in Seattle, Washington (looking at test results dated 11-1-01... I don't understand the whole medical jargon part as Muyaha apparently does but I see under test names ANA and a whole long list under it.). Tests were showing normal levels two years later after leaving the state; symptoms gone. There was originally some question that it might be Lupus (based on symptoms). The tests, btw, are not 100% at least according to my Doc. Insurance paid for it and now no one will insure me because of it!!! Fun, huh! Environmental factors were guessed to be the culprit (black mold in the home) but who really knows. I'm just saying that AI disease can pop up for any number of reasons and while I don't doubt that silicone implants can cause problems in some people (including AI diseases), this is a hard one to pin down in the population as a whole. You can go to the Dr. a million times with the vague symptoms that surround these things and they probably will blow you off until you either get a sympathetic ear or demand the tests. You have implanted medical devices with the same vague symptoms and it is one of the first things certain Dr.s think of. In fact, with all the media attention, it is the first thing *most* people think of if implants are involved. I'm just wary of it actually being cause and effect.

    The other studies re: rates of AI disease in implanted and non-implanted subjects I'll have to hunt for but I remember this particular issue because of my own health issues and my desire to get breast implants.
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