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    An odd question

    for the dancers
    On average how many custies treat you as nothing but a sexually object?

    for the customers
    Do you treat the girls with respect?

    the reason I ask is cuz me and some coworkers got into a debate over how he treated the girls. i came from the "just because she works their doesn't mean she not a person corner" they decided that the sexual object corner.

    i used to fall into that catergory till my first lappy and she turned it completely around. maybe i'm weird. normal guys it has the oppisite effect on.

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    Firstly, see Wwanderer's thread in this forum on Special Ethical Arenas- it explains some of the dynamics of what goes on between customers and dancers.

    Secondly, I treat dancers with respect. What they are providing is entertainment, and there's no reason not to enjoy the view while treating them decently at the same time.

    You get back what you give - treat a dancer like an ars&$ole and she'll treat you like a wallet to be emptied.

    Finally, never forget the dancer is doing a job and playing a part. What they are like outside the venue is generally very different from inside. If you want respect from a dancer treat her exactly the same inside the venue, as if you would if you met her outside.

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    i treat the dancers with honor and respect and view them as wonerful creations, truly as gifts from God, not ITC, all but everywhere. i feel honored to be able to partake of their beauty, elegance, gracefulness, softest touch and smell--ITC,

    You have the toughest of jobs--pleasing a host of men, being all things to any one of them rain or shine, all the time. Available at a moments notice, Constantly on display, On the one hand a fantastic, alluring temptress, on the other, a deep, complex, enigma. Admired and desired by most, despised by an odd few, understood by none. You deserve some private time, away from the lime light.

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    My ATF was wanting a vacation, she got some bad new about a sick friend and had a pretty tough week. The second paragraph above, is part of a note i wrote her

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    sorry for the screwed up sentances and spelling--Monday morning!

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    I second the referral to Wwanderer's Special Ethical Arenas thread--that's an excellent thread!

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    By far the most compelling person I ever dated (and she was unique in this regard) was able to be, for me, a fully rendered, complex person (deserving of great respect, care and thoughfulness) AND a sex object. Rarely do we find these two aspects in a single individual, which would explain of course the popularity of SCs, the high American divorce rate, distasteful celebrity worship, etc., etc.

    Speaking as a customer, I'm quite civil toward dancers and waitresses, not to mention X wifes and girlfriends. It's not a moral choice for me; it's simply the way I'm wired. That said, I'll admit to sometimes being envious of the pricks and bad boys who seem to attract a lot of women. Fortunately, I've learned over the years that these women aren't ones I'd be happy having anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Cecil

    the reason I ask is cuz me and some coworkers got into a debate over how he treated the girls. i came from the "just because she works their doesn't mean she not a person corner" they decided that the sexual object corner.

    i used to fall into that catergory till my first lappy and she turned it completely around. maybe i'm weird. normal guys it has the oppisite effect on.
    Cecil, didn't you just make a post about dumping a big box of gum on the stage during a performance... I know what corner you are in...

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    I'm not taking the bait, Cecil. Sorry.

    For the rest, this is a disguised "how much of a PL are you" thread dressed up as something else. It's designed to get guys on here talking about how cool they are, and it'll probably work.

    Someone's goofing on us. This guy can't be for real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    It's designed to get guys on here talking about how cool they are, and it'll probably work.
    Ah, but you see, if we're cool, we don't need to talk about how cool we are. Because that's uncool.

    And if someone tells us we're cool, we must deny being cool. Because that's cool.

    And if at any point, you try to be cool, well that's clearly uncool.

    And of course finally, if you post on a message board a short list of things that are cool and uncool - well that's really uncool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Cecil
    for the dancers

    the reason I ask is cuz me and some coworkers got into a debate over how he treated the girls. i came from the "just because she works their doesn't mean she not a person corner" they decided that the sexual object corner.

    i used to fall into that catergory till my first lappy and she turned it completely around. maybe i'm weird. normal guys it has the oppisite effect on.
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    Shew, someone needs a hobby...and I'll give you a hint who it is...SC!!!
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    Although I don't take notes at work, I would say that 98% of them see me, or any dancer, as a sexual object initially. I'd rather them see me as a sexual object than girlfriend material though, so its all well and good.

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    I have to admit, i see almost all women as a sex object at first. I look at them, and usually think "would i fuck her, or not?"

    All men are like that, whatever they may say. And as much as it might grate on femenists, it'll never change. Guys hate being kicked out of the womb. Guys spend 9 months in, get booted by nature, and then spend the rest of their lives trying to get back in there.

    But, i remember they are human beings, too. Humans first, fuckable women second. I think that's okay.

    (Happy Cecil? Thank KittyKat. BTW, i still think you are full of shit!)

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    Sex object when I first decide who to get a dance from. I am not getting a dance from someone that I don't think is sexy.

    After we talk a bit then it's respect.

    2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    I have to admit, i see almost all women as a sex object at first. I look at them, and usually think "would i fuck her, or not?"

    All men are like that, whatever they may say. And as much as it might grate on femenists, it'll never change. Guys hate being kicked out of the womb. Guys spend 9 months in, get booted by nature, and then spend the rest of their lives trying to get back in there.

    But, i remember they are human beings, too. Humans first, fuckable women second. I think that's okay.

    (Happy Cecil? Thank KittyKat. BTW, i still think you are full of shit!)
    Glad you said it I would have got shit on most likely , and I agree with your thought process .Did you ever want one real bad and got her did your business then wished you had not because the friendship would of been more rewarding ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousJ
    Glad you said it I would have got shit on most likely , and I agree with your thought process .Did you ever want one real bad and got her did your business then wished you had not because the friendship would of been more rewarding ?
    Actually, no. I still know almost every woman i have ever slept with (with a couple exceptions). I'm pretty laid back about that stuff.

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    Course run...
    Last edited by Madcap; 04-26-2005 at 11:13 PM.

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    i was waiting for the honesty to come out, for someone to say, i treat dancers as sex objects first.

    honesty IS cooler.

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    what was that madcap? i was to buzy lmao about them closing my other thread
    Let the Flaming Begin!!!

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    *shrug*

    I think that, if Super Cecil did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlinmd
    i was waiting for the honesty to come out, for someone to say, i treat dancers as sex objects first.

    honesty IS cooler.
    Firstly, you've got a biased sample on here - most of the men who post are broadly sympathetic to dancers so are less likely to treat them as sex objects than a strip club audience as a whole.

    Ask the same question on the blue site and you'd get a different sort of bias.

    Secondly, attitudes vary considerably. Some men will treat dancers as sex objects, some as entertainers. I suspect the answer depends on whether the person concerned only knows dancers as steroetypical strippers, or whether he's gotton to know one or more dancers as individuals.

    Finally, surely to say the "honest" response is to say "I treat dancers as sex objects" is steroetyping the average customer just as much as dancers get stereotypes.

    Phil.

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    Thank you Phil

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