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    I know we had a $imilar thread awhile back, due to Jenna Jameson saying she made big bucks dancin' in LV. But, came across a quote in Playboy quoting a book, the average full time stripper in Nevada's Clark County makes 85k yearly...


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    heh.. thats only what they're reporting

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    Someday, I am definitly interested in checking out Las Vegas. For a weekend or something, once I move th California. There have been a few men in my club from Vegas, and they say that I might do well there. I hope so. How do you get a club to let you come for only the weekend though?

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    oh- it's SOOO easy to go in just for the weekend. one article I read reported that LV has about 50,000 dancers, and only 20,000 of them live there. Realize though, that you will have to get your sheriff's card before you work anywhere, but with the business license you have leeway depending on the club, shift, or manager.
    Also realize that it's probably not going to be the cash experience that you think it is. I know I built up las vegas a lot before I went, and all three times I did only higher than average of what I'd make at clubs in California. It also depends on what time of year, and what conventions are in town.

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    Default Re: Vega$ $tripper

    I think I saw that quote in Playboy. But I think it was for strippers who work full time- which probably means 5 days/nights a week. It's really hard to know what they make though and what they report.

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    Oh don't even get me started on this topic. I lived and danced there full time for 3 years. The "average" stripper that is clean in Vegas does not make that anymore. The "average" stripper/protitute in Vegas does.
    The "extras" girls make the most money in Las Vegas. If you are a clean dancer don't expect those numbers.
    That annual income stopped there after the mid-1990's. Those were the good times financially when $100,000 a year was possible.

    one article I read reported that LV has about 50,000 dancers, and only 20,000 of them live there
    How many of you have THIS many dancers in your town? The competition is cut throat and the nastier you are in Sin City Las Vegas the more money you will make. That's the name of the game there.

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    Where do you think the next "Vegas" is? Or do you think Vegas in the 90's was the prime place to make money, and nowhere esle could rival that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespell
    Where do you think the next "Vegas" is? Or do you think Vegas in the 90's was the prime place to make money, and nowhere esle could rival that?
    Minneapolis baby!

    Once I win that Multi-billion dollar lottery, of course!

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    Lol, great answer! Actually, I don't find Minneapolis all that bad. Rent is pretty cheap, and I'm told the clubs will pick up more towards summer.

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    Also, where do you dance in Minneapolis? If you don't mind me asking.

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    Is it really too late for the town? Is there some room there still, for a little class?

    I am planning on going there fairly soon, and so I would prefer to believe it ain't over yet...
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    Lovespell,I truly think you are better off staying in Minnesota.I read your thread about moving to CA.Do your research first.The clubs in Vegas are not nearly as lucrative as they used to be.I think you will be dissappointed.

    On a side note: There are thousands of women that flock to Vegas every year just to dance for a weekend.The clubs would be crazy to enforce a schedule or set hours under those circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    Lovespell,I truly think you are better off staying in Minnesota.I read your thread about moving to CA.Do your research first.The clubs in Vegas are not nearly as lucrative as they used to be.I think you will be dissappointed.

    On a side note: There are thousands of women that flock to Vegas every year just to dance for a weekend.The clubs would be crazy to enforce a schedule or set hours under those circumstances.
    She's only 18 let her see the biz and get some experience travel enjoy her youth, I by no means am an expert on dancing but I can tell you that the economy in Vegas is good and it could possibly fan out to other career opportunities .

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    Do you shake your bon-bon,CJ???You're a 40 year old guy.Not a young woman that is a dancer and needs new means to pay bills.Going there on holiday and seeing what it's about is one thing,but moving there and jumping in with both feet is just wreckless.
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    I don't mind being a little reckless.

    I don't think I would ever live in Vegas, but I am interested in checking it out for a weekend, just to see what it's like, and what all the hype (or anti) is about.

    Also, I'm not moving to California just to strip. There are other things there I'm interested in. (schools, friends who will be there). If I don't like it, or things don't work out, I can always move back to Minnesota. But why stay in Minnesota, just because it will be easier? Aything worth doing is going to be hard. Otherwise, why bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespell
    I don't mind being a little reckless.
    Just don't fall on your face because you can't make ends meet.Count on your bills to be at least 5K a month in Cali.
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    I did Vegas for the first time in January. It was profitable, but I worked 8 days straight doing double shifts at 2 different clubs. PLUS, I've been in this game >7 years and have mad hustle. I thrive in that environment and it was FUCKING HARD! I wouldn't have made it there back when I was a newb, I would have lost a lot of money on the trip......tread carefully!c

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    How did the hustle change when you went to vegas, if you don't mind me asking? Any techniques that usually work, but not in Vegas? Or new techniques you had to develop to work in Vegas?

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    The customers in the Las Vegas clubs have waaay more girls to look at and are MUCH more selective in who they buy dances from.

    The dancers outnumber the customers a lot and more and more of them are young guys in their twenties who come in groups.

    More dancers and club staff EXPECT to make more money here and it gets more cutthroat.

    Find an interested customer and go to the bathroom, and another girl will be sitting next to him trying to sell him while you are gone. NEVER leave the table if you find an interested guy in Vegas.

    Guys sit at the tip rail with their backs turned, tipping nothing, more interested in the throngs of girls walking byu than what is on stage.

    The DJ's don't push the crowd to tip the girl on stage.

    Guys you may be sitting with make uncouth remarks to you, and turn their heads while you are talking to them to look at other girls walking by.

    Customers are more guarded as many who have been to Vegas clubs in the past have been overcharged or feel they have been jipped in VIP, so they are more cautious about spending money. Guys have had their pockets picked.

    The customer whom you are now approaching has just turned down 20-30 dancers before you came along.

    As you are walking up to the table, guys wave their hands or shake their head saying no.

    Guys say they spent what they had on dances with other girls before you came along.

    In other cities you are known at the club you work in, the DJ may promote you, and the guys don't have as much to choose from. Guys are more open to sit and chat with you in other cities.

    In Vegas, when a girl comes to the table, guys see her as trying to hustle them. I have never had so many condescending remarks made towards me in a club as I have had in Vegas.

    You will approach more customers to get a guy to buy than you do in many other cities.

    If you are one of the more attractive dancers where you are now, you don't have to go through as many customers to make money. In Vegas other girls who look just as good or better than you are competing for the shrinking customer base.

    As far as the average full time dancer making $85,000 or $7100 per month in Vegas, that is a lie. $85,000 is a LOT of money to make in this business nowadays anywhere.

    I worked with some full time Vegas dancers and was told by LOTS of girls to look at what you make for a week, not by the day. Many were scuffling to make their bills, and had been at the club for 10-12 hours and only made $100 over their payouts. You never know how many girls you will be working with and that drastically affects the money.

    I average $300 plus a night after payouts outside of Vegas, and while working there averaged about $140 after payouts, full time. I have worked several nights in a row not making my payout back. I rarely experience that OUTSIDE of Vegas. I am one of the top sellers of dances in other clubs I work at outside of Vegas.

    Would you rather have a week like this OUTSIDE of Vegas:

    Mon-$300
    Tues-$200
    Wed- $200
    Thurs-$400
    Fri-$200
    Sat-$300

    Total-$1600 This is STEADY money.

    or a week like this in Vegas:

    Mon-$100
    Tues(-$50)
    Wed(-$30)
    Thurs-$530
    Fri-(-$40)
    Sat-$140

    Total for week in Vegas- $650 Very erratic. $100 above payout is not guaranteed in Vegas.

    This is reality for lots and lots of girls. It's hard to live on that, isn't it?

    I have been in clubs with 56 girls and 20 customers, and girls still coming to work.

    It is hard to dissuade people from doing something they really want to do, so go there, work a week or so, and let us know how you do AFTER payouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Guys sit at the tip rail with their backs turned, tipping nothing, more interested in the throngs of girls walking byu than what is on stage.

    The DJ's don't push the crowd to tip the girl on stage.

    Guys you may be sitting with make uncouth remarks to you, and turn their heads while you are talking to them to look at other girls walking by...

    In other cities you are known at the club you work in, the DJ may promote you, and the guys don't have as much to choose from. Guys are more open to sit and chat with you in other cities.
    I have dealt with this before and beat it, though at a couple clubs it was somewhat uphill--especially one.

    The bigger clubs can be harder to make a difference in, as the more dancers you have, the harder it is to give them the individual attention that will make them more money. But the fastest turnaround and the most success I have had with my technique was in the biggest club I worked in.

    If I do as I have been thinking about and wind up moving to Vegas, to do the architectural drawings (real estate development is really big there now) and to DJ, maybe we can see about this. Sounds like a challenge, but it sounds like we could have some fun living up to it, lol...
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    Vegas always has been and always will be a fantastic place to work as a dancer. Period.

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    hmm im confused some people think it's great and others do not. I plan on trying it out after i graduate school in like a year or two. I guess it's each to their own.

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    Tina, you are so 100% accurate about Las Vegas. I just wish the newbies would listen to the experienced Vegas dancers like us.


    Vegas always has been and always will be a fantastic place to work as a dancer. Period.

    I don't want to offend Dancerwealth here, I'm sure you offer some valuable advice to some who are not natural born sales people, but you have a biased opinion being that you make money off girls in Las Vegas with your classes. You promote Vegas because that's where your business is located.
    I love Las Vegas, I moved there for many reasons. But it's not a "fantastic" place for dancers anymore. Even experienced dancers struggle with many issues there that they might not face in other cities. For a young dancer, like the one who started this thread, 18 years old and living in the heart of the midwest, who has visions of what Las Vegas is and once at a real club there it could be a real shock to see how things really operate in "Sin City".


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    Tina, this is simply a great post about the realities of Vegas.

    Speaking as a real customer, when I travel to LV, my already high mileage expectations are raised to another level once I touch down at McCarren.

    You are dead on about so much of the interaction. While I personally am never rude to a dancer, or wave them off, or give dancers I am not interested in an excuse or three, I see it happening all the time.

    In LA, when there are 50+ people total in the club (patrons, dancers, staff), it's crowded. In Vegas, a typical real club (OG, CH2, Cheetahs) will have 5 times that number in dancers alone, and most of those are the hotties from other clubs who fly in for the weekend.

    Everything is on the menu in LV, everything. Without asking. Without making the first move. Dancers always initiate contact, then raise it, then either offer VIP room or OTC services. That's just a simple fact of life in this city. Last time I was at OG, I got a ton of dances from six different ladies, and each of them offered me her number without prompting. And those are the hotties.

    The less attractive dancers basically try to pick off the weak and the drunk yokels from the flyover states. When they find one (or, even better, a group of 'em together), they milk 'em for all they are worth. Not value judging here, just making note of reality.

    Just like certain clubs aren't for newbie dancers or customers, certain cities aren't for everyone, too. LV has to be the absolute worst place to learn on the job. Hopefully, some of the girls will learn from others here, instead of going through what so many already have experienced for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former_LV_dancer

    I don't want to offend Dancerwealth here, I'm sure you offer some valuable advice to some who are not natural born sales people, but you have a biased opinion being that you make money off girls in Las Vegas with your classes. You promote Vegas because that's where your business is located.
    The two has nothing to do with one another. If I were based in Sioux City, Iowa, I'd think the same thing about Vegas. I happen to know the Vegas market probably better than anyone because I was born and raised here and am constantly in communications with dancers, management and owners of clubs here on a regular basis. The fact that we teach our classes out of here has nothing to do with it. The truth be told, less than 10% of our students come from the Vegas area and being here in Vegas is often more of a hindrance than an asset as arrogant club owners and managers often do not see us for the value that we are.

    There is much truth in what Tina says and also a lot of half-truth. The supply and demand of this industry is somewhat unique in Vegas. Because the clubs are bigger and have more staff means that you have more bad dancers. It's just the Pareto Principle (80/20 Rule) exemplified through larger numbers. It's more difficult to see the effects of this in a club with 20 dancers, but in a club with 250, it's more obvious. THIS is why you have guys who waive dancers away or turn their back to the tip-rail. It's because in a club with 200 dancers in it, you have 160 of them who haven't got a clue what to do correctly to make the customers want to buy. As a result, you have guys who have been badgerd by seven or eight "wanna dance" girls before you show up. Why SHOULD'T they behave the way they do is the real question here. So rather than insult the industry or a particular city of customers, we need to take a closer examination as to what the issue stems from. 80% of the customers in Vegas are not Vegas customers. They are customers from New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, Phoenix, Houston, Miami, etc. etc. etc. Vegas is the melting pot for these people as customers, so if they all come from different areas and act the same when they are here, perhaps it's not the customers, it's the dancers.

    I love Tina, and I think she mostly offers some great insight into the club scene, although there's often more to it than meets the eye. In this respect, she is 100% incorrect as to the earning potential in Vegas. She is claiming that earning $7000+ a month is not possible and she's wrong. I can get on the phone right now and within 15 minutes find you ten dancers in Vegas making that much in a WEEK. Is that the norm? No, of course not. And yet if you can't make at least $800-$1000 a night in Vegas, it's because you'r doing something wrong. I knw this for an absolute fact because I've seen the numbers and there are hundreds, if not thousands of dancers in Vegas right now earning this. Are there $200 a night dancers in Spearmint Rhino? Yes, I know because I've worked with them too. Is that the norm? No, it's not either just the same way that earning $2000 a night is not the norm but yet it happens with many dancers also. An average dancer in Cheetahs, Rhino, Treasures, even Glitter Gulch is earning about $600-750 a night now. Hell, my partner Mandy makes about $800 in five hours at Sapphires on Monday and Tuesday nights and she'll tell you she barely even puts an effort forward, so if Tina is only making $200 a night in Vegas, we need to work with her game a bit because she's on the far, far, low end of the scale.

    The bottom line is that Vegas is a specalar city for this industry and it always will be. If your experience has been that there's no money here, it's because that experience is for you and you alone as the proof shows contrary evidence to that fact. I'm not wanting to come down on people here...quite the contrary. I just have an extremely unique perspective to this industry because I'm very much involved with it but not directly from the inside. I've seen dancers in Cheetahs walk away every night with $100 and I know two dancers inside Play It Again Sams making $800 a night, every night. Before it's said, you can't do "extras" in there because the VIP room is open for viewing. I love you to death Tina, and yet your sales figures are not near the average for what the vast majority of dancers in Vegas are making, so let's work on getting your figures up where they should be.
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