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    I've been thinking about this since the 20/20 debacle, and various other news pieces about "the exotic dancing industry."

    I don't like stripping being portrayed as a thin front for prostitution [pieces saying "What really goes on - blowjobs for crack!" or as "prostitution-lite" with women being sexually exploited - pieces about how women only do this because they are forced into by economic hardship [brought on by having a pile of kids and a drug habit] and they hate it and all men, but they have to do it. I'm sure there are women that feel that way, but the vast majority of dancers I've met don't feel that way.

    On the other hand, I don't want the industry to be portrayed as "looky girls, you can make $5000 tax-free a night by shaking your booty on stage - you don't even have to be naked!" Remember that "career speaker" at the middle school telling them that as a stripper you started at 250k a year, with an extra 50k per cup-size above a C-cup?

    Now, I doubt there are going to be any big TV/print specials coming up saying: "Stripping will make you more than Wal-Mart, but with current legislation pending and more supply than demand, you'll be lucky to make that much!"

    What kind of things would you like to see? Or would you rather you didn't see anything, and shows like "G-String Divas" or books like "Stripper Shoes" were never made?
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    I relly like this thread thank you crsrantluna. I would like stripping to be betryaed like any other job. I hate the angle that is somehow bad for women. I don't want it to be over glamerized i jusy want to be respected for my choice. I don't want to have to feel like i should not tell certicn people whay i do for fear they might not expcept it. Choice is my key word here it is a womens choice to dance not a hardship forced apon her. i could go on for ever here i have alot of opiones on this.

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    I'm so stuck on the old days of burlesque and strip tease. Women were graceful, sensual, and classy. No overt sexual gestures, no extras, no grinding, no mileage. I guess I wish dancers could be seen as just that... dancers. We're beautiful Goddesses, to entertain and be easy on the eyes. Expecting more has just skyrocketed over the years, and there is so much about the way the industry runs these days that fuels it. *sigh*

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    I so totally agree with you, Paige! When I was a lingerie model, there was no such thing as a lap dance. Flashing--extremely discrete flashing, was something you only did if the guy tipped you a $20 or bought about 100 raffle tickets that night. Every thing was so much fun and so low-pressure.

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    I just wish they would portray us as us..lol. Not what they think we are. A lot of times they show the extremes of stripping. Yes, some girls prostitute, but I know "good girls" in an all girl college that sell themselves as well. A lot of us don't do that. I loved my job. I hung out with my girls(most of us got along), got to party(in moderation), and made money for being sexy..lol. It's just a job, just like the garbage man or a school janitor..I wish people would realize that. In one of my other posts I said that these uppity people that look down on us were probably the same ones that picked on the school janitor. People are just so judgemental it pisses me of. The so-caleed religious people are the ones that really get to me.They want to go on about how "immoral" it is...blah,blah, but Adam and Eve were put on this earth in their birthdays suits and were supposed to not be ashamed and appreciate their bodies...I just want to ask "If you're so moral in your ways you should know that judging someone else is also wrong" I've wrote a book...lol..so let me stop here with my rant.

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    I'd rather there be no more movies or books about it.....THe fantsy has been ruined and that is a large reason our earnings are so low....... REmember the scene in the Wizard of Oz when they find out that the big smoking loud stautue is just the little guy in the back w/ a bunch of buttons and cranks.......It kills it. Once every customer realizes that strippers are just regular people, they will treat us that way.
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    Excellent point, Nina!


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    I don't want to be portrayed as part of the sex industry anymore.We do not have sex for a living.No offense to anyone out there,but I have a steady boyfriend and I live a very subdued and quiet life.I do not want to be within the ranks of prostitutes and the like.
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    Seems to me the practical problem with being a dancer is that to earn, you have to conform to stereotype. Most dancers are "single", "fancy" every guy in the place, no matter how old, decrepit, bald or fat, and are of course strongly "exhibisionistic" and get a real kick out of what they do. Every guy in the place knows that if they have just one more dance, (and it's always one more dance), you can get a dancers' phone number. To be otherwise would tend to cut down on earnings.

    It doesn't help that many guys fantisise about dancers - based of course on the above sterotype. When they go into a venue, they look through the tinted glases of their expectations.

    The reality is different, both inside and outside of the venue. Inside the venue a dancers primary motivation tends to be financial, while outside the venue there can be scant resemblence between "dancer" persona and real persona. The problem is most strip venue customers never get to see the other side of a dancer - all they see is the sterotype.

    Unfortunately, the sterotypical dancer is seen as a sex worker - hence the poor image that dancers get.

    On a personal level, I much prefer to regard a dancer as an entertainer, (with a healthy dose of eroticism thrown in). I'm happy to enjoy a few minutes escapism, and am quite happy to explain to the dancer beforehand that it's a bit of fun, not to be taken too seriously. I've always found this goes down well with dancers, who can then provide said entertainment without worrying about me being groppy, crude or after their phone number.

    Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy solution - most of the male of the species seem to prefer their "fantasy" dancer to the reality of treating a dancer as an entertainer capable of delivering a few minutes of fantasy.

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    Very,very well put Phil-W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    Very,very well put Phil-W.

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    Why, thankee kindly ma'am. (Bows low and exits stage left.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    Why, thankee kindly ma'am. (Bows low and exits stage left.)

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    How about not portraying the sex industry, and thus women who use their bodies for profit, alltogether as something bad and dirty?

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    How do we want stripping portrayed????

    considering that we are the people who make up this industry of ours, we really have more controll over the way we are perceived than we think we do.

    i believe that you define your own circumstances, in every sense... i get absolutely livid when i see girls doing things they shouldn't be doing in dances, undercutting the set prices, giving out phone numbers, hands EVERYWHERE, kissing customers.... we've all seen it happen.

    WE control the way in which the clubs patrons speak to us, treat us etc. If you want to be treated like a godess, then demand to be treated like one; don't demean yourself by engaging in some guys lip-licking dirty-talk.... i don't know if anyone finds this sexy? i sure don't. Everytime a dancer does any of the above, that guy goes home and tells all his (usually low-income!) mates. Then they all come into the club the following week wanting the same thing. AND IT SPIRALS DOWNHILL!!! We are not being paid to talk on a phone sex line, or be faux escorts at a petting zoo; the guys will treat you the way in which you permitt them to treat you, and portray you, and the industry in the way you let them.

    So if you don't like the way they speak to you, leave! that's the wonderfull thing about dancing.... if you don't like it you can get up and walk away. Engage in the fanatasy... but be a fanatsy, be something they can't have... just! in the end that's what keeps 'em coming back

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    I wish they would portray stripping as though it's not a traditionally female job. All people have to do is compare it to a traditional male job, like being in the military. If military people were traditionally female, all the same disdain would exist. "Oh they're being objectified, they're just pawns" "They're only doing it for the money" "They have self-esteem issues" etc.

    Other than that, I agree that they shouldn't have any angle about stripping. If they normalize it, it takes away all the allure, just like it would with any mysterious thing that the average American doesn't know about. Also if they normalize it, it makes people nervous, because then they realize there's nothing stopping someone they know from doing it.

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    Nina and Phil-W -- I agree with your posts.

    They both have already said what I wanted to say

    Oh yeah... I also want the income of a dancer portrayed a bit more realistically... saying that a dancer can earn $1000+ from 3 nights work is much better than saying that a dancer earns $1000+ a night. Along those lines... also that we are only paid if the guys spend money on us (eliminating the false impression that the clubs pay us to be there) and that the money we earn isn't tax-free... that we have to declare it and take taxes out of it ourselves since we aren't employees.


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    LilSweetVixen - I totally agree with your post. I think that because stripping is a traditionally female job it is looked down on just like any other traditioanally female job.
    I don't think that it should be over glamorized either. I did not see the 20-20 special. My sister saw it and told me that one manager said that a dancer in Vegas can easily earn 6k a week. What a joke! Even Pamela Anderson would not be able to earn 6k a week. Get real. I can't tell you how many dancers I have met who come out here from other places and say Wow this is what I make in my home town with way less competition and way less hustle.
    I think that we should be presented just like any other worker. Some waitresses are beautiful and well educated and make 50-75k working in super glamorous 5 star restaurants. Some waitresses are frumpy, uneducated, rednecks who make 20-30k a year and work at a Dennys in the middle of nowhere.
    I just hate it when we are all protrayed as drug addicts or super ambitious future lawyers. I personally just want to go to work and do my job and live the best life that I can at this phase in my life.
    BTW - Not all dancers are against dirty talk and grinding. I see nothing wrong with either one of those. I go to work to make $$$; not to be little, miss good morals, prim and proper. I'm a stripper; not a sunday school teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSweetVixen
    I wish they would portray stripping as though it's not a traditionally female job. All people have to do is compare it to a traditional male job, like being in the military. If military people were traditionally female, all the same disdain would exist. "Oh they're being objectified, they're just pawns" "They're only doing it for the money" "They have self-esteem issues" etc.
    Secretaries, Teachers and Nurses are all traditionally female jobs. They are not looked down upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite
    I go to work to make $$$; not to be little, miss good morals, prim and proper. I'm a stripper; not a sunday school teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eques
    Secretaries, Teachers and Nurses are all traditionally female jobs. They are not looked down upon.
    Until just recently they were all looked down upon--- secretaries were stereotyped as the boss's plaything and unessential to an office. Teachers were looked at as glamourized babysitters, Nurses as hypersexed pooperscoopers and playthings of Dr.'s.


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    I would like to see it portrayed as any other job. With its pluses and minuses. It isnt for everyone, and it should be shown that way. Too many people think we make tons of money for no work, are hookers, and that its degrading to women. People need to be given a balanced view of it, not the extremes that are out there now.

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    I don't think people need ANY view of stripping. They have their minds made up and that's that. And frankly, I agree with Nina that I'd rather see NO portrayal. They'll never get it right anyway.

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    How about the fact that I have Exotic Pageants Trophy's that I can't display 'cauz of family or a few guys that have been in my house etc

    BUT Vh1 is glamrizing the Male stripping world with a strip search realtiy shoow , they shw that industry as a better way for a good loking guy to make money and thats ok ????!!!

    I think that this is a male dominated world ( more than we already know ) and that they can not stand to see a women in such power
    either that or the world is secertly run by less fortunete women and thay hate beautiful women?

    I dunno it really sucks though , but it doesn't hep our case either way when there are those dirty clubs out there and the dirty dancers too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eques
    Secretaries, Teachers and Nurses are all traditionally female jobs. They are not looked down upon.
    Um, on your planet, maybe. Here on Earth the prestige accrues to management, professors, and doctors.

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    i'd absolutely love it if strippers were portrayed as "people"

    and not just "strippers"

    we are more than our jobs, and so is everyone

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