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    I support this how can you not sometimes We the people must step in .

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    I prefer the illegals over the border patrol and INS and Gov Arnold.

    The illegals MIGHT rob me. The Border Patrol and INS agents are already doing it while Arnold is borrowing lots of money on MY credit.

    I personally support open immigration, I would rather end the welfare state. I don't want immigrants OR natives getting money from the government. Where they were born means nothing to me.

    I would support the Minute Men if they were shooting up congress.

    Arnold is doing far more to hurt california now than illegals could dream of, including tons of borrowing the state doesn't need to be doing. I suppose his banker friends don't mind however, as they buy tons of government bonds and make a pretty penny on them.
    If Arnold wanted to end the problems caused by illegal immigrants, he should shut down the welfare state in California and end the minimum wage instead, real solutions to real problems.
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    The illegals MIGHT rob me. The Border Patrol and INS agents are already doing it while Arnold is borrowing lots of money on MY credit.
    Technically speaking, Arnold is forced to borrow lots of money to provide court mandated social and health benefits to many illegal aliens in California. If you're unhappy about having your 'pocket picked' either ...

    A. stop illegal immigrants from crossing the San Diego border in droves
    B. support politicians who will appoint judges that will decide differently in regard to the legality of providing mandatory US social and health benefits to non-citizens
    C. move to a different state

    of the three logical choices, IMHO only C. is realistic

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    Illegals get a free ride because states have to abide by federally unfunded mandates.

    Here's to hoping Arizona's Prop 20 spreads to every state.
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    Here's to hoping Arizona's Prop 20 spreads to every state
    Here's hoping that the US Supreme Court doesn't get the opportunity to strike them all down ! As to California, the state supreme court already mowed down a very similar Prop 187 ...

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    I heard the minute man project is going to California!

    I expect the radical left to promote the violence they so badly "don't want to see."

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    I expect the radical left to promote the violence they so badly "don't want to see."
    This was already tried i.e. three left leaning reporters attempted to become Minutemen volunteers for the express purpose of stirring up a violent incident which they could then subsequent provide news coverage about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    This was already tried i.e. three left leaning reporters attempted to become Minutemen volunteers for the express purpose of stirring up a violent incident which they could then subsequent provide news coverage about.
    Do you have more info on this?

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    What's the big deal about the Minutemen anyway? They're just doing a different version from my local "Neighborhood Watch" teams...observe and report violations in the law or suspicious activity relating to violations. Nothing wrong, and some substantial things right, about their work. Not personally for me, but I don't see the big deal.

    In several weeks of operation, they've had no violent or negative episodes that I've heard of...no signs of vigilante justice and have been applauded by the law enforcement crews in the jurisdictions they serve.

    Can someone explain why there's been all this fuss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    What's the big deal about the Minutemen anyway? They're just doing a different version from my local "Neighborhood Watch" teams...observe and report violations in the law or suspicious activity relating to violations. Nothing wrong, and some substantial things right, about their work. Not personally for me, but I don't see the big deal.

    In several weeks of operation, they've had no violent or negative episodes that I've heard of...no signs of vigilante justice and have been applauded by the law enforcement crews in the jurisdictions they serve.

    Can someone explain why there's been all this fuss?
    That is a great analogy to the Neighborhood Watch movement.

    I think the big fuss is -

    On the really radical left, they believe that people should be able to just wander in and out when they want to. All this talk about Bush being a part of this One World Government and really they want one too - so there are no borders.

    Moving a little bit over - the communists believe in Power to the People - as in the "poor people" - and have found a cause in people leaving impoverished nations.

    (By the way - Mexico has a great abundance of natural resources, including oil, and really they should not be so "impoverished." Something else is at work down there. The Motorcycle Diaries can give you an idea of what it is, though Che certainly went the wrong way in trying to fix it.)

    The compassionate left says we have so much here, and maybe some guilt about having so much, that we should let more people in simply because "it's the right thing to do." Meanwhile, as we go and install democracies in fascist countries they say "That is the wrong thing to do."

    Oh yea, and lets put economics aside since we have so much (personal, corporate, national debt) that surely we can afford to let a couple more people to clean our houses. (I am reading a book called Nickeled and Dimed, On NOT getting along in America. This is a good book. In it, it mentions a little white girl seeing a latino child and saying "Look mommie - there is a baby maid!")

    After all, if we get a clean house out of it all the while "giving them a chance" then it has to be alright eh?

    And meanwhile, the right likes...

    The idea of having people swoop in who can basically be worked like slaves. Pay them minimum wage and then complain about it. People living in vans, homeless shelters, or packed three families to a house as "the working poor." Tell me, how is it different than the costs of housing and feeding slaves? The good thing is one doesn't need to be responsible for their "property" as they are free people welcome to come and go as they please.

    They like to have people who can be replaced on a minutes notice from the millions of others out there clamboring for the same job. "Know you place" - course, that is a whole nother thread isn't it?

    And they like the wage deflation this "free market" of labor has on the economy. Oh the free market is all knowing and all good. Of course, I don't know anything that doesn't have to be tinkered with - even God tinkers with his creation via evolution.

    And lets throw in the loss of value happening in the country. Jobs are NOT creating the value they once did as factories, white collar work, and R & D are shipped over seas to benefit those countries and the limited few here in the US. (Hey buy some stocks in the corporation - I happen to have a few I can sell you - then when they go up a nickel YOU'LL BE RICH! But oh hey, they can go down to nothing too, but it's not my fault.)

    With these ex-jobs one could create value with fewer people. Now, if you have a country falling into low wage jobs, you have to make that up with masses of people in low wage jobs. It's the only way to prop up Social Security and the various state governments - which will never shrink like the job value base - nor ever go away - like the valuable job.

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