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    My club has had a few visits from the vice nazi's recently.
    I just want to start a conversation about this so that we can learn from eachother about how to protect ourselves from those evil, corrupt pigs.
    Here are a few things that I have learned by talking to other dancers and from doing some research on the internet.

    If a dancer gets fined for 1k for touching her own butt, the club has to pay the exact same fine as the dancer.

    If employees of the club warn the dancers that the vice nazi's are in the house they can be fined and arrested. (of course most dancers can sense when they are in the presense of the evil vice nazi's(so what's your real name, do you work outside the club, do you date customers, can I get anything special in the vip room, exactly what will you do for me in a lap dance for how much $$, exactly what can I get away with touching in a lap dance for how much $$, do you know where I can buy drug ____, etc....))

    I want to know what scumbags are responsible for sicking the nazi's on me and my fellow hard working women. Does anyone know?
    Please post any information that you have so that we can shine a big, bright spotlight on these pigs and protect ourselves from their evil doings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite

    If a dancer gets fined for 1k for touching her own butt, the club has to pay the exact same fine as the dancer.

    If employees of the club warn the dancers that the vice nazi's are in the house they can be fined and arrested.

    I want to know what scumbags are responsible for sicking the nazi's on me and my fellow hard working women. Does anyone know?
    Please post any information that you have so that we can shine a big bright spotlight on these pigs and protect ourselves from their evil doings.
    Umm... are those local laws or maybe county? We dont seem to have those here. And is touching your own butt something that was made clear by management that it wasnt allowed?

    I may not be getting all of the details but... vice only does what vice is told, and if the laws of the area are clear and made clear to employees and independant contractors, it isnt anything really faulty on their part.

    But like I said, I dont know the whole story, both yours and theirs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite
    My club has had a few visits from the vice nazi's recently.
    I just want to start a conversation about this so that we can learn from eachother about how to protect ourselves from those evil, corrupt pigs.
    The other way to look at it is that there has to be some form of regulation to protect the interests of everyone involved; dancers, customers and venues. If you had a total free for all, you'd have a significant minority of customers insisting on very high contact lap dances and some dancers pressured to go beyond their limits in order to compete against the "high contact" girls.

    You'd have venues that didn't comply with fire, hygene and other regulations, and you'd have customers that could be ripped off by the less scrupulous venues.

    The people that visit clubs are not necessarily "evil corrupt pigs", but individuals trying to enforce a law or regulation. The problem is:

    (a) To make sure that the law/regulation has a good balance between protecting the interests of dancers, customers and venue.

    (b) That the person enforcing it behaves in a responsible manner.

    Turn it on its head. Do you want drugs feely available in your club? Do you want your club to be an "extras" club?

    There has to be some regulation, and unfortunatly there will never be regulation that satisfies all parties involved. It has to be a compromise, and compromises never satisfy anyone.

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    Unfortunately, if any local District Attorney is pressured to crack down on strip clubs, there are 'creative' ways to interpret state prostitution and lewd conduct laws to support busting dancers. Many cities and counties also have their own anti-dance club ordinances in effect which makes busting dancers even easier.

    Points to remember ...
    #1- just because certain things have been going on in strip clubs for years without a bust does not mean they're legal
    #2 - just because a clubowner tells dancers that something is OK does not mean it's legal either
    #3 - even if one particular dancer IS working 100% legal does not mean that she can't be busted right along with other girls who aren't quite so legal
    #4 - when a dancer comes before a judge and jury, they'll believe whatever the arresting officer says 99% of the time (even if the officer is stretching the truth)

    As to who is responsible for strip club busts, I'd guess that it's a combination of huge state/local gov't budget deficits (all that fine money comes in mighty handy for the city), and increasing liberal/conservative polarization in local politics (and it's not always conservative locations who are seeing the busts lately).

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    LNGU, I would share the stuff you know with your fellow dancers--ie, that vice is going to try to get the to admit to an act of prostitution, which could be something as simple as saying, "I'll let you touch me in VIP." Never ever ever say anything like that--you are then offering an activity for money, which counts as solicitation.

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    I want to know what scumbags are responsible for sicking the nazi's on me and my fellow hard working women. Does anyone know?
    Here it's soccer moms bitching and whining about their "property values" and b/c they can't keep their men at home, the city not being able to control drug dealers, rapists, and murderers so they pick on strippers, and (or so I've heard) club managers selling out the dancers. The last bust at our club resulted in 23 of 25 dancers being ticketed for minor infractions (2 were kinda bad, actually). I heard that one of the managers agreed to let vice bust the club so that LE would leave us alone for a set period of time.

    They haven't been back for almost a year now.

    Any tips on how to identify vice? I'm fairly legal, but with dancers getting busted for merely touching a guy's shoulder while topless onstage, I'm a bit petrified.

    My current technique is to watch what they drink (although I have seen vice buy a beer and keep it on the table) and touch their chest, back, and their ankles for badges/guns while fully clothed. Of course this does nothing if they have their badge in their wallet, but hey...I'm trying!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite
    If employees of the club warn the dancers that the vice nazi's are in the house they can be fined and arrested.
    I've never heard that one.

    One important thing to remember is that the police can lie and use just about any deceptive tactic you can think of in order to make an arrest.

    Watching what they drink is a good tip. I doubt that there is a law that prohibits a vice officer from drinking while "undercover". However, its my understanding that most of them try not to drink too much as the dancer could use that in her defense..."Sgt. Friday, how many drinks did you say you had before you arrested my client?" It might be worth it to alert the waitresses to this and ask them to warn the girls when appropiate.

    A lot of vice are very interested in any drug use. Busting girls for drugs ranks a lot higher on their list than busting them for violating some distance rule. Also, don't ever say anything about having sex for money, even joking. If a guy asks, "how much for you to go to my hotel room?" and you reply, "$3,000", guess what, you just got busted for prostitution. It doesn't matter if you are serious or not. If the cop claims that he thought you were serious, he can bust you. Whenever I'm asked about drugs and sex, I always express shock and outrage and assure the guy that such things are illegal and would never be allowed in my club.
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    I was just going to start a thread on this today. I hate working w/ vice cops around.
    Some of the girls like you said LNGU can sense when they are dancing for a vice cop. Around here they are starting to come into clubs...getting "illegal" dances and then leaving. They come back and call the accused girls into the office to get fined or arrested. I hear of mostly fines around here.
    The only way I know now since these are my 1st few days working here is them asking those type of questions above. But, in a sense alot of guys ask those types of questions. I wish there was something else that would alert me ...like a siren or something.
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    Couldn't clubs just install metal detectors? If a cop comes in (with his badge & gun) the metal detector would be set off. If LE refuses to walk thru, send out the alert!


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    My club has had a few visits from the vice nazi's recently.
    I just want to start a conversation about this so that we can learn from eachother about how to protect ourselves from those evil, corrupt pigs.
    Are you dancing in Las Vegas? Vice was always a problem there. When I worked OG's the bouncers would warn us. I had several say "heads up, vice is here"......alot of girls would even leave just to avoid any problems. Things were pretty heated for a while back in 2001-2002 there and there were a few times I left when I found out they were in the club. I would have felt so bad had I gotten busted for something really dumb. I was working in 2 clubs there when a complete raid by the FBI happened, now that is way worse than just vice. They didn't want anything to do with the dancers, but it was damn frightening when you're in the middle of a lap dance and some guy rushes up next to you with a loaded automatic rifle.....
    Some smaller clubs I worked in vice would always be asking the usual questions about drugs, "services" offered...I would just avoid those guys.
    You have to go with your gut instinct if you are suspicious of a customer.

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    Just another thought I had. If you are talking with a guy and you sorta get the feeling that he might be vice, you might ask some detailed questions about his job. I know some guys don't like to talk about their work at the club, but if you're thinking he might be vice, you might ask anyway. If he's very evasive and gives very little detail, it might be that he's vice, and didn't take the time to think through his story. Just a thought.
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    Thanks for all of the responses.
    Some other things that I wanted to add that I just thought of:
    Most vice nazi's will order a beer (never a mixed drink) and they always look around the club instead of watching the dancers on stage or checking out the girls who aren't doing dances. They constantly scan the club to see how many working women they can extort $$ from. Of course, any guy who goes to a club and says he is looking for drugs is an incredibly dumb and obvious vice nazi.

    Just a few weeks ago I had some loser who asked me how much it would cost for me to go back to his hotel and I told him 10 million dollars. I think I'm going to start using that line more often. No judge could possibly bust me for using that comeback.

    I don't understand how these evil nazi's are able to justify going after us when they should be going after the real criminals. The real criminals are the dirtbags who solicit us for prostition and sexually assault us when we are just trying to do our job. I think it has everything to do with the fact the the predators who do all of these illegal things have a lot of $$ and connetions that we simple working people don't have. (-Just to clarify I am not calling the regular customers predators- I love regular customers I hate predators)

    Basically it seems pretty safe to assume that any guy who asks about drugs or protitution is a vice nazi. That is something that I have always known.

    I just don't want to be the easy prey for some stupid, corrupt, greedy, lazy nazi who needs to put some more $$$ in his budget.
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    ^^ Thats really good advice there. I want to avoid them at all costs. I know what you mean by predators too. The ones that are there simpley to make our shift miserable. Ive heard they give girls like little $25 fines or well if it was a bigger offense like drugs and arrest would be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite
    Just a few weeks ago I had some loser who asked me how much it would cost for me to go back to his hotel and I told him 10 million dollars. I think I'm going to start using that line more often. No judge could possibly bust me for using that comeback....
    This is a very bad idea. The VN will of course not hear the "million" part, and bust you. Then it's a he said she said in front of the Court. Anything to collar a cute stripper that won't give 'em the time of day in RL. The swaggering VN will no doubt express some surprise at the low cost to the Court, but attribute it to his natural charm with "the ladies". There's a good reason some cops are referred to as pigs.

    LE can be truly phenomenally skilled liers. Ray Perez of LAPD Rampart was [according to some informed frontline jounalists] a straight-up gangster, but still charmed the DA and several grand juries with elaborate tales implicating every single person that ever looked cross-eyed at him of a felony. Perez [allegedly] destroyed the lives of numerous good cops and [allegedly ] got away with a major bank robbery, stealing pounds of cocaine from the LAPD evidence locker, and a sampler of various violent crimes including possibly involvement in a homicide of a famous rap star. Women on juries supposedly swooned like pathetic groupies over this guy.

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