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    I met an old friend today; a dancer I've known for years. It was her first day back at Angels and it was a super pleasant surpise to me. She looked hot as ever and was even nicer than before and she was always very nice. I noticed that in the interim she had had another baby. Her first baby did NO damage that was visible. The latest addition to her family caused some wrinkling and sag above her belly button as well as as vertical line type indentation above her bellybutton.

    Hopefully, everyone wont get angry with me, BUT, looks are super important to me. If I did NOT like her so much, then I would have just said NO to buying dances from her. I did get a bunch of dances and she did better than ever or it was just that I missed her company.

    I don't know if it makes a difference, but she is black and relatively poor. She use to work a second job as a security guard when the opportunity was available and her car was falling apart and it seemed like she was getting taken advantage of by her mechanics. She is just a little slow, which means she is a mental giant compared to Presiden Bush. (BTW, I did like Reagan because he at least advocated smaller government.)

    So why do some women--it seems like more of a problem with black women-- have this "problem"? Is it to late to fix without spending an arm an a leg? Do I dare bring it up? I like it when a woman is honest with me about my short comings, but I doubt most women would like that especially from a male.

    Identification of what has happened? Solutions?

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    No, dont bring it up unless you are forking over cash to help her fix her "problem". Ive never had any kids (coming from somone who is black/white herself) and would it would be better to see what youre talking about w/ a pic not of her of course.

    Being poor has nothing to do w/ her medical condition. If you really like her as a person then you would look at her scars as much. I new a few dancers w/ a post baby pooch but they were awesome people so I over looked it and never brought it up. Needless, to say they still did well.

    As for her disability..is she uneducated or actually have a disability. In that case if she is offer her to a mechanic you use and trust so she doesnt get ripped off again.

    This is why you shouldnt say anything to her (unless she is suffering from it physically): Its like poiting out that a kid cant read....are you helping that person by pointing out their disability...no. If she brings it up then and asks for your opinion then you can be honest and offer help w/ your opinion. Im not talking just cash but support as well.

    Theres only so much you can do w/o intruding on her personal life. I dont know how youre customer/dancer relationship is but offer your help when she asks and keep going in being her regular.
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    I'm sorry I still don't understand what "problem" you are referring to. If it's the wrinkling and sag above her belly button then it's obvious. When skin is stretched out that much it tends to sag especially if it hasn't been that long since birth. It takes even longer the second time around. Stretch a rubber band once and it bounces right back. Keep stretching it and it eventually stays loose. It will go back eventually, and she probably knows this and doesn't want to fork out the money immediately to fix it right now. It's not just black women it's all women. It just takes time (and a lot of skin firming lotion!) Example to your left after 3 kids. I had a lot of loose skin up until recently...

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    Hi TigersMilk,

    I don't know much about this type of "problem" except that some women look really hurt and others still look perfect. I remember one favorite who really surprised me because she had a baby and came back quick with nothing as far as stretch marks or wrinkles or scars. It was like you had a baby just a little bit ago and you look perfect? How is that possible I was thinking. Yet another dancer around the same age looked like she had a really rough time. It was so bad that I was thinking that if I were a woman I'd be afraid to have a baby. Heck, even as an ugly guy I like to look good. Yes, I'm vain but I have nothing to be vain about. I just like to keep the damage of life to as little as possible.

    I did talk to her about her car way back and tried to help. I was able to get it running at least. The problem was she was driving a "complex" older car. Complex is a relative term. It had lots of junk that I don't know much about--like computer chips that retail for $1,500 but the right supplier will sell for $50. I drive a very old car that is so simple that anyone, including me, can fix almost anything on it. Plus, it never breaksdown--after I got done making the initial repairs the first year. The previous owner ran it into the ground and because I know about this car I was eager to buy knowing I could fix it and keep it running for nothing. Unfortunately, I don't know any mechanics. I just know from what she told me that they were way overcharging her and feeding her a line of bull. If I had known, then just my going to the mechanic and talking shop might of saved her a lot of money. I know enough where I won't get burnt too bad.

    When I say a little slow it is not like she is brain dead. I don't like to equate education with intelligence, but she probably lacks a basic education. As a grade school drop out I shouldn't really talk. LOL! Perhaps a basic education would make the difference. I just don't know. My neighbor's child was SLOW and the parent was well aware of the problem. I spent hours and hours and hours and days and days and days teaching the child basic math skills. I was thinking this is the world's dumbest child. He will never learn to even add numbers and his younger sister is so bright. It was like a miracle. Suddenly he not only understood, he was solving even somewhat difficult problems fairly easily. And, after that he seemed brighter. Like something had broken thru to make him think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Apple
    I'm sorry I still don't understand what "problem" you are referring to. If it's the wrinkling and sag above her belly button then it's obvious. When skin is stretched out that much it tends to sag especially if it hasn't been that long since birth. It takes even longer the second time around. Stretch a rubber band once and it bounces right back. Keep stretching it and it eventually stays loose. It will go back eventually, and she probably knows this and doesn't want to fork out the money immediately to fix it right now. It's not just black women it's all women. It just takes time (and a lot of skin firming lotion!) Example to your left after 3 kids. I had a lot of loose skin up until recently...
    Hi Candy Apple,

    I wasn't sure if it was even considered a problem--the wrinkling and sagging. People have different expectactions and values. I hadn't seen many white dancers with this, but have seen more than a few black dancers with it so I thought it might be like keloids (sp?) which I think mainly if not solely affects blacks. Also, I noticed some women don't seem to have any wrinkling or sagging so I'm thinking it affects some women and not others. Anyway, I just know very little about the subject or if it is taboo to even mention it or if there is a need for surgery or creams. I was afraid to even mention it even though I have no problem with a woman pointing my weak points and making suggestions or just saying hey this disqualifies you in my book.

    (The women in my immediate family didn't have this problem at all.)

    From what I can see it looks like pregnancy has NOT hurt you at all. I just didn't know if it was permanent or exercise was needed or if there was a limited timeframe to act. With certain "teenage" acne, for example, I think the quicker you take a child to get medical care the better. Don't delay, *find the right doctor*, and it can make a world of difference.

    Thank you for your reply. Like I said it looks like you did excellent and this isn't a serious "problem."

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    Ya know bodies change. I don't care for the whole "vain" thing myself.

    I always say (and this is very polite) look in the mirror first at YOU, then judge others, because we all judge in one form or another. But keep it to yourself.

    I have to say, NO BODY is perfect. And i am sorry she is not the same in the looks dept. but this is YOU'RE issue, and you have to deal with how YOU feel about people who are slow and saggy. Because you i am sure have you're own share of "beauty" faults as well.

    Just remember: What does not work for you, WILL work for someone else. She probably kiscks ass in the money dept. and you don't even know it.

    Move on. Let her be her, or enjoy her company and stop looking at her belly or thinking about her smarts.

    How disturbing. And please, don't tell her what you said on this board. She is unique!!!!

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    Hi Pamela,

    I suppose she works a second job as a security guard for fun right? And, yes I do know she sometimes works a second job as a security guard because I visited her there! (She said I could visit, btw.) Not all strippers are wealthy. But, I think all of you that post here are super wealthy compared to me. Also, she asked for my help in finding a normal second job and was willing to accept minimum wage! Yes, I'm sure this was just some stripper sh*t as she really counts her millions stashed all over the world. LOL!

    As to looks. First, I look very YUCKY!!! Old, short, bad skin, some grey hair and thinning hair. Second, looks are extremely important to me. If the woman is not super hot, then I don't have interest--Except that I still like her even though she is NOT in perfect shape. If I didn't know her before, then I would not buy dances and would seek the most flawless dancer I could find. That is what I need and that is what I pay for.

    She is a little slow. That is the reality. Not everyone is a brain. I remember now . . . she was willing to accept a normal minimum wage job, a second job, because she lacked a high school education. I don't think she is too slow to achieve a formal education. Because she is a little slow she is at a greater risk of being mistreated by government, "friends," family, etc. She does learn so she should be fine with enough hard knocks. Thanks to our wonderful government she has a criminal record and I'm 99% sure she was innocent. Like she told me, "Prison is a very scary place. I would have agreed to plead guilty to anything so that I could leave and return home to take care of my baby. Wouldn't you have done the same?"

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    African-American skin is SO much different than any other sort of skin there is, scarring is much more apparent and causes welts of heavy scar tissue called Keloids. I don't know exactly what you are speaking of, because I have yet to see this lady - but it sounds like she is an excellent dancer and has a lovely personality besides the fact that as you said she perhaps has a disability - and I'm going to end this post because well, thats all I can
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    This seems to be more of a race bashing post vs. a beauty tip post. Maybe you should bring this post over to the blue site and see what the guys have to say. Oh by the way Keloids can effect any race there are just some people who seem to be more predisposed to have them after minimal scarring, acne, ear piecing, surgical scars etc.

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    ^^^^agreed. Also she does security work, don't they do back-ground checks? Some company has trust in her "smarts."

    Cmon give the lady more credit man. You're just seeing imperfections it sounds like.

    Gotta love a man who accepts us with our flaws and all!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela
    ^^^^agreed. Also she does security work, don't they do back-ground checks? Some company has trust in her "smarts."

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    Walking around an apartment parking lot takes "smarts"? Background checks? This Miami. They were probably jumping for joy that she had an SS number and could speak English. Of course, speaking Spanish is usually better.

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    I was very confused when I read this thread with the title it was given, am I the only one?

    Interestingly, the only dancers I've seen with small waists with sagging skin from babies were white. *Shrug* All different women come away from pregnancy with different changes, some unnoticable, some very noticable. Those same women can go through one pregnancy with one type of change and the next something different.
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    First of all, ladies, we shouldn't be too hard on Kyle. He unfortunately is expressing what most of our customers are thinking. They come to a strip club to live out their fantasies and most of those fantasies don't involve saggy tummy skin. Thats why we have a whole forum on beauty tips, because we want to look our best because it helps our money! Maybe this poor girl doesn't look so good because she doesn't know how to take care of herself. On the real, she probably doesn't have much money because she is supporting 2 kids. More power to the working moms out there!! So give her money and tell her she is beautiful because she has brought two perfect lives into the world. And remember Kyle, strippers are people too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siena_b
    First of all, ladies, we shouldn't be too hard on Kyle. He unfortunately is expressing what most of our customers are thinking. They come to a strip club to live out their fantasies and most of those fantasies don't involve saggy tummy skin. Thats why we have a whole forum on beauty tips, because we want to look our best because it helps our money! Maybe this poor girl doesn't look so good because she doesn't know how to take care of herself. On the real, she probably doesn't have much money because she is supporting 2 kids. More power to the working moms out there!! So give her money and tell her she is beautiful because she has brought two perfect lives into the world. And remember Kyle, strippers are people too.
    No, I think this, like Muyaha said is a race basher. You're a TROLL. You just became a member in this board, and this thread right here is the only post you are concerned with?! Oh please....

    I dont' even understand what the big deal is with her and her "sagging skin" because if it were that bad, you wouldnt' be her "friend"! And speaking of friend, REAL FRIENDS dont talk about eachother behind their backs!

    You're a fake, a phoney, whatever you want to call yourself. I've been reading your posts here and there all night, and it just seems to me like you're getting off on TELLING US about her motor skills/mental abilities..

    Please tell me...WHAT IS THE F'ING POINT DUDE!!







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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    No, I think this, like Muyaha said is a race basher. You're a TROLL. You just became a member in this board, and this thread right here is the only post you are concerned with?! Oh please....

    Please tell me...WHAT IS THE F'ING POINT DUDE!!
    I've posted before. But, I wouldn't post too much because I see Fondl getting bashed. I don't know the whole story, but Fondl seems like a hell of a nice guy based on his posts at TUSCL. He is a much nicer guy than me. LOL!

    You don't see the point in my mentioning her race? I don't think whites and blacks have exactly the same skin problems. I had always believed blacks had superior skin because I did NOT see as much acne and supposedly their skin is more adapted to sunny hot climates. Of course, I believed keloids were mainly a black problem.

    You don't see the point in my mentioning her income? I mention it because like many "problems" the solution can cost precious $$$. If you're a wealthy stripper, then affording basic medical care or even elective surgery may NOT be too difficult. My friend has a criminal record mainly because she is 1) poor and 2) black. That is the way America works . . .

    You don't see the point in my mentioning she is a little slow? If she was a brain, then there is no reason for me to ask questions about the "problem" because she would be doing it herself assuming she cared about wrinkles and sagging skin.


    I see no problem at all talking behind her back if you don't know her. I guess I'm in BIG trouble if she finds out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by siena_b
    And remember Kyle, strippers are people too.
    Next, you will be telling me that judges and lawyers are people too. LOL! I think most judges and lawyers are the scum of the earth. They steal and destroy under the disguise of law.

    Actually, I've met super sweet lawyers and judges . . . a tiny minority in a blood thirsty crooked system. And, if I was a judge or lawyer, then I'd probably just as bad or worse.

    Most of the strippers that I know are wayyyyy too nice especially considering all the bs they have to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Apple
    I'm sorry I still don't understand what "problem" you are referring to. If it's the wrinkling and sag above her belly button then it's obvious. When skin is stretched out that much it tends to sag especially if it hasn't been that long since birth. It takes even longer the second time around. Stretch a rubber band once and it bounces right back. Keep stretching it and it eventually stays loose. It will go back eventually, and she probably knows this and doesn't want to fork out the money immediately to fix it right now. It's not just black women it's all women. It just takes time (and a lot of skin firming lotion!) Example to your left after 3 kids. I had a lot of loose skin up until recently...
    Hey candy apple, What do you mean until recently, i have had two kids..skin is not the same after woulds,but not to bad, but could get better..

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    Kyle i lived in the Lauderdale, S. Florida area most of my life. If this lady is walking a complex of any kind, as they don't do security down here for shopping centers etc. she HAD to do a back-ground check.

    I read all the messages you wrote, it would not be so hard on you if you simply just understand if she has skin that bothers you, tough, it's her body. Does it bother her? Then it matters.

    You see i guess it does not matter what you want, it's all up to her. It would be nice if you accept her for who she is, and has become (looks)

    Judges and Lawyers are not people? Oh.....Ok.

    Conversation ends. Wish computers checked age when most people log on.

    The only problem i see here, is SHE is NOT who YOU want her to be.

    Nuff said....Done

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee
    Hey candy apple, What do you mean until recently, i have had two kids..skin is not the same after woulds,but not to bad, but could get better..

    Thanks Barbee
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    Lots of water and Jergens Skin Firming Lotion EVERY day. And of course it takes time but those things speed up the process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela
    Kyle i lived in the Lauderdale, S. Florida area most of my life. If this lady is walking a complex of any kind, as they don't do security down here for shopping centers etc. she HAD to do a back-ground check.

    I read all the messages you wrote, it would not be so hard on you if you simply just understand if she has skin that bothers you, tough, it's her body. Does it bother her? Then it matters.

    You see i guess it does not matter what you want, it's all up to her. It would be nice if you accept her for who she is, and has become (looks)

    Judges and Lawyers are not people? Oh.....Ok.

    Conversation ends. Wish computers checked age when most people log on.

    The only problem i see here, is SHE is NOT who YOU want her to be.

    Nuff said....Done

    Pamela

    She HAD to do a background check? That is sort of like saying a person HAS to stop at a red light. Besides she had the part time job as a security guard before getting busted.

    I think it was obvious that wrinkles and sagging skin bother me. And, it might bother her if she thought it was costing her $ or it might bother her anyway. Who knows? I pay $ for looks and mileage. That is why I go to a SC. I made an exception in her case--she is still super hot, just not perfect-- because I knew her before the wrinkles and sagging skin. She likes it then that is fine, but if she told me that then our business relationship is over as far as I'm concerned.

    You think judges and lawyers are people? Disgusting. They feed and profit off of other people's misery and are basically crooks. Yes, there are good lawyers and judges, but they seem few and far between.

    I'm glad you are done. Perhaps my stripper friend would be happier without my business? If I thought that was the case, then I would feel good about finding a replacement dancer. You talk some silly stuff. Perhaps you need a taste of judges and lawyers sans white skin and money and then tell me how human they are. Perhaps you will surprise me and still like them. There people who like to be mistreated . . .

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    Of all the replies the most that was most antagonizing thus far was *she HAD to* X or Y or Z or whatever! I'm thinking she can't be serious. Of course, she also wrote some nonsense about my dancer friend banking it . . . I wish she was banking it. She deserves a lot more $ and she has looks and personality--at least that's my viewpoint.

    So here are the response that made my blood boil!!!

    1. She HAD to whatever . . .
    2. She is banking it . . .

    Who wants to help me build on the list? I'm sure other comments should made me see red, but I dunno. It was those 2 that really bother for whatever reason . . .

    I guess first one is just a personal pet peeve and the second one bites hard because I saw her working TWO jobs and she just wasn't earning the $ and then she gets screwed financially by a filthy crooked court system run by lawyers and judges who really should be ashamed . . .

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    What makes my blood boil is that you are actually commenting, behind her back of course about what you call saggy skin and her so called disability. I've had quite enough and I'll probably get in trouble here for speaking my mind but you are the most egotistical, small minded poster I have come across in a good while and I've been around ( not on SW ) for a good while.

    How dare you sit in judgment of someone else. Mister Kyle you seriously need to go and either find your "perfect dancer" and look at yourself in the mirror for a good long while before you start griping about someone else and trying to pass it off as a holier than thou trying to help someone out. If you want your so called friend dancer to be better, why don't you try paying for a surgery to fix that stuff that you find unattractive or why don't you send her to school. For Pete's sake..
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    I was thinking about after she got burnt by the court system. She said she'd never done extras (and at least at the club it is easy for me to believe for a number of reasons), but she wanted to know if she got really really desperate--she was afraid the fine and the other expenses might bury her--would I still be interested in extras? I said you know it! I had asked in the past and it was always a firm, but nice NO. So she says it is nice to know that you have extra money if things get any worse. She added with hard work and luck that I wouldn't be getting any extras from her, but she thanked me and gave me a big hug and asked me to wish her well.

    I felt so sad for her. She never did need to ask me for any extra $ or do any extras for me. A very sweet lady and a very honest lady, too.

    But, heck I'm NOT a nice guy. I want perfect looks that is for me the whole point of going to the strip club. Would she be better off without my business? Perhaps and I'm not joking. There are a lot of customers wealthier by far than me. She might hit the jackpot she deserves. If I thought that would be the cinderella story, then I'd kick her to the curb FAST! Heck, even if she was still 100% perfect, I'd kick her to the curb if I thought that would be best for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow
    What makes my blood boil is that you are actually commenting, behind her back of course about what you call saggy skin and her so called disability. I've had quite enough and I'll probably get in trouble here for speaking my mind but you are the most egotistical, small minded poster I have come across in a good while and I've been around ( not on SW ) for a good while.

    How dare you sit in judgment of someone else. Mister Kyle you seriously need to go and either find your "perfect dancer" and look at yourself in the mirror for a good long while before you start griping about someone else and trying to pass it off as a holier than thou trying to help someone out. If you want your so called friend dancer to be better, why don't you try paying for a surgery to fix that stuff that you find unattractive or why don't you send her to school. For Pete's sake..
    * Rant *
    Now that I've said my piece I'm going to go do something constructive.

    Miss R
    I see nothing wrong with talking behind her back as long as the people I'm talking to about her don't know her. Now, if I thought you dancers know her then I'm dead wrong. Otherwise, I was just seeking advice and information. And, I think some of the advice and information was excellent. Namely, I should keep quiet unless I can help and that this doesn't require immediate attention unlike acne, for example.

    It is probably also good advice--although I don't want to hear it--that I should stop considering her a person and just "fire" her so that I can spend my $ on the looks that I need. It is cold, but then what the heck--I need to be more cold and not care so much. I mean why complain? No one forced me to buy dances from her after she got the wrinkles and sagging skin. I was free to say NO and find another dancer who met my requirements.


    Thank you ladies for the excellent advice.

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    Here is an analogy:

    I have a plumber who does excellent work. We have a good business relationship and I give him almost all of my business. Over time a friendship develops. Of course, business comes first and foremost. My friend suffers an injury. The work is just a little less perfect than before. But, I'm a fussy customer and I need perfect work. The solution seems obvious to me at least. Fire the plumber! Yes, the plumber is my friend, but hell I have other friends and I don't have to employ them. I only need hire the best person for the job and forget about friendship.


    It seems so simple in that context. The plumber is NOT obligated to work for me and I'm NOT obligated to hire the plumber. Why should a friendship especially a business friendship interfere with my needs?

    The only concern I have is this: If I was the injured plumber and business was a little tough, then I would expect my friend to help me out for at least a little while especially if my work was still way above average--just not perfect work. Does that seem unreasonable? To some people I'm sure it does. To those people, I hope they will feel better knowing that I've lost some super opportunities because I needed perfection. I have paid for it and dearly sometimes.

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