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    I plan to audition for VIPs in the coming weeks. Assuming I land the job, how's Chicago traffic? Is there construction on 90? Where do you park? Are there cheap hotels nearby?

    I earn (as a high earner) $1000-$1500/week (3 shifts) where I am now. Assuming I am in the upper-tier at VIPs, what could be my earning potential?
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    Chicago traffic sucks. Depending on what day and time you are going to be working, it could take you forever to get there, or you could just zip right through.

    As for hotels, I have NO clue since I live here and drove the 30 minutes (or with traffic, 1 hour) to work. Sorry I can't help you there.

    There is parking at the club...it's valet...and it costs the dancers $7 (plus tip) to do so. There is not currently construction on 90/94...yet. I'm sure they'll find a reason to do so, though.

    Well, house fees range from $40 - $120, tip outs are: 20% of your earnings to the floor guys (if you are in the CL, then it's 20% of your floor dances to the floor guys and 20% of your CL money to the CL host). Housemom gets mandatory $10 per night (more if you use stuff), the DJ gets anywhere from $10+, when you change in your funny money, you'll pay 25% off the top to change it in.

    When I worked, I left with about 46% of my earnings. Some nights I walked with $500, some nights I walked with $1500...it varies. I was, usually, upper-middle of the earning range.

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    Venus I'm niot sure I'm reading your post right....you LEFT with 46% as in you made $1000 and took home $460.????

    Geesh even if the numbers are flipped that's crazy!!!! If I make $1000 I might pay out $200, but that just depends on who has helped me...... boy oh boy do Ilove the ATL.
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    After all the tip outs, etc...yeah, that's about right.

    It sucked...the money, though, was the most you could make over any other club...but you tend to get clobbered at the end of the night.

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    Well I finally made the trip to Chicago and went to VIP's to audition. I'd heard so much about the club from Venus and others on this forum, I wanted to see for myself.

    I got into town on a Tuesday night, went to the club on a Wednesday to try to get an audition. Given all the comments I'd read about how you have to be very beautyful or a 9 or 10, I was prepared to be turned away so I had my taxi wait just in case I had to head over to the Admiral after.

    Far from getting turned away, the manager didn't hesitate for a single minute, he was just like 'when can you start?' There was no audition or amature contest etc.

    For starters, I don't know why everybody was saying the hiring standards are so high there. The girls were comprable to girls at any other half-decent club I've worked in. Some indeed were not very attractive, not trying to put anyone down, but some were overweight and some were aging. I think this is the classic 'We're the best club in town' pride thing, with these over-inflated perception as to how good the club actually is compared to others across the country. Don't get me wrong, the girls were all pretty, but def not 9's and 10's, all of them.

    As for the club its self, I found the set-up of things to be very annoying. Maybe (probabally) this is just me being new, but it does not seem to be set up for girls to make the most possible $. For example, I had a customer with a pocket full of money who wanted me to dance a 'few' songs for him. He did not want me to dance for him on the foor because it is so open and he felt 'embarassed'. Ok, so I offered to do a hand full of dances for him in champagne lounge. There was a $20 charge to enter the raised 'cl' area, he had no prob with this.

    Well, I won't dwell on the details, but basically you have to agree with a customer on how many dances you will do in vip in ADVANCE, get your money in ADVANCE, then tell the vip host exactly how many dances you will be doing IN ADVANCE before you start.

    I collected up front from this customer for the $20 cover charge for the more private area, plus my first dance, and then I was planning to pay we we go.

    When the host came over to me and my customer, he was really rude and he really yelled at my customer. I've been dancing a long time and I don't know what this dude's problem is, but my customer was really shocked that he paid all that money and then this gorilla comes over yelling about 'I NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE GIRL!! WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!!'.

    The host didn't realize it but he was talking to one of Chicago's more renouned corporate lawyers. This customer earned bt $500,000-800,000, and there was no was I was going to have a payment problem from him. But after the encounter with the host my customer said that the atmosphere was not what he was looking for. When my customer got up and left, the host came over and was like 'YOU JUST SOLD YOURSELF SHORT, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLD THAT GUY AN HOUR!'. So that was pretty annoying.

    On a more general note, the club was quite busy and the momentum of $$ was very high. The promotions (you have to sell a t-shirt, or do a 2 for 1, each hour or something) were good at getting everyone into the party mood. There was definetly a lot of $$ in the club. It looked like 80% of girls were dancing all night on the floor, and maybe %20 were in cl.

    This is a very low contact club, I never thought of myself as a 'dirty dancer', but for example if you spend an hour with the customer in the CL, you may not sit on his lap with your dress removed. I don't know what I would do for an entire hour with a guy if I can't at least sit on his lap and whisper into his ear and cuddle, etc. I'm not talking about grinding either, just being able to chat on his lap and sip champaign.

    The air dances were creatively done by all the girls, they do their best to entertain the customers. I really like the fact that the girls keep on their underpants, which look more like thongs than 'booty shorts' depending on the size of your ass.

    Finally, the tip-outs at this club are rediculously high. I knew this up front, but it was still a total bummer.

    Your night might be like this:
    Earn $500 for the night total, all VIP bucks.
    Tip $100 to the floor hosts, = $400.
    Loose 25% in funny-money conversion, = $300.
    Tip housemom $10, = $290.
    Minus your $100 floor fee = $190,
    Minus make up artist tip, $10
    You go home with $180.

    Even if you made half cash and half VIP bucks, you would still only walk out with like $230, approx.

    As an aside, the manager told me that the average funny-money flow is between 10 and 15k per night, with 30+ girls. Therefor, the house automatically nets $2500 - $4000 in funny money kickbacks, plus $60+ per girl's house fee, plus the 20% tip outs. So somebody is earning a shit load off this club, but it is not the girls.

    I suppose that if you were hooked up with some high rollers and could get into VIP on a regular, or if you rock in sales and know how to sell a cl for $500-600hr for no contact air dances (sorry, I do not) then you might do ok there.

    But next time I'm in Chicago, I'm going to check Scores instead.

    Oh, the book of rules was like 20 pages long.

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    Oh, and the manager made it very clear that they do not take kindly to 'traveling' dancers. So as for the stripperfest girls who are planning to work there, I don't suggest you mention you are just 'passing through'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess

    When I worked, I left with about 46% of my earnings. Some nights I walked with $500, some nights I walked with $1500...it varies. I was, usually, upper-middle of the earning range.
    Hopefully, I'm not confused. You would bring home after tip-out/fees $500-$1500?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    Hopefully, I'm not confused. You would bring home after tip-out/fees $500-$1500?
    Sorry...there was a typo in my last quote...it's not 46%, it's 64%.

    Yes, I would bring HOME about $500-$1500 per shift. Of course, you cannot work 4 hour shifts at VIP's. It's mandatory 6-8 hour shifts.

    You cannot take the train to VIP's. Well, you could...but I wouldn't advise walking AT NIGHT from the train to the station. I would also not advise taking a cab to the train at 5 in the morning. Take a cab to/from your place (hotel).

    I kept a running log of all of my money earned at the club. You WILL get a 1099 at the end of the year, in addition to a W-2. After all tip-outs, I brought home net (average) of 64% of my total gross income (what I made the entire night of working).

    There were some nights that I brought home $200, but for the most part, I got good at getting people into CL. I usually walked with around $500-$800 after tip-outs (would be around $1000-1600 before).

    Let's say that I made $1600 one night: $400 on the floor and the other $1200 in CL:

    I usually paid $80 house fee...so you take that out of your earnings before tip-outs. When you tip people out, you use up as much of your funny money as possible, so you lose less money in the change-over. If I made $1200 in funny money and the $400 in cash, then this is what my earnings/tips would look like:

    20% tip-out of floor earning to floor guys: $70 (in funny money)
    20% tip-out to CL host of CL earning: $240 (in funny money)
    Mandatory to Housemom: $10 (in funny money)
    Tip-out to DJ: $40 (in funny money)


    My funny money cash-in would be: $850

    **The thing with the funny money here, is that you can only change in EVEN amounts ($200, $840, etc). So, I would actually have to give that other $10 away (I always stashed $60-80 of it for another day when I'd need it). So, that would make my actual cash-in $760.

    Funny Money change over: $570

    So, walk-home would be: $1050...which is about 65% of what I actually made.

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    Kansas_Dancer...a tip of $1-2 would have sufficed to the make-up artist if you used concealer for your pasties. Also, I brought all of my own stuff so that I would never touch the artists stuff (gets too expensive). If you do not use anything from the make-up artist, then you do not need to tip. If they do your make-up application, then you pay what you owe, maybe add $5 for tip...but not more than that.

    Who was your CL host? There is one there that is just rude and obnoxious. I detested giving him any of my money...tip-out to the CL host should be strictly based upon how well they take care of you and how much more money they help you make.

    I found myself going into CL more when that certain host wasn't working (and he usually didn't work my shift). Which was fine with me.
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    He was pissed because you were going by the dance and not by the hour. You would have made more if you went by the hour. When I worked there you werent aloud in the emperors room unless you were doing hours and unless they knew you for a while and knew you tipped well. It took me a few years of traveling in to be aloud up there all night. Vips is for girls who are used to working in a high volume enviroment such as vegas or manhatten clubs. Tip outs are high and you have to know how to work white colar clientele. I averaged 12-1500 take home when I worked there but thats being in vip all night. In my opinion its one of the best clubs in the country.

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    With all due respect, Michelle, weren't you working there IN THE 90'S??

    Don't we all know those days are long gone?

    How does it help girls to post that you made xyz and this is one of the best clubs in the country, if you just worked there YEARS ago? You averaged 1200 per night-1500 per night - THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE 90'S.

    Back in the day we all made that kind of cash, whether you were in Austin or San Francisco or basically anywhere there was high-tech money floating around.

    I have also worked in Vegas and Manhatten, thank you very much, I know how to work my customer. how is it useful to this community for you to name those figures, when anybody can tell you it is not realistic in a post 9/11 economy. Things have changed.

    So new girls are not 'allowed' into the cl? Is that why the host tried to fuck with my customer and I? Because if that explains it, well, isn't that reason enough to avoid the club?

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    Actually I worked there from 97-03 kansas dancer and I have friends that work there that are still making that and more. Maybe the club wasnt for you. I was just giving my experiences there since I worked there longer than anybody on sw and yes that the way the hosts are there I had to deal with that the first two years I worked there. No reason to be so bitter the club wasnt for you. I happen to love it and am heading back in june with a fellow sw member.

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    Oh and by the way that kind of money still exits out there. 1000 dollars a shift is still obtainable.

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    Not bitter, the club was ok and I did earn $$ so it wasn't a waste of time.

    It just does not compare to the other 'show' clubs I've worked at.

    I'm sure you're proud of this club. Yay for you.

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    Okay. I think I understand, and the tip-out seems okay. Yes, Venus, I am planning on taking cabs to and from a hotel. When I wrote "the train," I meant Amtrak. I really, really, really don't want to deal with 80/94, 90/94, 90, 290, etc. just to get to Chicago. Thank you for the funny money heads up.

    I'll call tomorrow about the audition process. Let my adventure begin.
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    Michele, lately, if the club is slow and you can get some dances out of a guy by taking him to CL for a few "higher priced" dances, then they'll let you do it.

    Rob never let me do it, the other guys always did and I always tipped them about 30%+ when they would let me do that. When I left, Rob was starting to come around, but he'd already pissed me off enough that I would only tip him 20% when he was the host while I was in CL. He also didn't work Sunday nights much...usually only the "busier" nights...so, I didn't need to deal with him too much.

    Rob seems to be the only guy unwilling to help dancers make money. He's arrogant and rude...I don't understand why they keep him up there.

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    Thats funny venus. He started there around the last year I worked there and he was so shy. Then toward the end of that year they let him work up there ocasionally when adam wasnt there and he did start to get an attitude. Oh well same thing happened with greg.

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    I called today and was told that I had to go through amateur night on Sundays. I can't do that as I work at my current club at that time and do very well on the Sunday shift. The woman with whom I spoke said to call back on Tuesday after 4 and speak with Mike, the manager who is in charge of the entertainers. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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    Go in on Tuesday and talk to Mike. Don't call...just go.

    They told me I'd have to do an amatuer contest when I called...but when I walked in to speak with a Manager, I got hired on the spot, no questions.

    Good luck!

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    I called and spoke with Mike. He said that I could mosey on in on Thursday or Friday and speak with him. He seems nice. I'd hate to suffer an amateur contest. I call it "a wasted night" because I have no guarantee for $$$$.

    Now I need to look up Amtrak schedules.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansas dancer

    When the host came over to me and my customer, he was really rude and he really yelled at my customer. I've been dancing a long time and I don't know what this dude's problem is, but my customer was really shocked that he paid all that money and then this gorilla comes over yelling about 'I NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE GIRL!! WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!!'.

    The host didn't realize it but he was talking to one of Chicago's more renouned corporate lawyers. This customer earned bt $500,000-800,000, and there was no was I was going to have a payment problem from him. But after the encounter with the host my customer said that the atmosphere was not what he was looking for. When my customer got up and left, the host came over and was like 'YOU JUST SOLD YOURSELF SHORT, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLD THAT GUY AN HOUR!'. So that was pretty annoying....

    I suppose that if you were hooked up with some high rollers and could get into VIP on a regular, or if you rock in sales and know how to sell a cl for $500-600hr for no contact air dances (sorry, I do not) then you might do ok there.

    But next time I'm in Chicago, I'm going to check Scores instead.

    Oh, the book of rules was like 20 pages long.
    I looked at the place today and was offered a job on the spot. I really don't know how I'd sell the CL because I would call it a space separated from the rest of the room by a rope.

    The doorgirl took me on a tour. She was great. When she was showing me the CL, the host jumped on her a$$. She was in B&W attire and I was wearing a chiffon knee length dress and FLATS. I know dancers aren't "allowed" up there unless called, but COME ON! I was thinking, I'm going to have to this poopyhead 20%? I hadn't even signed the 20-page employment agreement. Oh, you would be an employee of VIPs if hired. $5.15/hour!

    It looks like most of the dances are done table side even in the CL. Air dances? I saw contact, not grindage, but contact.

    The customers I encountered seemed very happy. I didn't talk to them because that's rude to the working dancers. I shooed them away and they had smiles on their faces, ready to have fun.

    I'm not sure if I want to work there though. Customers are not allowed to buy dancers drinks. Dancers must buy their own Diet Shasta. Mostly, I think I'd grow very bitter about the VIP hosts' earnings and attitudes.

    A bitter dancer makes no money.

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    You should call the club and just tell them that you are not going to work there because of the host's behavior. It sounds like you encountered Rob...who even treats the dancers like this in front of their customers.

    Maybe the club needs to hear about this from someone outside the club...we already called them and complained about our sucky experience there...they weren't to happy to hear that we called and told 10-15 other people and told them not to come to the club. All because the dancers were being bitchy and the CL host was being an ass.

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    Venus, I went back and the visit was MUCH better. Perhaps it was an off-day the first time around. I enjoyed the music and the dancers who were super friendly. The crowd was great. Dave was really cool when I spoke with him. I think that VIPs and I could be a match.

    The dancers told me that if I treat the hosts right, they will treat me right and sell me into the CL. That's definitely worth 30%! I'm all about spreading the wealth.

    Club hunting is so hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    The dancers told me that if I treat the hosts right, they will treat me right and sell me into the CL. That's definitely worth 30%!
    I am so glad I don't have to deal with that. I leave the club with 90% of my cash.

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