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    I found that the moderator on the pink site was pretty trigger happy when it came to deleting posts and that he(!) was heavily biased towards the strippers in any discussions on that board (eg. the strippers and their male minions could *attempt* to bash anyone with impunity but if you put up even the mildest criticism of them or their arguments it was deleted instantly).

    So how's the censorship on this blue site? I am pretty opinionated and not shy about calling things as I see them but, on the other hand, I don't want to be put into a situation where I am forced to fight with my legs tied together and both hands tied behind my back.

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    I'm pretty sure it's the same guys that monitor the customer conversation over there, JZ and FBR. They seem to allow more leeway over here I think.
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    Oooooh, oooooh, ask your question here on the blue site RIL!!!!

    I can't wait to read the responses!!!


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    My first post on the blue, (dark?) side, but as a *minion* I couldn't resist.

    The thread on the pink side that provoked this thread can be found in the "Customer Conversation" forum, and is entitled "How to Transform Relationship wth ATF"

    RegularInLove posted the following question:

    Quote Originally Posted by RegularInLove
    I would like to transform the nature of the relationship with my ATF from being her customer to being her boyfriend. What's the best way to go about doing this? Being a "nice girl" she is not exactly a top earner and, hence, is a bit hard up for cash. What's the best way to take $$$ out of the equation?
    He then got a variety of replies from custy's, dancers and even moderators saying in effect, "no chance", a verdict that RIL flatly disagreed with. The thread did get moderated, but 2/3 of it is still there - the bits that were removed being repetitive. Make up your own mind by reading it.

    It doesn't seem to me to be a case of censorship, but of the practical differences between pink and blue sides. The pink side is meant to be dancer friendly, the blue side not. RIL has strong opinions on the realities that exist within strip clubs - opinions not shared by the majority who replied to him on the thread on the pink side. The thread was becoming a dialogue of the deaf - which, (in my opinion), is why the moderators terminated it.

    If the question were re-posted on this side I suspect RIL might get answers more to his liking - but possibly not as practical.

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    I am pretty opinionated and not shy about calling things as I see them
    I'm intrigued to hear how a disillusioned, self-absorbed RIL with a heavy case of aspergers "sees things"

    I'm sure it'll be enlightening.


    I'll just sit back on my fake post-graduate ass and listen to your valuable insight


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    Lawdy Lawdy. Hopefully you're nothing like Thorn (the last person that decided the pink site wasn't for him due to "alleged" issues with moderators) who thought he could use the blue site as a haven for his daily transgressions.

    It's funny I am rather opinionated but haven't had a problem with the moderators. They have a thankless job and I believe they do it well (for the most part).

    I, for one, am very interested in your commentary. Let me pull up a chair and pop some corn first.



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    Don't listen to Phil-W: He has no idea what posts of mine got deleted, since they were removed so quikcly.

    If it's the same moderaters here then I am going to guess that censorship isn't anything that troubles them for even a nano-second. They are serving something other than relentless pursuit of the truth. (Trying to appease the masses so they can reign over an "empire of dirt" (to quote Johnny Cash).)

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    RIL: You can call it censorship if that satisfies your self-rightous ego. The fact is this is a moderated site-both pink and blue. The pink site is for the ladies, we, as customers, are visitors over there and the moderators carry out their charge accordingly. The blue site is much more customer friendly. If you read a few threads and check it out you will see that this is obvious. Opinions are one thing, flamming is another. As I have observed it, the primary job of the moderators on both sites is to keep things civilized so that people will want to come here, read and post. If you want a free for all where you can flame people and say whatever you like I suggest you start your own site. This is a private site. You are here because the owners of the site granted you a membership. That membership comes with a responsibility. The site owers and moderators have worked very hard to create an environment where dancers, club employees and customers can come and exchange ideas without having to deal with gratuitous BS from people who just don't get it! I think it's important that you understand that.
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    I was going to post a response, but frankly it will fall on deaf ears. RIL, as you've implied, it's a free world. You are more than welcome to take your ranting and raving to another site. May I suggest www.IHaveAHugeEgo.com/forums

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    Honestly, the views given to you were honest and most were from the perspective of people who had actually been in/part of your situation or had at least witnessed it. When you ask for advice, expect to get the good with the bad. By acting like we're all ganging up on you by giving you news you don't want to hear is preparing yourself for a hard fall. At least we were giving you all angles on what to expect.

    Don't act like you're being victimised. Noone has a problem with you posting just as long as you abide by the rules like we all have to. Just relax, enjoy the site and don't take things too personally. Like someone said earlier, it's an anonymous place so I very much doubt anyone is out to get you!
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    Boy, people certainly enjoy throwing around the “c” word. You want an example of real censorship? I have (actually, it’s now the past tense had) story site for seven years. Very popular, lots of stories you couldn’t find at any other archive. The problem is, two weeks ago, CCBill sent a notice to the site hosting my stories that if certain words weren’t removed from my stories, they would pull their MC/Visa service for the site. Faster than you can say, “Kat will be back dancing within six months,” my archive got the plug pulled on it. That, my friend, is censorship.


    Now, onto SW/SCJ issues. Look, I actually boycotted this site for a few months after the moderators here acted in what I thought was a heavy handed and overofficious manner when they deleted a post I made in response to what I was certain was a troll post. Were it not for Bridgette (when I met her in March) convincing me otherwise, I still wouldn’t be posting here. See, I believe any e-Board should serve to either inform or entertain, and hopefully do both. For me, a clever flame war between evenly matched opponents (or even one between say, the United Kingdom and Argentina) can be as much fun as one can have on the internet, at least with both hands staying on the keyboard. I strongly believe in the free flow of ideas and concepts, and if some feathers get ruffled in the process, well, it’s just a fucken bulletin board, ya know?

    The reality is this: the owner of this site, Pryce, has made his feelings and intentions crystal clear and not even subject to interpretation: StripperWeb is about and for strippers, not customers. Customers are tolerated on this site only so long as they do not offend or annoy. When this site was recently redesigned, SCJ was given such a secondary status that it no longer had its own domain, but was now just a minor subsection of the SW site, located even under “Site Issues” on the main menu. Get the picture? Calling customers second class citizens here would be an upgrade, and that is just how Pryce wants it. Got it? Deal with it or start your own forum.


    In private, there are few thinking people who actually believe the moderators aren’t overdoing it, and that includes some of the moderators. Most dancers who have posted here for awhile know they aren’t going to get a straight/legitimate/real answer publicly, and use PM and email to get the real scoop. I’ve personally had almost two dozen dancers PM me about good clubs for them in LA, and what they say they’re comfortable with mileage-wise is a helluva lot different than what is posted here. For example: if you do a search on threads talking about where the good places are to work, you’ll find out that Los Angeles, NY, Las Vegas, SF, Portland, Seattle, the Midwest, the Northeast, the Southeast, Florida, Phoenix and Japan are all terrible. Isn’t that remarkable? They (the mods) have taken whatever edge was on this site and polished it to a dull sheen.


    Peer pressure also plays a role. It is impossible on SW to have a real discussion about mileage or OTC interaction because no dancer on SW is going to out herself as someone who has no problem giving HJs to customers, or more, or going out with them. We all know the reality is different, but SW wants to see the stripper world through rose colored glasses, and so it does. There is no use railing about this alleged mistrial of justice, it is the reality of this site. So stop whining and move on.

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    I personally agree that the moderation, especially on the pink side, is a little heavy-handed at times. We're all grownups here, and I believe we can handle ourselves as such. As long as someone is not being gratuitously offensive and insulting to dancers, I don't think they should be banned or placed on sitewide ignore.

    I understand Pryce's mission, and I appreciate it, but at the same time I sometimes feel that the moderation is a little patronizing. Dancers need to be thick-skinned, and I sometimes feel that I'm being treated like a child who can't handle a few sticks-and-stones insults. I'd rather be given the opportunity to answer the offending posts and make the offending posters feel like berated children themselves.

    One more thought: Lately it seems as though people have been banned or ignored simply for being idiots. This doesn't really strike me as fair. First, they can't help being idiots. Second, they're being denied the opportunity to learn something from the wiser folks on the forum.

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    Technically, censorship is government infringement on one's right to free speech. One is not censored by an organization, corporation etc., refusing to act as a host or vehicle for any given speech - one might as well say that I censor you by not reading it.

    As per the overmoderation, when I was young I partook in a website which was really, and seriously taken over by trolls. Because, as terrible as it sounds, no matter how good one's intentions, anyone gets either too amused or too incensed to ignore it. Exhibit A) look at how many hits and replies trolls get before they are deleted? We are all facinated by them. It may seem paternalistic, but if they are left, that is all the site will be. Personally, the only complaint I have ever made was against a moderator for making some clearly inappropriate comments in his position as moderator. But I think I made the complaint to him, so I don't know how effective that was...
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    Well, I love the site, JZ, and I don't really want to complain. I'm new to the world of internet forums, and I'm assuming that you all have good reasons for moderating as you do. I'm sure Jenny is right in saying that a site can be overtaken by trolls...and I'd certainly hate to see that happen here. (They can be fun while they last, though )

    btw....what is the origin of the term 'troll'? Does it refer specifically to someone who is posing as something they are not? Or is it just more generally used for any troublemaker on a site? I've been curious about this for awhile now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    It doesn't seem to me to be a case of censorship, but of the practical differences between pink and blue sides. The pink side is meant to be dancer friendly, the blue side not. RIL has strong opinions on the realities that exist within strip clubs - opinions not shared by the majority who replied to him on the thread on the pink side.
    in this particular case, i disagree with that notion. haven't you people learned that you can't tell a PL he's a PL. besides, it's more enjoyable to watch them crash and burn.
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    If the question were re-posted on this side I suspect RIL might get answers more to his liking - but possibly not as practical.
    i just took a look at that thread. i think you suspected wrong sherlock. what do we look like miracle workers? he's looking for a GF not a piece of ass. relatively speaking, one is easier to get than the other in a sc. although, why anyone would go looking for a GF in sc is beyond me. now, will all you minions please go back upstairs. i'm getting a fuckoe headache.
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    RIL,

    I would go ahead and post over here and see what is allowed. Mr. Punk always seems to get in long involved debates over here with dancers, and as he is very opinionated, but not really intentionally trying to piss people off (?), most of his posts don't seem to be edited (?). Actually, I'm not positive about either one of those statements, so maybe that's not the best example. Just start some threads and see what happens, its always nice to have new posters over here. Mostly dudes though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer
    Boy, people certainly enjoy throwing around the “c” word. You want an example of real censorship? I have (actually, it’s now the past tense had) story site for seven years. Very popular, lots of stories you couldn’t find at any other archive. The problem is, two weeks ago, CCBill sent a notice to the site hosting my stories that if certain words weren’t removed from my stories, they would pull their MC/Visa service for the site. Faster than you can say, “Kat will be back dancing within six months,” my archive got the plug pulled on it. That, my friend, is censorship. P
    Bastard!! I can't believe you never sent me or Nicolina the URL knowing how much we love to read smut. Shame on you!!!!

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    RIL,

    By the way, it took me forever to get used to how to handle myself on the pink site, and I was banned 2 or 3 times before I mellowed out over there. What I've learned is that dancers put up with a ton of b.s. in the strip clubs, and when they are relaxing on SW, they don't want to put up with what they perceive as more B.S. (not naming you specifically). It's just the way it is over there and I personally don't have a problem with it any more.
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    Look, I actually boycotted this site for a few months after the moderators here acted in what I thought was a heavy handed and overofficious manner when they deleted a post I made in response to what I was certain was a troll post.


    Lest we forget, that suspected troll was me. And it was started when my post, which was written specifically for pink, was moved to blue without my knowledge. That alone should tell you something about the different environments on the two sites.

    I thought your post was one hell of a good flame, too, and said so. My hair was on fire for a week.

    I spent two days trying to appeal to the moderators, both on the board and through PMs, to restore the entire thread, flame included, roughly on the grounds that we are all big boys and girls. No dice. But I think JZ and FBR were right and I was wrong, since to do otherwise would invalidate the whole point of moderation once they make the judgment call. And we could argue about that call endlessly and forever until the dinosaurs come back around again.

    Peer pressure also plays a role. It is impossible on SW to have a real discussion about mileage or OTC interaction because no dancer on SW is going to out herself as someone who has no problem giving HJs to customers, or more, or going out with them.


    Exactly. It also makes any real OTC discussion impossible.


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    Lest we forget, that suspected troll was me. And it was started when my post, which was written specifically for pink, was moved to blue without my knowledge. That alone should tell you something about the different environments on the two sites.

    I thought your post was one hell of a good flame, too, and said so. My hair was on fire for a week.

    I spent two days trying to appeal to the moderators, both on the board and through PMs, to restore the entire thread, flame included, roughly on the grounds that we are all big boys and girls. No dice. But I think JZ and FBR were right and I was wrong, since to do otherwise would invalidate the whole point of moderation once they make the judgment call. And we could argue about that call endlessly and forever until the dinosaurs come back around again.



    Exactly. It also makes any real OTC discussion impossible.
    Agreed. That was one of the things that pissed me off more than anything: not only was your post moved for no apparent reason, but the target of the flames (you) responded so magnanimously. There cannot be a flame war when no other shots are fired. I never got a chance to thank you for being so cool about my flame because I was busy bagging on JZ and then taking my ball and going home. It seemed like the only ones upset about the post were the people who caused the issue in the first place--the mods.

    It's very easy to say, "Put a post in the site issues section and Pryce will review it. I'm only following orders." But that, IMO, is a copout. I'm a mod on two different SC sites: Z-Bone and The Blue Pond (invitation only). When someone who's been around posts something truly offensive, I'll post a warning for all to see. If he persists, then I'll delete at will until he goes away. OTOH, someone with a low post count may be an obvious troll, and may be deleted w/o warning or concern. But I've never deleted a post just because I was afraid someone's hair might get mussed. It had to be truly offensive or slanderous, or just plain SPAM. The operators of those sites trust my judgment and have never said I oveerreacted, nor have any of the posters. We're all big boys and girls here, and I agree with Nic when she says the mods here and especially on SW seem to be a bit, uh, patronizing.

    Basically, the pink site has been reduced to either a) "you go, girl!" posts; b) don't men/custys/clubs/life in general suck?; and/or c) how can I make more money without doing any more work?

    I may be missing a category or two, but that's not an entirely inaccurate oversimplification. As Strother Martin said in "Cool Hand Luke," "That's the way he wants it. Well, he gets it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Bastard!! I can't believe you never sent me or Nicolina the URL knowing how much we love to read smut. Shame on you!!!!
    Yeah, CP, you dirty boy! What gives?

    You may have to treat Kat and I to some VIPs with your favorite girls just to make up for this transgression.

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    What CP and TOO said.

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    The Blue Side isn't really moderated; it just has its own ecology.

    1. Jenny and Mr P cancel each other out ad infinitum.
    2. Cali and Kat post the wildest adventures, then erase them.
    3. CP plays far away beyond my boob range.
    4. SCJ is Nic's preferred source of sexual stimulation.
    5. JZ is the friend you'd pick for designated driver.
    6. FBR has a compulsive thing going on under the Red Roof.
    7. Moneywise parties in the pilot house of a Mississippi riverboat.
    8. Yoda and I feed in the same jungle on different parts of the food chain.
    9. This site is held together with chewing gum.

    Last but not least, peeps who don't believe it don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Last but not least, peeps who don't believe it don't get it.
    This statement deserved a quote.


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    I for one am just incredibly upset that the moderators, as highly paid as they are, are not damn near perfect! As much as I pay for this site (well, I'm thinking about becoming a platinum member one of these days), you'd think they would adopt a viewpoint more consistent with mine about what constitutes acceptable netiquette here and what does not. I really get pissed off when they're more tolerant of a long time poster they know is generally not a troublemaker than a newbie who fails to get a feel for the site and posts something that's been answered a million times and it's pretty clear how the majority feel about it and what type of response he'll get if he'd just use the frickin' search function. What are they thinking - that context somehow has some part in judging this? How dare they annoint themselves as the judges of the time, place and manner of what's appropriate! I know of no other situation like this anywhere, not even with my boss. Okay, maybe with my boss, but everywhere else, mine should be the last say on what's appropriate.. except erm, I'm sorry I'm too busy to volunteer to help the moderators. But I do have plenty of opinions about it so let me drone on endlessly. As contributing writers, we don't need no stinkin' editors... er I mean as posters, we don't need moderators... urm, I mean as know-it-alls, we don't need censors! Why, this is America! Well, okay, it's actually the Worldwide Web and that includes China which probably has this site totally blocked, but dammit, it sounds good to my argument to say this is America yeah! Freedom to do what I want! Rights without corresponding responsibilities! There is such a thing as truly objective moderation! It may be in the parallel universe where strippers always mean what they say, but it does exist and should be instituted. So.. Free the forum! Free the forum! What do we want? A free forum! When do we want it? Now! Bitch bitch bitch, moan moan moan, whine whine whine. Let's see if this post gets deleted. I just know I'll be wronged by those heavy handed moderators with eeevil in their hearts.

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    Last Post: 03-20-2006, 07:37 PM

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