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    Default Consumer Buying Power and Politics

    Here is a site that has companies listed that donate to the political parties.

    It is geared towards Democrats but Republican leaning companies are also listed too.

    Those interested in spending their hard earned money on companies that support their political opinions might find this guide useful.

    Money talks, so here is another way for you to be heard

    http://buyblue.org/alphalist.php
    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Default Re: Consumer Buying Power and Politics

    bleh...my browser is acting up and I keep losing posts before they appear to be listed here so I try again and then the 1st one will appear as if out of thin air later on ...then we end up with double posts on the same subject...
    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Default Re: Consumer Buying Power and Politics

    What a stupid website. Here's a report from one of the "reddest" companies on their list:

    Best Buy currently has a 0% BuyBlue rating due to political contributions for the 2003-2004 election cycle. Best Buy's executives contributed a little over $45K (100% of their contributions) to Republican politicians in the 2003-2004 election cycle. Best Buy has a Political Action Commitee, but it had no recorded activity during the 2003-2004 election cycle.

    So first let's ignore the fact the $45,000 spread among the top executives of a big corporation like Best Buy is nothing. Second let's ignore how stupid it is to suggest that people boycott a company based on the private political beliefs of the top people that work there. Is the website suggesting that by going to work at Best Buy these people forfeit their right to participate in the political process?

    Let's just consider what would happen if these idiots have their way. Every democrat in the U.S. boycotts Best Buy. Best Buy's sales go down. So they lay off employees. Employees that had absolutely nothing to do with the private political donations of a handful of corporate executives! In fact, the laid off employees may even be democrats! Makes no sense.

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    Default Re: Consumer Buying Power and Politics

    Actually, it's highly probable that laid off Best Buy employees would become democratic supporters once their unemployment runs out and they start collecting welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing and utility bills etc. if they weren't democratic supporters to begin with !

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    What a stupid website.
    While using consumer buyer power as another way for one to express or support their political opinions by be deemed "stupid" to you that doesn't make it a fact...it's just your opinion. If you don't wish to use that avenue of expression then fine but don't other people might choose otherwise, that does not make them stupid.

    Is the website suggesting that by going to work at Best Buy these people forfeit their right to participate in the political process?
    How did you come to that conclusion ? What idicates thatthe creators of the website are saying those workers have to forfeit their voice ? If anything the information they present gives people who may wish to work for or buy from companies that support their political opinions.

    The entire point is CHOICE. Choice of how a person chooses to spend their hard earned money. One can make a better informed choice if they have morfe information. The website I posted is just information which can be considered or not considered.

    I question if you would be opposing this information if the website was BuyRed.......... I seriously doubt it.
    it's highly probable that laid off Best Buy employees would become democratic supporters once their unemployment runs out and they start collecting welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing
    That is completely off topic..... as mentioned in the sticky post:
    In traditional debate, the first speaker defines the topic and issues to be covered
    As a moderator of this site you of all people should honor the rules......
    this is not a discussion of how you feel democrats are welfare, food stamp collecting people trying steal your money..... if you wish to discuss welfare then start your own thread and stop trying to change the direction of this one which I started...... kindly remove your comment and post something that is on topic or nothing at all.Thanks.
    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Default Re: Consumer Buying Power and Politics

    The funny thing is,alot of top companies donate to BOTH parties.

    They play both sides of the field.

    Besides,unless you live in a cabin in montana(and im not saying anyone isnt or its a bad thing)you would have a hard time going shopping and not hit at least half the store who support things you dont.

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    Agreed MnM.... but this was posted for the intent of giving people information to use if they WANT......... Given the choice and availablity some of us may prefer to buy from companies that support our own political opinions..... if you are not one of those people then hey that's cool too.
    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Default Re: Consumer Buying Power and Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
    as mentioned in the sticky post:
    In traditional debate, the first speaker defines the topic and issues to be covered
    As a moderator of this site you of all people should honor the rules..... post something that is on topic or nothing at all.Thanks.
    What she said! Times at least 3 threads to date!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
    How did you come to that conclusion ? What idicates thatthe creators of the website are saying those workers have to forfeit their voice ? If anything the information they present gives people who may wish to work for or buy from companies that support their political opinions.
    Simple. Say I'm a big financial supporter of GWB with my personal funds. I got to work at XYZ Widgets, Inc. What does BuyBlue do? They urge democrats to boycott XYZ Widgets, punishing the lower level employees over something they have no control over.

    The entire point is CHOICE. Choice of how a person chooses to spend their hard earned money. One can make a better informed choice if they have morfe information. The website I posted is just information which can be considered or not considered.
    What about my choice as a citizen to participate in the political process any way I choose? Must I give up that right under the threat of boycott from the democratic party? What about my own right to believe as I want? What about my own right of freedom of association? BuyBlue wants to blackmail people into behaving the way they (buyblue) think they should. Lastly, what does it say about democrats if the only way they can think of to change people's beliefs is blackmail?
    I question if you would be opposing this information if the website was BuyRed.......... I seriously doubt it.
    Wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
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    When I buy my son cereal at Wal-Mart I don't care what it cost General Mills to produce it. There is a limit to what I will pay for it. I don't ask the clerk if they are paying their worker's a "living wage" or if the wheat was grown using "sustainable" methods. I don't care. I only make a judgment as to the price and quality of the product.
    Also, you never did answer this question:
    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    So before you purchase a product, you investigate the wages paid by the manufacturer and his suppliers to make sure they are high enough? Then you compute the pollution output of the plant the product was manufactured at along with the pollution output of all the plants where the packaging was made to make sure they are within acceptable limits? Then you investigate the processes by which the raw materials were harvested, to insure they are "sustainable"? Wow, how long does it take you to buy groceries using that method?
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    Oh please...give it up ...it's obvious that no matter what I post and no matter what the subject matter you,Melonie ,C.O etc will oppose it....same goes with anything that might be embraced by liberals or democrats.

    It's not about what I post , it's quite clear that it is because of I have disagreed with some of the things you all have said that you plan to attack ABSOLUTLY ANYTHING I write here.

    so you know what.... just go F.O
    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Would this be defined as special interest groups ? Is this what John McCain was trying to abolish ? I am just asking not taking any sides so don't anyone yell at me todayI am feeling a bit sensative .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousJ
    Would this be defined as special interest groups ? Is this what John McCain was trying to abolish ? I am just asking not taking any sides so don't anyone yell at me todayI am feeling a bit sensative .
    I'm not sure exactly what John McCain's definition of a special interest group is. In a lot of corporations, they dun the top executives to give money to a Political Action Committee (PAC). Then they donate that money to certain congressmen. For example, Lockheed Martin, a big defense contractor, would donate money from its PAC to congressmen on the Defense Committee. That's the kind of stuff McCain's law tried to put a stop to, ignoring "soft money" and stuff like that. That's kind of the traditional definition of "special interests" as I understand it. Of course, on the other side, environmentalists, farmers, animal rights types, they all have their own PACs, giving money to people they think will help them. Hell, I think everybody in the country except strippers have a PAC, maybe I should start one?
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    n traditional debate, the first speaker defines the topic and issues to be covered

    Money talks
    By including the 'money talks' comment in your opening post, IMHO you opened the door to a discussion of money buying political support. Whether that money comes from corporate contributors and goes to politicians to solicit future support, or comes from politicians and goes to social service recipients to solicit future support, is only different in detail not in principle.

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    That clearly wasn't the intent of the discussion and you know it.... if your not the one harrassing me then prove it by removing your obvious off topic comments as an act of good will.

    I will ofcouse do the same -ie remove the comments in this thread that refer to your off topic responces.

    If they stay I will take it as a direct indication that you are trying to start a war with me. Removing the comments will be taken as an olive branch.... ball is in your court. I would prefer a "truce" as I am sure Lena and others would appreciate as but as of now... it's up to you.

    I will be online for the next hour or so you have some time to deciede which direction to take.
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    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Actually forget it...this is stupid...Melonie if you need this site that bad then hey you can have it...it's not worth the aggravation you are causing me to continue posting on SW...I hate to give into your threats but I'll just be the bigger person and let you have your way.

    To everyone else in Poo ~ it was fun readding,sharing and debating with you..take care !
    Example of discrimination (Imho):

    the only prudent way to treat Islamics in the US and western europe today is along the same vein as Russians and Eastern Europeans were treated during the 'cold war' days - with some degree of suspicion warranted until proven otherwise !

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44590




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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Actually, it's highly probable that laid off Best Buy employees would become democratic supporters once their unemployment runs out and they start collecting welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing and utility bills etc. if they weren't democratic supporters to begin with !
    Which are the democrats?

    The rich on the coasts?

    Or the poor using welfare?


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    so you know what.... just go F.O

    If they stay I will take it as a direct indication that you are trying to start a war with me.
    I'm not trying to do anything other than voice a politically incorrect opinion every now and then. As to 'starting a war', it appears that I'm way too late for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    As to 'starting a war', it appears that I'm way too late for that.
    I would tend to agree,and being the creatures we all are,we should be making money off of this somehow.

    Might i suggest topless wrestleing in sayyyyyyy lime jello at 15 dollars a head at the door???

    Mel,you of course will have to tie one hand behind your back due to your breasticular advantage.

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    Hello~Kitty, I think it would be best for you to just avoid posting in Political Poo. I am in total understanding of your points of view and am anti-conservative as well, but you will not change the viewpoints of Melonie and those who think like her. I have cut down the amount of posts I make here as well.

    I wanted to PM you but was unable to do so. Although I do not moderate this section I am just recommending you avoid the CONSTANT heartaches you will get here. The handful of conservative members on SW will NEVER acknowledge anything a person from a liberal or socialist perspective has to say, much the same as in the real world.

    Your communication will be much more meaningful and valued on the dancer related sections of SW.

    Just my friendly .02 worth.

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    Tina,
    I appreciate that you mean well, but I do not think the suggestion is going to further any discussion. I suspect that a simple moderation in the tone of posts would eliminated most issues. I, for one, never considerered a good old fashion F. O. as being an effective debate technique.

    As for the original post of the thread, the standard by which corporations are being judged is the private conduct of individuals since it is illegal for corporations to make polittical contributions. As such it smacks of the extortion techniques of blacklisters of the 1950s--tell you employees they cannot support a party or so-and-so will boycott us.

    I did find it interesting that the multinational corporations whose executives are not US citizens, and legally banned from contributing, all get a perfectly neutral rating.

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