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    I was discussing stage tipping with my neighbor. Whenever he goes to the gay strip club, he makes the dancer "work" for his dollar. I said that if he does a sideways handstand on the pole, that's $20. He argued that it's only worth a $1. Also, he enjoys the extras during a dance.

    I'm very happy not to be a male dancer. I knew that they had it bad, but daaaaaaamn.

    As my neighbor continued to drink, I told him that the less I give, the more I'm paid. He said that I couldn't possibly earn more than he does. I laid it out straight.

    "OMG. You earn twice as much as I do!"

    I would have smirked. Instead, I felt insulted as he seemed to feel that I do not deserve the amount I make. I held firm that I earned my money. My services are paid directly by the consumer.

    Customers also give me crap. I don't tell them how much I earn because it's tacky. They assume that I do well, better than them and they assume that I do not work. They get bitter. "I worked 4 hours for this $20 and I'm not spending it on a dance!"

    My neighbor agrees: Blue collars work hard for their money, and I should work a million times harder to get the dollar.

    I do not seek approval. I'm not devaluing my services. I will not toss in extras. Would I challenge the pay of a cardiologist?

    Ya know, I don't wander around Ferrari dealerships, wasting salespeople's time. Am I bitter that I can't afford a Ferrari? Do I get mad at the Ferrari? Is it the Ferrari's fault? To be considerate to the salespeople, I stay off the lot.

    If you can't afford to buy dances, stay out of the club. It's a luxury that you need to earn.

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    Default Re: "Strippers make too much."

    Word.

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    Agreed with Emily, and I think it is a really key point towards earning more at your club, ie, believing in your product. If you don't think you're worth it, or champagne room is too expensive or whatever, the customer is going to pick up on that. But anyway, yeah, the line on American Dad "these women just take off their tops and guys fork over hundreds of their hard-earned dollars" summed up that mindset. We hardly "just take off our tops" - at my club if I 'just' took off my top I wouldn't even make stage fees, not to mention we have a drink hustle so we're rather obliged to sit with customers. And the implication that their dollars are hard-earned whereas our's are acquired easily or even through deceit is just sour grapes - if I was salesperson only working 25 hours a week, yet making a bazillion a year people would be mad at me too.
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    People always like to hate on anyone that does well. I get the same thing sometimes about the job I do. Clients that use the firm I work for bitch about bills all the time but there are ones that really appreciate what I do and know it's worth every penny. If guys at your club think it's too much they should just get the hell out and not waste your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny
    People always like to hate on anyone that does well. I get the same thing sometimes about the job I do. Clients that use the firm I work for bitch about bills all the time but there are ones that really appreciate what I do and know it's worth every penny. If guys at your club think it's too much they should just get the hell out and not waste your time.

    I hope this doesn't come off rude, but Bunny.. im curious, what do you do?
    My curiosity has gotten the best of me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    ...Ya know, I don't wander around Ferrari dealerships, wasting salespeople's time. Am I bitter that I can't afford a Ferrari? Do I get mad at the Ferrari? Is it the Ferrari's fault? To be considerate to the salespeople, I stay off the lot.

    If you can't afford to buy dances, stay out of the club. It's a luxury that you need to earn.
    That sums up my own thoughts exactly. I am aware that a certain segment of society values my "talents" and pays me well for them. I didn't make the "rules" I'm not gonna apologize for making money. Visits to stripclubs should be a discretionary expense. If you can't afford it, don't go. I don't meant that as a knock on blue collar guys, I'm just saying, if it's not in your budget, don't complain and don't try to talk girls into accepting less.
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    Yeah Bunny...now I wanna know...I always thought you might be a DJ 'cuz of the avatar... :WINK:
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    I feel sorry for bitter people like that. I know guys work hard for their money and I thank them accordingly. I know the value in what they spent on me. But, if they come just to watch and lurk amongst the paying customers then they really dont deserve my time because they cannot pay for it.

    I really dont think alot of customers understand this is an all commision job. My first time around alot of guys I met thought I got paid by the hour from the club!!?? They think that when they come to clubs that its ok to talk my head off because Im getting paid anyways.
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    I can't stand the guys who de-value our jobs.... yet still visit the clubs. Anyone with negative thoughts should not be a hypocrite and stay out. This guy I know is always laughing my job off as "easy" money. "Any girl can do it".... It pisses me off because he does not even seem to understand my view point. It takes hard work to keep up with yourself physically, mentally, and emotionally. To be a saleswoman, as well as perform. Oh but you bet... he has been to the strip clubs... IF you have negative thought about dancers, or our job, stay out.( Or pay up and shut up lol) Also, If a guy came in and did not have enough cash to buy a dance.(Or did not want to buy a dance) atleast tip. I hate little eyeballs staring at me and not tipping. I always make sure that i show my appreciation to performers when i go as a customer by tipping them. If there are a whole lot of girls i make sure to give atleast a dollar to all of them. ( Then more to a dancer in particular, as well as a lapdance)

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    Smiley Re: "Strippers make too much."

    As a customer, I think you earn your money. I would not argue with any of you that you make too much money. It's well deserved. More power to you if you have the body and mind to do what you do!

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    Default Re: "Strippers make too much."

    That guy doesn't know WTF he's talking about!

    As a former SCJ I know first hand how hard you girls work to earn your money just like anyone else! It's just like any other business. If I were a girl, I would want way more then a buck or two for inviting you view something so special (like one's body!)

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    Any service or product is worth what the market will pay for it. If one makes good money, it's because there's a market. There's no God of Economy to say what any job is "worth." The market decides.

    I've paid my fair share to dancers, and it was worth it. No economic regrets. I've also turned down offers of dances because it wasn't worth it to me. No regrets there, either.

    If something's worth it to you, then pay it. If not, the door is clearly marked.

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    Default Re: "Strippers make too much."

    personally i have the same stance as tiger's milk; i am sincerely and deeply appreciative of the money afforded to me by a customer, but i will not be devalued and degraded in the process. there are plenty of customers who come in, especially with their friends, and out of the four of them they can only cough up 1 dollar a set? come on now. parking costs more than that. but i am sure the attendant works SO MUCH harder than i am, even though i am contorting myself in weird positions, spinning on poles, and entertaining you on the floor in 6-8 inch stilettos. dont let society's moral value equal our dollar value.
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    Why is it that any sex related entertainment gets different treatment from people.

    If you go to the theatre, you pay for the show. You pay extra if you want a drink. You pay extra for the programme. Strippers give up their rest breaks to provide personal entertainment for the customers, so they should get paid for that. I bet some football players get paid more than strippers, but do the guys compain about that?

    There's an opinion from an Englishman that's outside the biz - have I got the wrong idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Head Boy
    Why is it that any sex related entertainment gets different treatment from people.

    If you go to the theatre, you pay for the show. You pay extra if you want a drink. You pay extra for the programme. Strippers give up their rest breaks to provide personal entertainment for the customers, so they should get paid for that. I bet some football players get paid more than strippers, but do the guys compain about that?

    There's an opinion from an Englishman that's outside the biz - have I got the wrong idea?
    I think you have EXACTLY the right idea.

    As for dancing being easy money--What are people thinking?

    Stripping can be FAST money--on a good night, you sell, dance, get paid . . . . sell, dance, get paid. You can amass a good bit of cash pretty quickly.

    That is not to say it is EASY. I have spent the better part of my adult life learning to be a good saleswoman. I spend time every day improving my sales skills, and there is a lot more left to learn than I have already put under my belt.

    I have to consider every meal I eat, as to how it will affect my figure and in relation, my ability to sell. I have to consider what clothes I am going to wear outside on a sunny day and how they will affect my tan lines. I cannot allow my son to touch my face because I don't want to risk acne where he touches.

    I spend hours every week preparing meals, exercising, shopping for and maintaining costumes, and performing maintainence on my hair, face, and body.

    I spend hundreds of dollars a month for health club membership, costumes, accesories, and beauty products.

    All that before I ever walk in the door!

    Once I get to work, I have to be there 30 minutes early to get ready, then spend 8 hours on my feet in those awful shoes. My job is physically and emotoinally demanding, even under the best of circumstances. Then there are all the OTHER circumstances we have to put up with, the grabbiness, licking, extras-hounding, and so on.

    When I approach a customer, I knock myself out to be charming, friendly, agreeable, and so on. Even though I am sleep-deprived, hungry, frustrated beyond belief, and have just been fighting a customer who suddenly turned into an octpus when nobody was looking, I look into his eyes and smile. I sell. I give the best damn sales pitch he ever heard. Then I move into his space and pormise the best damn dance he has ever had.

    And you know what? I deliver. I give 110% to give each customer the feeling that I am dancing for him and only for him. EVERY customer gets an amazingly sensual, sizzling hot exotic dance. Even as I am fighting off their little grubby hands, I am smiling and speaking is sweet tones, giving the very best I have because I know other people can see me. Because I am a prefessional. Because I have class.

    And people think $20 is too much to pay for a dance? That I don't earn it?

    How do they figure?


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    I think Colleen totally hit the nail on the head.As a matter of fact I think that's what a lot of people are confused about as far as how strippers make money. I think people DO confuse the difference between FAST money and EASY money. Colleen's right. We do make FAST money as strippers. Most other jobs you get paid weekly or bi-weekly, so you have to wait for your money to come in. But as strippers we work in a cash business where we receive our commission at the time of the sale. We can walk in the door with nothing and leave with a few hundred dollars the same day. It's FAST. They think that because it doesn't take much time it must also not take very much effort.

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    Colleen and Alexis are exactly right. I am in 100% agreement.

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    Also I think the bitter ones, who criticize and complain about our earnings, know that we are right. THey just LOVE to get our reaction. It turns them on i guess.

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    This thread really caught my attention! Ugh, tonight I had one of those, " SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?! I OWE YOU SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?!? DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS? I COULD HAVE HAD (enter two stripper's names here) SUCK MY PRICK FOR THAT!"... blah blah blah. It really pissed me off. I was like, "so, go have them do it" and then I used that 4x4 vs. ferrari line . That actually shut him up for about 5 minutes.

    Sure, he was drunk. But, if someone's going to suggest that the CRAP I go through is not worth what I get paid, I'm liable to murder the (enter scathing insult here).

    I'll cut this short, I'm tired and grouchy and I'd rather punch someone other than my keyboard
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    One night recently some asshole told me he didn't buy dances because he had to actually WORK for his money and HELP people, and he couldn't just dance around a couple hours and go home with several hundred$. I told him to get back to me after he's danced a few miles in my unfuckingcomfortable stilettos and try to tell me I don't deserve every damn wadded up dollar I get. I then let him eat a little stripper dust as I went with a smile to the guy right next to him and got a dance for the next song.
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    Default Re: "Strippers make too much."

    Stripping and clubs is a symbiotic relationship, without either there wouldn't be "strip clubs". There would still be clubs and strippers, but no strip clubs.

    If you want to visit strip clubs and be "entertained" then you need to pay, if nobody pays a commercial rate then both the girls and clubs switch and do something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    My neighbor agrees: Blue collars work hard for their money, and I should work a million times harder to get the dollar.

    I do not seek approval. I'm not devaluing my services. I will not toss in extras. Would I challenge the pay of a cardiologist?

    Ya know, I don't wander around Ferrari dealerships, wasting salespeople's time. Am I bitter that I can't afford a Ferrari? Do I get mad at the Ferrari? Is it the Ferrari's fault? To be considerate to the salespeople, I stay off the lot.

    If you can't afford to buy dances, stay out of the club. It's a luxury that you need to earn.
    THinking about this more... you put that really well. Does bill gates work as hard as any of us? Probably not. Who makes more money? The harder you work doesn't necessarily equal the amount of money that you have. That's sheep thinking. Use your assets (whether that's your brain, your ass, or both) to get a foot up in life. THe attitude that you have to go through school working for crappy money in some crappy job so that you can graduate and get a better job is an okay way to go... and I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying that people need to think outside the box and look at the alternatives. Chances are, if you're going to be successful, you need to step on a few people and get THEM to do that work FOR you. I work at a man's clothing store and the assistant manager is constantly telling me "IM THE BEST" and I say, "why?" and he says "because I work the hardest!" and I'm like... No... that means you suck because you're just doing someone else's work.

    Okay, sorry, that got off topic. But, do you know what i mean?
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    Bill Gates is a bad example - he stole a load of other people's work and ideas and got big fast. He's still making money by exploiting surfers, but it looks as if his market may be turning. jmho

    The big problem is that strippers work in the sex industry, and men don't like to accept that they are paying for sex. Some guys think that they are such hot studs that you should be paying them for the privilege of being with them.

    If I want to drink a bottle of wine, I can go to a wine bar and buy the most expensive, or I can buy the cheapest. I could also go to a store and buy a bottle to take home. Nobody argues about the prices as it's the purchasers choice. Sex entertainment isn't any different commercially, the difference is all in the mind of the customer.

    Try going to a lawyer that spouts a load of useless rubbish and loses you a case. Then tell him that his 4 figure bill is too much because you've worked a month to earn it, and all he has done is to sit on his fat arse talking.

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    No, I like my bill gates example... maybe I'm just focusing on his beginning years. He used other people to do his work for him. A lawyer losing your case means you're not getting what you expected out of the deal. Which happens in strip clubs, of course. But this is getting too far off the subject, I think?
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    well said, lizette! i'll be sure to bring up those points to the cheapos in my club!
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