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    I work at a club that's run on a card system...they automatically get their half from the money we put in the card so getting paid by the customers are entirely our business. All the girls charge extra per dance for contact and alot of dickheads agree to pay but then play dumb afterwards.

    My dilemma is that I've kept the guys back there longest when I didn't ask for money up front. Every time I do, they already seem to set a reasonable limit for themselves and rarely change their minds, unless they're blown away by the dance...whew...

    How to ask for the money up front and keep them dancing??? The most money I've made it seems, were times that guys weren't expecting to do alot of dances, really liked it and then paid gladly. I get stressed at the thought of asking for it upfront, wondering if I'm already starting to set a bad vibe.

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    BTW part of my discomfort is because my MO is to act dumb and pretend I really really like them. I have to, because I'm muscular and have an intimidating, unfriendly face I've been told.

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    my club requires money upfront for vips. i simply tell them it's club policy.
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    Normally, I get the money at the end and I think I have only been screwed out of ~two dances in my 3 year dancing career. In a decent number of cases, men have tipped me generously (and remember, tipping is not all common in SCs here) because I did not hound them for payment before the dance. But in my club, customers who try to scam are very uncommon and we have a couple of mean bouncers, so noone gets screwed out of money and this is why I adopt this procedure.

    Yet, I still understand the importance of money first, and I will do it when I'm working in a strictly regulated club where they monitor your income. To get money first, you could always ask for the money flirtatiously before the dance e.g. ''No cash, no ass'' or ''no money, no honey'' and smile, or touch them whilst saying it. That way, it's seen as a more innocent yet standard procedure, instead of the guy feeling like you're after his money. Or you could say, ''Put the money in the slot machine first and watch this baby dance!'' and thrust out your cleavage for them to put money there or offer your garter. Just little fun ways of bringing up the subject of money may almost make them feel like they're not spending it as such.
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    I like getting my money at the end....

    think of it like the credit cards these days.

    Back in the old days, credit cards were only given to the most trustworthy people because they were worried about defaults. Now anyone can get them and there are a lot more defaults, but they make so much more in interest and fees, that it offsets the few deadbeats.

    So you will have a higher proportion of deadbeat customers if you extend credit, but you will have a much higher payoff.

    If you knew you could do an extra 10 dances for every one you were ripped off (just an example), would you do it?

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    From reading this board, it seems that the practice of asking for the money up front varies across the country. I know in a similar thread a good while back some guys said that they would be offended if they were asked to pay first. You seem to be making more money by waiting till the end to mention the money, I say stick with a system that works. Will some jerk rip you off? Yes, but if overall you're coming out ahead, consider it a cost of doing business. Like Malibu said, this is one area where the club and specifically, the bouncers can help. If the club has a reputation of protecting the dancers and making the jerks pay, you have less reason to worry.
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    I've asked for money upfront maybe twice. I go for the, 'Have you been here, have you been to a stripclub before?' line. Guys know the deal, even when they play dumb. If you run into a problem, explain to them that you provide a service. And, that if they refuse to pay for the service, you're within your rights to call the cops. "Do you really want to explain that to your wife?" Talking about money before kills the fantasy. But, if they try to get out of the money later, they're stealing and you shouldn't play nice.
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    And, that if they refuse to pay for the service, you're within your rights to call the cops.

    Have you ever done this? How did you go about it? How did you get the name and so forth to know who to call? I have had it happen a few times, and I woudl LOVE to try this, but I don't wnat to get stuck with the guy calling my bluff.


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    yeah, alot of good advice, especially about the cutesy ways of asking for it. My club does NOTHING to get the girls their money. We have no bouncers and the one manager on duty lets them walk out without even trying to bluff or intimidate. This is probably why it happens more than at other clubs, plus we have no bouncers. It's a low scale club to say the least, and the dj doesn't help one bit by referring to us as hot pussy and ass. And speaking of ass, currently I'm suspended for kicking one guy in the crack of his for not coughing it up, ah-em, and it happened to be right in front of my manager. Not the brightest thing to do, i know but sometimes liquor makes you not care.

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    Even a credit card isn't fool-proof. I once did half a VIP session by the time the house mom bothered to come back and tell me that the credit card didn't go through, so no money at all for me.

    As for cards or tokens, you should get your half when the club gets theirs. I've even know dancers that get the customers to pay the club's portion in addition to the full VIP price thus the customer is paying the club and the dancer gets the full VIP amount.

    If you're agreeing to more contact for extra money? Presumably more contact than club rules allow? If you're breaking the rules you can hardly expect the club to enforce that. I knew dancers who promised to meet customers after work for large payments in advance. Of course they had no intention of keeping the promise (nor tipping out on that money). When the customer complained to management, management insisted the dancer refund the money (she did).

    The few times I get the money up front are when foriegners act like the do not speak English very well. I've had times when they say after the dance that they didn't understand the prices.

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    I have problems with both getting tips for contact as well as the basic rate. Some of these guys try to get away without paying a dime. If they pay the basic rate I never involve the management. I already know it's silly to expect them to back me up on that.

    It's just that it's hard to predict who's going to pay and who's not. Sometimes shady looking guys end up rolling out the wad of hundreds and they'll throw in an extra for me, and then well-spoken rich looking guys turn on me as soon as the dances are over...I'm going in tonight and will try both methods.

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    How did you get the name and so forth to know who to call?

    I act really dumb a lot. Overly dumb. This helps to get a business card. "Oh, it's okay, just give me your business card and I'll call you tomorrow. You can drop the money off at MY house! Maybe we can hang out and watch Baywatch! I have it on DVD!" Customers are no different from us. You get a name, you can invade their lives. If they have a tab at the bar, tip the bar tender to get the name. Once you have that, pull out the law threat. Hell, say you're from out of state and ask to see the ID. There's a million different ploys to get a name. Just act really stupid, and like the $100 he's trying to screw you for is no big deal. That is, if you're really persuaded he's trying to fuck you. If it's only $20, and there's no other way for you to get it, kick him in the balls. If he yells, tell him there's no way to prove you kicked him just like there's no way to prove he owes you $20. For me, when it comes to the law threat I lay it on the line. "You've got a career, a wife/girlfriend, maybe a kid or two. I've got nothing to lose. You do. Do you really want to get into this over $20, $50, $100? I have nothing but time, money, and patience. I'll send your fucking wife an invoice." If you have to press charges over it, if they owe you a lot, if you have a name... You can do a walk in file at the police station. The officers are going to give you dirty looks. They might even say you're wasting your time. But, you ARE within your rights to file charges if you've provided a service and they refuse to pay you. Too bad most strippers have creditors after them instead of working for them. Hmph.

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    When I use to work in rougher clubs I'd always ask for upfront vip dance money. Fortunately, I dont feel the need to do this at the places I work now. Once in a while I still do. I do when there are one or more of the following: (a)guy grabs me when I'm walking and says "let's go to the back"-reason is b/c I don't get a chance to "screen" his personality and size him up first, (b) he is giving signals that he is both grabby and controlling, (c) overall bad vibe
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    One time I was talking to an upscale business man with two friends. He was interested in buying dances from me for his friend,and we were engaging in slight small talk first. Then this girl interupts us... so i tried to make light of the situation by saying "here is another pretty girl for one of you to enjoy" Then the dancer responds,
    "another? I AM the prettiest. " Then, the guy who originally wanted me to dance for his friend ,paid her for two vips to take the friend back instead ($60) I was so pissed but i decided to not let it get the best of me. I stayed talking to this guy instead, while the dancer and the friend went to the back. Well they were done in about 10 minutes so she only made 40 dollars. The friend came back alone, and then the other guy i was talking to(who paid for the friends dances) took me back. He kept me there for SO long, and I was sooo nervous he was going to rip me off. I kept saying... are you SURE you want another? He kept laughing and said yes. In the end i think he bought about 12 vips, and gave me all the money, and 10 dollars extra.
    LoL ,long story short, the rude dancer took away the friend I was about to dance for, and received chump change. I got the better end of the deal and banked. Hell if she would have played fair she may have been in my place. Also, I think i could have had even MORE dances from him but I was so nervous that he would not pay. I was a new dancer and that was the longest i was ever back in VIP. So I casually stopped the dances after 12 or 15.

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    My club will not collect money for me. All they'll do is kick the offenders out. That said, I've had only one customer not pay. He owed $60 and I beat $40 of it out of his friends. Then I had them kicked out. Because they were being jerks about it.

    I've had customers try to wiggle out of their $200 tabs. When I pull out the "I'm getting the bouncer" bluff, they head over to the ATM and pay.

    Next time, I'm going to threaten to call the cops. I'm glad I read this thread.

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    How do you get up to a $200 tab? Is that for rooms or something?
    I've yet to have someone refuse to pay, but most of my experience has been in pay-upfront places.

    One of the reasons I like the club I'm at right now, I don't charge as much for private rooms but the club takes care of everything, including handing me cash the same day even if a customer paid me with a card.
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    It's rare that i don't ask for cash upfront but i often get follow-on dances anyway, if you dance well enough, leave em wanting more they'll usually spill for a couple more dances. If i have a returning customer, i.e. one i danced for earlier in the night then i will usually not bother getting the cash upfront and that usually turns out to be at least two in row then.

    -But my standard line is "Let's get the business part out of the way, then we can get down to the pleasure part" - all said with my hand held out and a smile and a wink. It's quite inoffensive and it makes sure you have you $

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    I've never been asked for money upfront. This is my psychology, I think:

    1. If I were asked for money upfront, and the dance is marginal, I'd have a good reason to say, "Thanks, that's enough," after the first dance. Business is already taken care of, so there's no need to tip or anything.
    2. If I'm not asked for money upfront, and the dance is marginal, I'm more likely to say, "One more, please," to see if things improve.
    3. If I'm not asked for money upfront, I have more motivation to include my tip in with the pay when it's over.

    It follows the age-old market principles: Lower risk, lower but more predictable return; higher risk, higher but less predictable return. Just depends on where you want the balance to fall.

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    I'd hate to see how some of the USA customers react to the Australian strip club "culture". As far as I have learnt since dancing in a lot of clubs across Australia... it is pay.. then play. Money up-front is just a "given" in the strip club culture here.


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    Hmmm.. For me it depends on the guy, the club and how I'm feeling.
    If I've been wanred about a guy or have known him to act up in the past, I will def. ask for it up front.
    For our VIP dances, it is not me who asks for the money but the bouncer watching, because the club gets their cut and they want it NOW. That's actually a great thing because it's a chunk of change all at once.
    for the reg 20 dollar dances we are the ones that have to keep track, I usually tell them that I trust them (if they offer it first,) I take it as a compliment that they are trying to be cool.
    If it goes up to more than three danecs and they haven't paid I will politely ask them if they are sure they have enough if they want more. I'm noit acting like I don't trust them, I just wnat to make sure I get paid and that they have their cab money, tee hee.
    I've never really had to trouble asking for it up front I just point at a table (if ther is one) adn then as I take off my shoes I tell them they can put it there. I'm not asking, just letting them know where to put the money so it is "out of the way."
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    Just to chime in here really quick....We had a girl at a club I worked at continuously dance for a guy in the couch room for probably 2 hours. She attempted to talk him into the VIP room but he declined, so she kept going. When it was over, he handed her a single $20 bill.....claiming she told him it was 20 bucks to go into the couch room. She never mentioned it was per dance, etc. Complete bullshit, obviously. HOWEVER. She DID call the cops, and you know what they did? Jack, and also shit. You can't really prove anything, there's no receipts, there's no nothing. Even if there are cameras, he can say the two of you had an agreement etc. I'm not trying to sound rude, but I think 3 times (in the 12 years I've been doing this) a girl tried to call the cops on a deadbeat custie. Once, just the cops showing up scared him into paying. Once, the guy was let go, as I mentioned above. And the final time, the GM flipped out on the girl for bringing the police to the club at 1230 on a Friday night and again, nothing happened. I would love someone on this board with some legal expertise to weigh in with their two cents on the legal ramifications available to an unpaid dancer. As far as I know, and perhaps it varies from state to state, there isn't a whole lot you can do if you don't get paid, aside from maybe having a large threatening bouncer intimidate them. Do i think it's theft? Yes, I do. But I'm not so sure the law sees it that way. Again, not to be a dick naysayer, just throwing in my personal experiences. I would love to be proved wrong!
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    Moral of the story: don't dance for some disagreeable punk for 2 friggin hours without asking for money!

    I have a couple of KNOWN custys I will go back and forth to throughout the evening and dance for, and collect at the very end. Even still I had one of my regulars run me short once, he still owes me, but he's going to get a beating tomorrow, hehehehe!!!

    I KNOW and trust these guys. If its a stranger, don't take your chances. Make sure he is aware of the payment procedure.

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