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    Most place I have worked, and some of these places, (it would be too kind to call it nice places) had music or some resemblence to such, would have been a luxury to pick your music. Heck, one place had a "Critic's Chocie"nights, where a girl would go on stage, do her number, and the audience would either give her an ovation, or throw beer cans at her.
    I kid you not! When I saw what was going on, I almost bolted. I finished anyway. Needless to say, I never went back. Oh well, my last night off. Go back to the grind tomorrow night. I can hear the music calling.

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    Ok I've been a scdj for about 8 months and I've run into all these situations, I love music, but girls will all wanna dance to the same slow stuff constantly. I realize that dancers make more money when they are dancing to music they like and know. but as a dj I need to keep the crowd interested and AWAKE, so after the catastrophe of the girls picking every song every set, and being pissed off when it didn't played (wish affected my tipout)I came up with this.

    I have all my dancers give me a list of songs they like but I make them give me 10 songs rock/metal, then 10 songs hip hop/rnb, finally 10 songs of whatever they want. This allows me to keep with a crowd, play what the ladies like, and helps me introduce new stuff to girls so I don't play the same thing everynight. This allows me to set up a good set list on my laptop(which I can change) and let the ladies know what's coming up, while I run around like a maniac on my wireless mic and make them money.

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    If travelling, I have no problem dancing at a club that picks my music for me. Every club will at least allow the dancer to pick her genre, in my experience. Since I have to perform lapdances to a variety of crappy songs, I make the most of it.

    BUT, my home club allows me to pick my music and I wouldn't have it any other way. ACTUALLY, my DJ's here are such blank slates that they almost never have suggestions for me. They really don't take the time to update the computer and bring in new and interesting things. I really loved one of my old DJ's in Houston that saved all of the girls names, with a photo beside the names, right in the computer, with various set playlists and his personal recommendations......

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    The dancer MUST be able to at least pick a certain genre or two of music she perfers. Maybe not exact song, but I feel like you can give a good dj an idea and he or she can follow suit and try to make both the entertainer and the crowd happy. Plus, a good dancer can make a guy who's never listened to anything but 2Pac and Dr Dre really feel a group like Portishead if she's a good performer. (Personal experience). It's all about diversity.... Just because a guy has on a jersey and sneakers doesn't mean he wants to hear rap, in my experience the business guys in suits want to hear Nelly and Lil Jon!!My point is the dancer should at least have some kind of say in her music. Period.

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    so if the top earning club for 500 miles around went to a pre set format where the girls didnt pick the music,do you think they would ever have a problem getting girls to work??

    I dont.

    If its a small club,where the earning potential mirrors 5 other clubs in the area,yea,then i could see alot of girls leaving to go to the clubs where they can pick the music.

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    oh yeah, and i should mention there's nothing that pisses me off more than songs that repeatedly have the n-word or refer to women as bitches and hos. that is something i refuse to dance to. i find it offensive to black customers and coworkers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxicgirl
    oh yeah, and i should mention there's nothing that pisses me off more than songs that repeatedly have the n-word or refer to women as bitches and hos. that is something i refuse to dance to. i find it offensive to black customers and coworkers.
    I agree 100%,its degrading and lacks respect on many levels,but i dont think a strip club is the place to make a stand on this issue imo.

    Its hard to listen to the top popular music without running into "dirty words".

    If its closer by NIN,singing "I want to fuck you like an animal"or prince talking about "pussy control"or 50 cents talking about his lollipop in your candy shop,or even LOA and "darling come here and fuck me up the ass",etc,etc,etc
    These are are proven money makers in a strip club and the list is endless.

    For the most part,customers want to hear it dirty imo.

    People would have never heard of puddle of mud if thier first single didnt say "i like the way you smack my ass",same same for prodigy and "smack my bitch up",again,more proven money makers in the clubs.

    It is very possible for an entertainer to not dance to songs with dirty words,i just think they are giving up alot when it comes to strip club big hits of today,tomorrow,and yesterday.

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    I agree 100 %. Raunchy music has it's place in the strip club. After all we are shakin our asses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I agree 100%,its degrading and lacks respect on many levels,but i dont think a strip club is the place to make a stand on this issue imo.

    Its hard to listen to the top popular music without running into "dirty words".

    If its closer by NIN,singing "I want to fuck you like an animal"or prince talking about "pussy control"or 50 cents talking about his lollipop in your candy shop,or even LOA and "darling come here and fuck me up the ass",etc,etc,etc
    These are are proven money makers in a strip club and the list is endless.

    For the most part,customers want to hear it dirty imo.

    People would have never heard of puddle of mud if thier first single didnt say "i like the way you smack my ass",same same for prodigy and "smack my bitch up",again,more proven money makers in the clubs.

    It is very possible for an entertainer to not dance to songs with dirty words,i just think they are giving up alot when it comes to strip club big hits of today,tomorrow,and yesterday.
    I think the over-use of thoes words in songs is what shes objecting to. Theres a big difference in racial slurs then a goold ole raunchy song. In fact Ive heard about clubs that wont let you play songs like Pussy by LOA or any over sexual songs about bumping uglies....um...HELLO....do you all remember what Buisness were in............
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    It's not surprising that you can't pick your music. Most big clubs don't allow girls to pick music. The reason for this is that what girls what to play isn't usually what customers what to hear. The DJ is there to entertain the crowd, not the girls. For the most part, if the girls choose their music based on what they think they can dance to or like-they won't make money. Also, most DJ don't have time to listed to girls pissing and moaning about their music selection, not to mention most DJ just don't care. Are you allowed to tell the DJ the catagory of music you like? From experience, they don't seem to mind knowing what catagory you like-it seems to help.
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    I'm sorry ladies. Truly, I don't want to sound mean but, I disagree with the thought that we should have control over our music. I disagree for many reasons. For one (and this is just my opinion-don't have me for saying) we are there to dance and do nothing more. I've worked in many clubs and find that the ones that don't succeed are those that the girls RUN. We aren't there to make choices and quite frankly giving options to girls is obsured. Once you turn a club around to where girls have options-they end up running the club. Like green said-you need to be able to dance to anything if you want to succeed. I find that DJ can sell me better than I can. The DJs I have worked with over the years have helped me make money by making decisions that I otherwise couldn't have made. That is the only job the dj has-To make us money. So instead of being angry about your DJ and the fact that you may not get your way-commend him for helping you continue to be the best dancer you can be.
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    one last though-I can't believe your djs play that degrading music-that is a lack of knowledge on their part and i'm sorry you have to deal with that crap-wish you could come work with me. We don't deal with all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAILEE
    I'm sorry ladies. Truly, I don't want to sound mean but, I disagree with the thought that we should have control over our music. I disagree for many reasons. For one (and this is just my opinion-don't have me for saying) we are there to dance and do nothing more. I've worked in many clubs and find that the ones that don't succeed are those that the girls RUN. We aren't there to make choices and quite frankly giving options to girls is obsured. Once you turn a club around to where girls have options-they end up running the club. Like green said-you need to be able to dance to anything if you want to succeed. I find that DJ can sell me better than I can. The DJs I have worked with over the years have helped me make money by making decisions that I otherwise couldn't have made. That is the only job the dj has-To make us money. So instead of being angry about your DJ and the fact that you may not get your way-commend him for helping you continue to be the best dancer you can be.
    To be honest...sounds like you were lucky with your djs. Ive heard ALOT of horror stories on this board and on others about DJs. But your right....we (djs and dancers) look at the crowd in different ways, and most of the good ones are about trying to make EVERYONE money. Girls just look at a particular customer and two and dont see the whole picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillydj
    Girls just look at a particular customer and two and dont see the whole picture.
    And i dont blame them one bit!

    Give me the chance to pinpoint in on one money maker for the night who isnt a freekin pig!!!
    Fuckin A right!Im there!!!!
    I dont care if he wants me to paint my ass purple and dance to the Barney theme,he wants it,and he is payin cash,lots of it!!!!
    Im ridin this train till its outta coal baby!
    When i walk into the booth,that fuckin dj had better be ready to play something THAT PIG wants,and not what the rest of the crowd wants!

    And I pay this fucker???

    Yea,me tinx he better play my Barney theme.

    If he doesnt,im going to tell the manager or owner,have my boyfriend or husband kick his ass,or tip him the minimum,IN PENNIES,for the rest of his miserable fucking life!
    (and he better play me up as much as that harlet Heaven,who i happen to know, blew him in the booth last friday night instead of tipping him out)

    My shit doesnt stink,they told me this world is mine and revolves around me,I make the big bucks and pay these fuckers every night,thats MY picture in the ads on TV and magazines!!!

    Yea,if I need this song for my job,to do my job,the best job for everyone involved(regardless of the current crowd),got dammed right,this fucker better play my song.Or I might just kick his ass myself,right here in front of god and country.

    lol you think strippers are bad????

    Try a stripper with a dj attitude and ego.

    If I was still young and purty and decided to dance again,I would be a handful for any DJ.(and of course,i would freekin bank!lololol so they would HAVE to eat my turd!LOLOLOL)

    So I see ya commin ladies,cause thats how I would bring it.

    Im gonna skip the "yes its your world,but your just a component in the overall show"story you get from the good dj's.

    And this is where the battle lines are drawn,this exact point in the nightly,4-5 times a night,battle between dancer and dj.


    LOL

    You got the balls to come into my booth and ask for anything,to include CPR,you better bring it like you mean it.
    Then and only then can we discuss the barney theme and how its going to make US money,and get neither of us fired.

    Would i dump an entire room for one girl???
    Nope,i wont admit to it in public.
    have I done it for girls who were the shit???
    Yup,often.and no records were kept,so ya cant prove it.

    And guess what,it aint about how much they tipped.

    Most good dj's tell thier top tippers "No"more often then they tell thier minimums"what was your name again"?

    DJing in sc's would be easy if they all tipped the same.

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    I work in a club right now where the girls are allowed to play anything we want. It's the busiest club in town (save for one I haven't visited yet, can't speak about that one). The customers LIKE it because of the variety, and the laid back atmosphere, and the fact we girls can use our own personality in routines, rather than some pre-planned format that is oh-so-boring or sticking to what 1 or 2 guys think is good. The club HAS been one of the most popular clubs in town for years - it's been there for 43 years. The girls don't RUN the club, but we sure have a LOT of say in what we do.

    I'm sorry Bailee, but I've worked in alot of clubs, and in my experience, the girls tend to do better in places where they're not stifled by too many corporate rules (not talking contact rules here). I think there's a problem if a DJ, any DJ, can sell a stripper better than she can sell herself. On stage or off.

    Yeah a good entertainer could dance to anything. My point is, she shouldn't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    I work in a club right now where the girls are allowed to play anything we want. It's the busiest club in town (save for one I haven't visited yet, can't speak about that one). The customers LIKE it because of the variety,
    Sorry,your in AZ,been there,done that.

    Your customers spread rocks across thier front yard and paint them different colors.
    If you want to see a red or purple rock yard,move to AZ.

    Never drop acid and get lost in a trailor park in Sierra Vista,trust me!!!!

    Im not bashing folks in AZ,they just different,and things that work there,work very few other places.


    and the laid back atmosphere, and the fact we girls can use our own personality in routines, rather than some pre-planned format that is oh-so-boring or sticking to what 1 or 2 guys think is good. The club HAS been one of the most popular clubs in town for years - it's been there for 43 years. The girls don't RUN the club, but we sure have a LOT of say in what we do.
    kewl beans

    But just like the mom and pops lost to MacDonalds,so will the mom and pop strip clubs,its just a matter of time.

    Some mom and pops will make it,and from what your saying about the history of your club,it could be one of them,but again,not many will survive imo.
    Those that do survive will adopt the industry standards,to include the entertainers NOT picking thier music.
    Please remember,I think us dj's did just as shitty a job at it also,and i think the dj's will also lose the "choice"of music in the near future as well.
    I'm sorry Bailee, but I've worked in alot of clubs, and in my experience, the girls tend to do better in places where they're not stifled by too many corporate rules (not talking contact rules here). I think there's a problem if a DJ, any DJ, can sell a stripper better than she can sell herself. On stage or off.
    I too have worked in many different clubs,ALL of them that were remotely "run"by the girls,or even just the girl who was sleeping with the owner at the time,or some dancer who came down from the stage to be the manager for the moment,NONE of them were run well or worked out.
    not ment to offend,just what I have seen.
    I dont know why,females just dont do well when given the choice or the authority in this industry to this point imo.
    I hope that changes in the future,but from what i have seen in the past,it just doesnt work,ever,not once,in a million trys.
    Yeah a good entertainer could dance to anything. My point is, she shouldn't have to.
    I agree.
    But in the stage rotation,often times your dancing to the first two songs YOU wanted,then two more songs that the next girl wanted.
    What if she wanted Sum 41 or slipsnot?
    50 cent or DMX??

    Someone has to protect the back end of your set and it wont be the girl comming up behind you thinking "lil bit"is going to make her money,she doesnt care about what you want to hear,its her turn in the spot light.

    All you gotta do is sit back and think on the WORST song you ever heard in a strip club,chances are,it was picked by a fellow dancer.

    Then picture yourself dancing to it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I too have worked in many different clubs,ALL of them that were remotely "run"by the girls,or even just the girl who was sleeping with the owner at the time,or some dancer who came down from the stage to be the manager for the moment,NONE of them were run well or worked out.
    Missing the point. Not talking about girls running the place or being managers. Talking about being allowed to pick their music and work their own style, as strippers and entertainers.

    As for the rest. I realize the Deja Vus et all will eventually take over. But I reckon I'll be off the stage by then. And lest you forget, my experience is HARDLY limited to AZ dear. I've worked alot of clubs all over the US and a lil elsewhere. In my experience, the girls tend to do better where they're not stifled by too many corpofuck rules. How long HAVE you been working for that same chain BG?

    Why must you be so nitpicky, but graze over certain important points?

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    Oh and my club ain't a mom and pop. For the record. It's part of a small southwestern chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette

    Why must you be so nitpicky, but graze over certain important points?
    I see your point B,I just have NEVER seen a club work like the one you describe where the dancers pick the music,and all come out doing thier own thing.

    I just never seen it outside of a burly stage show..

    Hell,if you were to ask alot of the girls i work with,they would SWEAR they pick thier own music,but in reality,they dont.
    Just like if I were to say as the dj,and the guy who set format for many clubs at the same time,even I dont get to really pick the music,and im the BUYER of that clubs musical assets!
    i cant even BUY the stuff i want,I have to buy what everyone else wants.


    If anyone really thinks they have control over what they want to hear,let me know,I will be the first one sitting in perv row when they put on Pavoratti or lawrence welk hits,tipping bennies.
    Its not about what you or me wants to hear,if it is,its not profitable,just in what I have seen.
    If you guys got a better mousetrap in Az,kewl beans.


    But heres the real test,and it doesnt work on newbies,or girls who are full of shit,so im sure you will get this....

    If your a veteran,do you dance to the music you fuck to???
    What i mean is,when your at home,boppin the better half,are you listening to the stuff you dance to???
    I said veteran,I know the newbies still do.
    Do YOU, B,fuck to the same music you dance to on stage currently???

    Zactly,check mate.
    A professional entertainer doesnt dance to what turns her on,and a professional dj doesnt play what he wants to hear,as much as they both try to.


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    God that totaltty sucks i was going to adduttion for bare elgence but i am not now that is something i could not deal with. I dance to all 80's hair metal and will not change it works for me i make my money that way i have custumes for it and everything. And futher more i hate a mostly rap club in encourges botty bouning which is the tackiest thing a stripper can do and takes away from the art of exotic dance.

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    At the club I'm at the girls are allowed to choose their own music....Not only is this good but it also creates promblems. For some unknown reason and I dont really understand it the girls cannot read the crowd when it comes to music..for example on a night when the club is packed with men in their 40's or 50's do you honestly think they really want to listen to the newest goth or metal music or the newest rap or r&b, no they want to hear what they know, or a night when the majority of the people in the room are rock fans or metal fans do you think they want to hear rap no not really, or when the room is filled with a bunch of rap fans do you think they want to hear country i dont think so but you get the point. Each given night at the club there is always one certain type of music that the majority of the custy's enjoy but the dancers cant read that nor do I think they have really paid attention to it, I let the dancer pick their music and I play even though I know its a bad idea just to avoid listening to them bitch. The truth is as a dj it's our job to read the crowd and find out what the custy's musical taste is as a majority and you can usually tell by the reaction the girl gets when a song comes on. Another problem I have with dancers picking their sets is sometimes the dancer doesnt pick their own set and I play the music according to what reaction I'm getting from the crowd the dancer may not like the song but 9 times out of 10 she made a lot of money off of that set, but she still yells at me for her not picking her damn songs as if I should know what she wanted to dance to I work with over 40 girls through a week and I work with 10 or 12 girls a night what can I say instead of racking my brain trying to figure out what a girl wants to dance to I'd rather rack my brain trying to find out what the group of guys want to hear, more money in her pocket more money in mine hey I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krchab99
    God that totaltty sucks i was going to adduttion for bare elgence but i am not now that is something i could not deal with. I dance to all 80's hair metal and will not change it works for me i make my money that way i have custumes for it and everything. And futher more i hate a mostly rap club in encourges botty bouning which is the tackiest thing a stripper can do and takes away from the art of exotic dance.
    If Bare Elegence is the top money making club,or the safest club for the girls,in your area,then im sorry to hear this decision you have made.
    It of course is YOUR decision,and what some old fuck in Va says doesnt add up to a hill of beans,but im going to try anyways.
    Not ment to offend.
    Any entertainer,IN MY OPINION,should maximize thier earnings potential while they are in this very brief window of opertunity.
    Your time on stage is very limited,you cant do this for 20 years and then pinch a pension for the rest of your life.
    Its just my opinion,but I think every entertainer,who can do it,should reach for the most money,in the most profitable situation possible.
    If that means dancing to whatever,then thats exactly what you or any entertainer should dance to IMO.

    If Bare Elegence is the top club in your area,and you dont work there just because of the music,IMO,thats a bad entertainer business decision.

    Besides,i dont think you will have alot of problems wanting to dance to hair bands in this industry.

    This thread has lost its focus.

    Its the MOVIE thats important,not the soundtrack.

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    BigGreen. LMAO. In the sack I prefer the sounds of heavy breathing, moaning, licking, sucking, balls slapping against my ass.....um, yeah I don't fuck to music. Ever. But if I did, I would prefer to do it to the music I play at work. Yep. My work music style matches my fuck style. You bet. And it most definitely works for me.

    And yes, at the clubs I've worked where the girls pick their music, they're most often playing from their OWN CDs, so I'd have to say that THEY certainly are picking it. I for one don't dance to anything the DJ has - the DJs at my club do suck when it comes to keeping up with music. Especially the stuff I like. Everything I play is from my own CDs that I brought in myself. I know how to work it and it works well for me.

    It would be nice if more girls would be more professional about it though, I have to agree with that. Perhaps understanding that 5 sets in a row of anything really isn't going to work for the crowd, and they should change it up when it's their turn. Or choosing not to play anything with Lil John when most the crowd is 50yo white guys. But it goes back to the point made earlier. If we had nothing but GOOD entertainers, we wouldn't need DJs or formats at all.

    Still, over the years, in my experience, the girls tended to do better when they weren't too stifled by corpofuck rules, because the resulting variety was always more pleasing OVERALL to a wider range of customers. Bigger customer base = more $ potential. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.

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    I will say that dancing to some dancers like my self is a personal expersion not just a money based actiivty. I dance to express my inner personilty which radiates on me when i enjoy what i am dancing to. So there is not way i could be the best of me dancing to something that dose not at all refect who i am and what i enjoy just becuse it makes money. Chances are it would not make money for me beucse i would feel uncomfortable. SO my choice to dance where i choose is not soley based on the earning potentional but largely on wheather i feel comforatable or not.

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    ^^^^^^^I tried for 2 hours to answer this post.^^^^^^^^^^^

    I had to delete at least 20 attempts at a reply,they all made your respose look stupid,childish,and nieve<sp>,and made me look like a dickhead for telling you so.

    So im going to pass on answering the "Im in it for the art"response from a stripper, other then to say,you need a wake up call and i hope someone gives it to you real soon,for your own bennies.

    Best of luck.

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