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    Default So they portrayed Bush as the uneducated...

    and it turns out Kerry is the one scoring D's at Yale...



    I guess it is pretty easy to say "John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences" when one hides one's grades.

    Now lets see, I remember an E-Mail going around comparing the various celebrities education with that of the administrations people (with Rice having a jaw dropping education career) - and yet the administration was portrayed as a bunch of illiterate billie bobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Now lets see, I remember an E-Mail going around comparing the various celebrities education with that of the administrations people (with Rice having a jaw dropping education career) - and yet the administration was portrayed as a bunch of illiterate billie bobs.
    Yes, chain letter truth is beyond reproach!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Yes, chain letter truth is beyond reproach!
    Hey man, it was on the internet - it's gotta be true!

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    Default Re: So they portrayed Bush as the uneducated...

    CNN had the story title today:

    Numbskull and Bones


    That was pretty good.
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    I don't think Bill Clinton EVER released his educational records, so at least Kerry had the courage to do that. For all we know, Kerry makes Clinton look like a dunce.

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    Clinton was a Rhodes scholar. You don't get that by being stoopid or making bad grades.

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    Clinton went to Georgetown University undergrad (School of Foreign Service) where he was class president. He was also a Rhodes Scholar and went on to Yale Law School.

    Whatever you think of Clinton's politics, the guys intellectual pedigree is simply astonishing (Dee Dee once told me that even though he had this pedigree, everybody in Washington thought he would show up in the West Wing without shoes just because he was the governor of Arkansas).

    Clinton not only has encyclopedic knowledge and amazing critical faculties, he can seduce anyone, male or female, at the drop of a hat and he recalls personal details and insights on every single person he has ever met in his entire life.

    A natural politician.

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    Just because you got D's in school doesn't make you stupid...getting straight A's doesn't make you smart...it just means that you know how to reguritate.

    What makes Bush stupid is his inability to form complete, coherent sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Just because you got D's in school doesn't make you stupid...getting straight A's doesn't make you smart...it just means that you know how to reguritate.

    What makes Bush stupid is his inability to form complete, coherent sentences.
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    (Es duro mantener la gramática recta entre español e inglés)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    getting straight A's doesn't make you smart...it just means that you know how to reguritate.
    Or cheat like a madman...

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    Scuse me but regurgitation will only get you so far in school. Straight As is more a sign of intelligence than most people like to think. In combination with hard work and sometimes charisma.

    Bill Clinton's educational background most certainly IS a sign of high intelligence. People don't accomplish what he did academically, especially coming from Podunk, AR, without some serious BRAINS.

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    At least Bush knows how to disassemble . . .

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    Default Re: So they portrayed Bush as the uneducated...

    LOL, Susan! I was thinking the same thing!

    (...that means "not tell the truth", right? )

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    It's actually "dissemble." I'm just twitchy about that stuff.

    George I was the smart one.

    "... he became a student leader at Phillips Academy in Andover. On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action.
    "Bush next turned his energies toward completing his education and raising a family.... at Yale University he excelled both in sports and in his studies; he was captain of the baseball team and a member of Phi Beta Kappa." That was while bringing up a family of five kids. Like Clinton, just about everyone George H.W. Bush ever met had a personal reminder of their meeting.

    We had such a crappy choice these last two elections.

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    I read an article today that said one of the most intelligent presidents of the last century was also one of the least effective, Woodrow Wilson. While I'm not advocating stupidity, intelligence and an ivy league education are not the most important qualities for being a successful president. There's no question Bill Clinton is extremely intelligent. Staff members would be amazed that he could recall minute details of little know legislation they had forgotten about. Yet, whether you love him, or love to hate him, you have to admit he was stupid for letting his presidency get sidetracked because he couldn't keep his pants zipped. Jimmy Carter has a degree in Nuclear Engineering. Yet his presidency was so ineffective, members of his own party rarely claim him. Then consider Ronald Reagan, who I think went to some little state school no one ever heard of. Whether you agree with his politics or not, he was very effective in getting his message out and his policies passed. The most important things in being a successful president are staying focused, attracting and keeping talented people around you, and keeping your staff motivated to reaching your goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    It's actually "dissemble." I'm just twitchy about that stuff.
    Um, Jay? We know that, but he doesn't.

    Bush: It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of -- and the allegations -- by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble -- that means not tell the truth.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20050531.html

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    Sorry, Susan - wasn't aware of that. Missed that humor entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    There's no question Bill Clinton is extremely intelligent. Staff members would be amazed that he could recall minute details of little know legislation they had forgotten about. Yet, whether you love him, or love to hate him, you have to admit he was stupid for letting his presidency get sidetracked because he couldn't keep his pants zipped.
    Umm, Sweet Willie's BJ didn't sidetrack his administration; the RepubliCONS and their ilk - who banged their moral drum & decided his blowjob was more important than say possible terrorism, Rwandan genocide, healthcare, etc. - were the ones that "sidetracked" his admin.

    But you are right that Clinton is a brilliant man

    Bush has proven time after time that he is a bonafide idiot not only when it comes to his infamous Bushisms, but thru his history as a "businessman" and so-called president. I couldn't stand Ronald Reagan (may him and his legacy RIP), but I would take him or the like any day over this dangerous nutjob & his nutjob admin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst
    Umm, Sweet Willie's BJ didn't sidetrack his administration; the RepubliCONS and their ilk - who banged their moral drum & decided his blowjob was more important than say possible terrorism, Rwandan genocide, healthcare, etc. - were the ones that "sidetracked" his admin.
    No, that's my point exactly. Bill Clinton gave them the opportunity through his own reckless behavior. Whether you think all the investigations and impeachment was justified or not, the truth is that if Bill Clinton would have exercised a little self-control, none of it would have ever happened. Then he could have focused more on more important matters like, say possible terrorism, Rwandan genocide, healthcare, etc. Like I posted before, one of the most important parts of a successful president is staying focused. When you give your political opponents easy targets like Bill Clinton did, that makes it that much harder.
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    I'm pretty comfortable in suggesting that Clinton's indiscretions were minor compared to those of several other presidents, and that the virulence which has been an increasingly large part of the American political scene is why Washington ground to a halt for a few years. Blaming Clinton for giving the Republicans an easy target is like blaming the rape victim--he WAS reckless, but THEY were the ones who blew things out of proportion and decided a vendetta was more important than governance.

    Anyway...

    I actually think GWB is really, really smart. His facility with the language leaves something to be desired, but when you are expected to field questions and speak intellligently on almost any current event as well as several longstanding and extremely complex issues, and have to always keep in mind the political and diplomatic repercussions of what you say, I think almost anyone risks being overwhelmed. Clinton was truly amazing in that regard, but there aren't too many Bill Clintons in the world and many of them don't have the desire to get into politics (because, for example, it's a lot easier to get blowjobs from the help without being humiliated internationally in investment banking).

    I think Bush's problem isn't that he's stupid. He's not. I think his problem (and sometimes, to give him credit where credit is due, his strength) is that he doesn't really care what people outside his inner circle think, and he doesn't keep people in his inner circle for long if they don't agree with him most of the time.
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    COMMUNICATION is required of all executives. Bush has essentially failing marks in that area.
    How can you lead if you cannot communicate and gain the confidence of others?
    If I didn't have that better abilities than Bush, I would not even attempt to become political. But he doesn't care since he is so ego-inflated.
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    ^ All I'll say, is that continually underestimating GWB (or misunderestimating, as GWB would say) is what allowed him to rise to the White House.

    Don't confuse effectiveness in communication with effectiveness in politicking. GWB and WJC share opposite traits in this regard.
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    ^ That and the democrats are associated with stupid silly things like "political correctness"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Scuse me but regurgitation will only get you so far in school. Straight As is more a sign of intelligence than most people like to think. In combination with hard work and sometimes charisma.

    Bill Clinton's educational background most certainly IS a sign of high intelligence. People don't accomplish what he did academically, especially coming from Podunk, AR, without some serious BRAINS.
    Well, I wasn't making any insult directly at WJC. He IS a genius...and I have never had a problem with him...

    But, c'mon...in my years in college...it wasn't about submitting my ideas based upon what I learned throughout the year in the course. It was about being able to remember what points were important to the prof and regurgitating it at exam time. Genius is not discovered in school...but afterwards where original thinking is really appreciated and put to work...but inside the school...the best way to get straight A's is to study...remember...and regurgitate.

    Now while people may "under-estimate" Monkey Boy...I feel that the majority of the states have "over-estimated" him. His war plan sucks...his grasp on the use of vernacular is sub-par and is, frankly, quite embarassing. Politics is about communication. How can you be a successful politician if you cannot accurately, fluidly, and properly communicate your thoughts, ideas, plans, etc? Making up words as you go along is not genius...it's called poor reading/comprehension skills.

    In person, Curious George may be a nice guy...but he's not a good politician and he's an even worse president. Be real all, if he was not at the benefit of his family money...do you REALLY think he would have ever made it this far? No.

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