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    I just say what I want and the world can deal with it. BUT, I don't openly broadcast my experience giving extras because the word inflames certain members for no good reason. Besides, from what I know now, some of the biggest prudes on the pink side are some of the biggest whores. Hahaha, I just fart in their general direction.

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    Gee, guys, I'm soooo sorry that the stripper board isn't entertaining enough for you. After all, that's what it's there for.

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    ^ How about less entertainment and a little more honesty?

    All I have to do when I read a thread about a remotely controversial topic being systematically neutered is think, "What would Kat or Bridgette et al have said?" if they weren't going to have their posts clipped?

    Given the nature of the industry today and the people on the three ends of it (dancers, customers and management), how much homogeneity of thought and opinion does SW really need? Is it a sign of refinement and progressive thought that no one dares start a thread on extras, HG/OTC activity, escorting or the like because any pinkie that is remotely honest is subsequently labelled a whore, thereby rendering that thread doomed to paring or purging from a moderator?

    seriously, what's the old japanese proverb, "The nail that sticks out will be hammered down". it's like when Thorn was put on sitewide ignore after he came on SCJ. i thought it was a bit extreme given that i don't recall anything he said unsettling, but hey, it's not my site.
    I never cared for Thorn's posts, simply because they were needlessly antagonistic and staid. That said, was he really that out of line that he needed to be effectively banned from the site?

    And, of course, I'm sure you haven't considered that maybe there are people in the world who might find unending repetitions of "Wow, Nameless Virtual Stripper, I'd really like to cum on your face" a little bland after a while.
    Actually, these posts are only slightly less banal than the posts from embittered and marginally misandristic dancers that like to pontificate how grateful we should be to share the same webspace with them regardless of how little SW has actually come to reflect the industry. And then there's the "What should my stage name be," threads...
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    CO, you must have missed the very recent, very thorough thread about escorting, which included several different viewpoints: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50275
    (and yes, you will notice that one girl tells her how to blatantly piss off customers, while another tells her this is a good way to get a bad rep and piss people off.)

    Dude, I banned the "what should my stage name be" threads personally two months ago. And you're welcome. And I don't really care if you guys think SW is boring. It does get repetitive (hence those of us who repeatedly write "Have you heard of the 'search' function?'), but girls are free to say what they want--if they want to be pussies and not talk about their personal experiences because they are afraid of what strangers on a site will say, that's their perogative too.

    But topics and posters aren't banned or removed because of controversy, they're removed when discourse in uncivil and unproductive. An exchange of "I'm right and you suck" doesn't help--though I suppose it would amuse you guys.

    This is also why we don't like guys responding to vent threads. How does it help either party when a stripper asks "How do I get handsy customers to back off?" and a customer posts, "You're a prude and shouldn't be a stripper. It's my right to grab your shit." It's better to have the stripper get actual advice she can apply for her situation and for the customer to boast of his exploits/seek advice amongst those willing to give it.

    And come on, who said you were lucky to share the webspace with us? We could give a shit where you hang out. Just use a little common sense--if you walk into Starbucks and hear a table of girls bitching about work, are you going to walk over and say, "You know, I bet you're doing something wrong at work, and here's what I think it is . . ."? While you might have a great point, don't expect a warm welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dollylocks
    must not take much top peak your interest....
    Evidently not. And yes, I'm much more prepared to be entertained and pleased than look for things to generally bitch at (even though, honestly, I DO excel at the bitching).

    Quote Originally Posted by dollylocks
    And while "wow, nameless virtual stripper..." may get bland after a while, I'm sure such things as learning how many pills one should devour to lose weight instead of getting your fat ass into the gym, is perpetually stimulating!

    Let me tell you, sometimes I just wet myself with the excitement of topics like "My Boyfriend doesn't want me to strip...Woe is Me"

    ::gags::
    But these are things that are important to a lot of strippers. Health, fitness, relationship support is much more important in many people's everyday life than some stranger over the internet validating your sexuality. Fortunately the internet does have room for both those things. It's not either/or, and there just doesn't seem to be any NEED to insult those who use this site differently than you. I haven't noticed anyone over there saying, "Oh my god. Can you even believe those girls who go on the blue site to talk about facials?" THEY pretty much seem to have a live/let live mentality.

    Of course - I don't PM or interact with people outside the boards. Maybe they all are doing that and I just don't know about it.

    Placing your value judegements (e.g. those who take supplements are obviously not going to the gym, are fat and lazy, and don't deserve advice) is really not that different from them doing it to you or anyone else, is it? And, incidentally, I do find advice about products useful here. Website of 16000 members. Someone here has tried EVERYTHING. It's an excellent consumer resource.

    Actually, these posts are only slightly less banal than the posts from embittered and marginally misandristic dancers that like to pontificate how grateful we should be to share the same webspace with them regardless of how little SW has actually come to reflect the industry
    Okay, you're talking about me right? But I would say they are about equally banal.

    How about less entertainment and a little more honesty?

    All I have to do when I read a thread about a remotely controversial topic being systematically neutered is think, "What would Kat or Bridgette et al have said?" if they weren't going to have their posts clipped?
    Okay, now in some situations honesty is a little over-rated. While I do agree that there has been historically too much "whore finger pointing" (which I have always openly opposed, by the way, and if I've been ostracized or ignored, I haven't noticed, and have posted merrily away regardless) that is not because of overmoderation. That is because of scapegoat stripolitics, and that can't be moderated away. I think maybe the reason Kat and/Bridgette don't respond SOME of the time (and no disrespect here ladies) is likely because they know that certain venues are more appropriate for certain conversation (e.g. cumming on the face of our hypothetical stripper). That is also an element of courtesy, get me?

    Maybe I just don't pay enough attention. I haven't noticed any particular "neutering". Can you maybe give me an example of a topic that was defanged in a bad way? Because I'm willing to bet that the things that piss me right off are very different than the one's you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Geez, considering that you all seem so happy over here there is some serious bitterness towards the pink side. All this "them bitches got the boring site they deserve for not wanting to hear about me eating stripper pussy" seems a little uncalled for. And, of course, I'm sure you haven't considered that maybe there are people in the world who might find unending repetitions of "Wow, Nameless Virtual Stripper, I'd really like to cum on your face" a little bland after a while.
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    Drive a volvo into a vulva

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    Get some fuckings tits in this thread too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    I never cared for Thorn's posts, simply because they were needlessly antagonistic and staid. That said, was he really that out of line that he needed to be effectively banned from the site?
    sure, you can characterize his posts in any number of ways. however, i don't think anyone could characterize his posts as being uncivil. i'm sure some people found him to be an overbearing, pretentious, pompass jackass with an over-inflated ego the size of the grand canyon, but if that's a crime. jenny and evan should have been banned ages ago and kat should be burned in effigy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    But topics and posters aren't banned or removed because of controversy, they're removed when discourse in uncivil and unproductive.
    but at what cost? i don't think thorn was either of those things. at least, not down here. sheesh, it must have been a battalion of biatches PMing pryce 24/7 in order for him to get a sitewide ignore while he's posting on SCJ. generally speaking, banning someone for being uncivil is one thing, but banning someone for being "unproductive" is quite another. if a poster is banned because his/her "unproductivity" upsets the harmony, values or consensus building of the community. fine. however, it comes with a price, so, you'll get your conformity and consensus because you just undercut individuality by forcing people to bend to the will of the group. however, you won't get much real harmony, but more of an artificial kind. unless, your idea of real harmony is a group of people too weak or frightened to engage in the opinionated exchange of ideas.
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    CO, you must have missed the very recent, very thorough thread about escorting, which included several different viewpoints: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50275
    (and yes, you will notice that one girl tells her how to blatantly piss off customers, while another tells her this is a good way to get a bad rep and piss people off.)
    Not only did I miss it, way down on the list there, I'm sure most of the viewership here missed the thread as well. I don't think the thread would have received such comparatively gentle treatment in the Lounge, for example.

    Dude, I banned the "what should my stage name be" threads personally two months ago. And you're welcome.
    Well, then I stand corrected; it's been a while since I'd seen one.

    And come on, who said you were lucky to share the webspace with us?
    Just something of an attitude that comes across not infrequently...

    Maybe I just don't pay enough attention. I haven't noticed any particular "neutering". Can you maybe give me an example of a topic that was defanged in a bad way? Because I'm willing to bet that the things that piss me right off are very different than the one's you are talking about.
    This thread got hacked up pretty badly. But that probably wouldn't bother you, like you said. Perogative is a strange thing sometimes.
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    Thorn ruled

    you fuckers chased away the most interesting person on SW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    This thread got hacked up pretty badly. But that probably wouldn't bother you, like you said. Perogative is a strange thing sometimes.
    Yes, you're right. That didn't bother me, but moreover I cannot take it seriously as an example of an interesting, thought-provoking thread that was moderated to death or shouted down. I mean, come on. That was a troll. And we all have trouble staying away from the trolls. We all have to get in our smart ass comments, and, as funny as those comments are, and as amusing as the responses are, I can't take seriously as a legitimate conversation being cut off.

    On the pink side what pisses me off is this absolute assumption that all criticism from the "outside" world comes from jealousy, and the opinion of fat people or ugly people is invalid. I usually post something to that effect whenever it comes up, and I am not shouted down or moderated for going against the general grain (just largely ignored, which IS everyone's perogative - although, I must say, I think it is a very bad decision. Hee).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    This is also why we don't like guys responding to vent threads. How does it help either party when a stripper asks "How do I get handsy customers to back off?" and a customer posts, "You're a prude and shouldn't be a stripper. It's my right to grab your shit." It's better to have the stripper get actual advice she can apply for her situation and for the customer to boast of his exploits/seek advice amongst those willing to give it.
    The majority of these vent threads received male responses because they where posted in the customer conversation thread.
    You also have a Ladies only thread where you can vent freely without male intervention.
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    The thread in question was in need of moderation. The mods came in and swept and dusted. Then the owners came in and mopped and Lysol'd. I'm suspecting a year from now, it will still an example of "gutted threads."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muyaha
    ^ It's two double chesseburgers, large fries, a ice cream sundae, and a extra large diet coke.

    Yes the pink side seems to be going through a lack of conversation or have all the dancers become prude. Prude being someone that who pays a great deal of attention to proper social behavior in a dissaproving manner. The conversations that have been going on there is even tamer than discussions on Oprah.

    The reason is quite simple. We're being moderated to DEATH. I hardly say anything like I used to, skip over or just read and close alot of threads because I'll just get edited or deleted. Alot of what I do say STILL gets deleted. I've been getting so irritated lately I'm considering leaving. And I ain't the only one. Seems to me the "official" definition of "supportive" and "positive" atmosphere has gotten MIGHTY narrow

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    As a recent example of a perfectly legit thread being unnecessarily hacked and killed:


    First posts in these were originally all done as one post, and subsequent replies were relevant to all or part of original. The ORIGINAL post was split in half to form 2 separate threads and sent to 2 separate forums. The discussion then died. It wasn't a particularly entertaining thread, but it's a good example nonetheless.

    Another was just cut in half. Who the hell knows why. The posts were all under the posted title "rude customers", but someone saw fit to split them into 2 threads.



    And don't even get me started on the perfectly harmless stuff that gets deleted!

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    I haven't paid much attention to sections other than CC, PP, and Lounge. I made a brief foray into a couple other sections a couple days ago but didn't look much. So I guess I might be out of touch with what's going on outside my sections of choice.

    Let us know if you'd like to have a discussion generated in the mod section. Except for the thread we've talked about in CC, I have pretty much no idea of the level of moderation you're talking about.

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    Well, I posted about it in Site issues, and PMed Pryce after. I'm assuming Pryce is busy. I had also asked in the one thread what was going on when I clicked on it and found most the posts suddenly gone. The mod who hacked the first thread/s I ref'd above saw, informed why, then deleted my questions and her response. My post in site issues got a couple assenting responses from members, and that's it.

    I'm assuming, judging from previous discussions on the same issue and the current lack of response, that Pryce likes it this way. I was going to start paying for Platinum membership but NOT for this kind of overcensoring. I was one of the biggest proponents of moderation and electing new mods, but this current situation is more than a little irritating. So much I'm considering leaving altogether. (not that that's any kind of threat )

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    Pryce is indeed busy. I'll talk to FBR about bringing it up in the mod section and referring the discussion to this thread. However, we wouldn't be doing that this morning, unless FBR is up to it.

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    I definitely agree about that thread in Club Chat -- I don't understand why they felt the need to carve up that thread.

    Generally, most of what I do is move threads or delete duplicate posts and threads; I can't remember the last time I deleted posts. But my area is relatively smooth and quiet to begin with.

    Hmm. I didn't realize so many thought the site was overmoderated . . . I am going back to your thread in Site Issues to post some thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Ev, I know it was steeped in sarcasm,
    Crap, he's reading me like an open book.

    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    but your comment made me wonder. When dancers ask questions, why do other dancers post (sometimes over several months) everything except the answers? The Pinks need a designated Googler.
    First, I'm not sure I know from your general question what specific set of examples you're referring to, and what's wrong with the answers. Second, without knowing that, all I can say is I don't get that impression myself from the things I'm reading. However, what I'm reading may not be the same categories and threads as what you're reading. (With site technical problems lately, I wouldn't be surprised if anyone has been able to read as comprehensively as they normally would.)

    Nevertheless, I suspect the larger issue behind this debate stems from a disagreement about what the focus of the site should be. When I hit an Internet forum for the first time, I try to get a feel for the particular community consensus, and the corresponding level of dissension allowed. I guess this is an incredibly big issue of mine. I think, to be successful, a forum is always going to take a certain - for lack of a better term - editorial direction. More so with a moderated forum than an unmoderated one, but even participants in unmoderated forums sometimes regulate themselves. When they don't, they're as useful as a dysfunctional family. (Unless it's meant to be a flame forum where the objective is dysfunction.)

    The blue site has its own direction, and the pink has its, and never shall the twain meet. Even within the pink site, some topic categories are looser than others. I don't have a problem with the objectives being different; I think it's healthy. It's a menu from which you get to choose what you participate in. I don't whine about stuff that bores me; I just skim or skip it. In other words, my control over it is that I filter it according to my interests. (Confucious say: This is the way of the Internet.)

    I didn't witness the thread chopping as it occurred; it's kinda hard to discern what's been changed when you didn't see the original, so I don't want to sound dismissive of specific complaints. But I'm amazed over the amount of bitching that arises anywhere from what I see as a failure to embrace this general concept. Here's a parallel: You've got the Fox News Channel and you've got CNN. To me, it would be odd to argue Larry King should be provided time on Fox and O'Reilly needs a slot on CNN. Yet you have folks on either side whining about the other being unbalanced. I'm no Fox fan, nor that fond of CNN either, but I don't believe either needs to move to the center. Let each channel aim for what the core of its constituents wants it to be.

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    You realize I just argued myself right out of any future complaining about the general direction of SCJ, don't you? Nice tripping me up there, Sporty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    i'm sure some people found him to be an overbearing, pretentious, pompass jackass with an over-inflated ego the size of the grand canyon, but if that's a crime. jenny and evan should have been banned ages ago and kat should be burned in effigy.
    Damn straight I am, although I prefer the term uberbitch for a female. You dance that dance quite expertly yourself, my dear.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    but at what cost? i don't think thorn was either of those things. at least, not down here. sheesh, it must have been a battalion of biatches PMing pryce 24/7 in order for him to get a sitewide ignore while he's posting on SCJ.
    So democracy's dead, is it? My utter speculation is that Pryce didn't need much prompting. Ya know, I've had posts deleted, but I've never gotten an administrator's directive that I subsequently ignored, nor have I created a second account to complain after I was reprimanded. No, my only ruse is some ginormous stripper style shit which one day may lead to a sitewide whipping.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    generally speaking, banning someone for being uncivil is one thing, but banning someone for being "unproductive" is quite another. if a poster is banned because his/her "unproductivity" upsets the harmony, values or consensus building of the community. fine. however, it comes with a price, so, you'll get your conformity and consensus because you just undercut individuality by forcing people to bend to the will of the group. however, you won't get much real harmony, but more of an artificial kind. unless, your idea of real harmony is a group of people too weak or frightened to engage in the opinionated exchange of ideas.
    Well, here's where we have a fundamental disagreement. I refer you to my previous post. You guys just haven't been supertrolled enough over hyere to influence your perspective. Lord knows Jenny and I have tried but we're just not enough of an insurgency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    You guys just haven't been supertrolled enough over hyere to influence your perspective. Lord knows Jenny and I have tried but we're just not enough of an insurgency.
    Ev, I don't believe you and Jenny were here for the Mike/Harvard/Sixfigures era of SCJ. I'd dig you up some links, but in an effort to conserve bandwidth our search function is out of commission for the time being.

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    I only read and post in Customer Conversation on the Pink side and, of course, pretty much all the sections of SCJ. I really can't offer a justifiable, informed opinion on what goes on elsewhere but obviously several of you believe that over-moderation is a problem and is impacting the effectiveness of the site.

    It occured to me that perhaps this thread would make more of a statement if it were moved to Site Issues. Scrolling down the Blue Site thread list, there was pretty open discussion in "How's the Moderation on this board?" thread but it seems to me that you are now bringing up issues beyond SCJ. And certainly beyond anything Jay and I have control of. Each of the mods handles his/her section as he/she sees fit.

    I know you generally dislike threads being move from pink to blue or vice versa (I did it once and am still hearing about it). As an alternative, a member could start a new thread in Site Issues if you prefer not to have these comments bleed over.

    Hell, maybe we're just venting while drinking a few brewskis . I think not but I do enjoy my Bud Lites.

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    Well, mark this day on your calendars because I'm quoting and agreeing with mr_punk! haha

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    so, you'll get your conformity and consensus because you just undercut individuality by forcing people to bend to the will of the group. however, you won't get much real harmony, but more of an artificial kind. unless, your idea of real harmony is a group of people too weak or frightened to engage in the opinionated exchange of ideas.
    I have to agree with this. There's a mighty lot of artificial harmony in public on the pink site, and alot of DISharmony in private. Seems to me alot of ill will is breeding under the surface. Which IMO wasn't so prevalent say, a year ago. One might say it's because the membership has changed since last year, but this ill will I'm talking about is with OLD members, not new ones. To the best of my knowledge.

    In the previous discussion about this very topic months ago, I was getting alot of "you go" type messages in private but hardly anyone would open their damn mouths in public. So the only thing that was really accomplished is certain mods got their feathers ruffled that some of us might dare to challenge their decisions. Others seemed slightly surprised that anyone had issue at all, and very graciously asked for specific pointers / suggestions from the rest of us. I reckon they didn't get much response there. Discussion eventually died with little or no resolution.

    I think most mods do a damn good job most of the time. But there are plenty of instances where people feel like we're not even allowed to have our conversations evolve the way normal conversations do anymore. God forbid we post something that sounds too "conversational" or even slightly off topic in certain forums But then we can have all the "you go girl" and "you're soooo hot" we want. ugh.

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    When you lead a nontraditional life don't try to measure it with traditional milestones.

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