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    So the report was released and guess what, it backs the conclusion that she was in a PVS. Oh, it also came out that she was likely blind, so much for responding to visual stimuli.

    Here is a link to the report:

    Yahoo link

    So can Michael Schiavo be expecting a few apologies?

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    Her brain was half the size of a normal one; many basic functions were permanently inactive.
    Also she died of thirst, not starvation, and feeding her by mouth would not have saved.
    Further, they could not determine what caused her the heart attack and found no evidence of abuse prior to the condition that led to her PVS.
    So the reports state.
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    Damn those 'activist coroners' it's all part of a liberal conspiracy!

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    Why did she collapse in the first place ?

    Wasn't it proven once and for all that she did not have bulimia ?

    I have just caught bits and pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergent D
    Damn those 'activist coroners' it's all part of a liberal conspiracy!
    LOL!!!

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    It soooo gets on my nerves the way so many people try to put their uninformed judgmental noses where they don't belong. This case was a perfect example. Leave the poor guy alone already! And that goes for the girl's parents as well. He was her husband and the one with the legal rights, and they clearly needed to butt out!

    Of course the autopsy results back the notion she was in a PVS. Ferchrissakes, she'd been in the same condition for how many years???

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    Quote Originally Posted by SthnrnGrl77
    Why did she collapse in the first place ?

    Wasn't it proven once and for all that she did not have bulimia ?

    I have just caught bits and pieces.
    It was NOT proven why she collapsed to begin with.

    They do not believe that she had an eating disorder...at least there are no signs of it in her body.

    I just have one question, though...if her body was so "debilitated" how can they prove what did or did not happen so many years ago?

    THAT would be a discovery episode I would watch...the autopsy of Teri Schiavo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    It was NOT proven why she collapsed to begin with.

    They do not believe that she had an eating disorder...at least there are no signs of it in her body.

    I just have one question, though...if her body was so "debilitated" how can they prove what did or did not happen so many years ago?

    THAT would be a discovery episode I would watch...the autopsy of Teri Schiavo.
    I would think "Alien Autopsy" would be more fun.

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    I notice a certain lack of postings by those who were demonizing Mr Schiavo.

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    Schiavo will get very FEW apologies. In a lot of eyes, he is STILL and will always be guilty. He's guilty of *legally* killing his wife, instead of just moving the fuck on with the other woman that he has been with for years. The autopsy wasn't able to find what put her in the position she was in. Eating disorder (Bulimia) was ruled out after they found NO evidence of it.

    And now she was blind? Hmm.. Right.

    Another interesting tidbit is that they found NO traces of Morphine in Terri's system. This is rather odd because she had been given 2 doses of the stuff prior to her death.

    I don't think it's credible anyway because the Medical Examiner was selected by Michael Schiavo and Felos. Didn't know people could actually "pick" who they wanted to examine their loved ones.

    The whole thing is fucked up. As for Michael, he'll get his. I feel REALLY bad for his fiance', mother of his 2 children. Damn, can you imagine if he'd do the same if she, or one of their children got sick? He'd be the first one in line pulling the plug. Sicko.

    Nothing and no one will change my opinion of him. He'll always be guilty to me, of something. If not for actually causing her illness, then he's guilty of abandoning his wife and then killing her with the backing of the legal system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    Schiavo will get very FEW apologies. In a lot of eyes, he is STILL and will always be guilty. He's guilty of *legally* killing his wife, instead of just moving the fuck on with the other woman that he has been with for years. The autopsy wasn't able to find what put her in the position she was in. Eating disorder (Bulimia) was ruled out after they found NO evidence of it.

    And now she was blind? Hmm.. Right.

    Another interesting tidbit is that they found NO traces of Morphine in Terri's system. This is rather odd because she had been given 2 doses of the stuff prior to her death.

    I don't think it's credible anyway because the Medical Examiner was selected by Michael Schiavo and Felos. Didn't know people could actually "pick" who they wanted to examine their loved ones.

    The whole thing is fucked up. As for Michael, he'll get his. I feel REALLY bad for his fiance', mother of his 2 children. Damn, can you imagine if he'd do the same if she, or one of their children got sick? He'd be the first one in line pulling the plug. Sicko.

    Nothing and no one will change my opinion of him. He'll always be guilty to me, of something. If not for actually causing her illness, then he's guilty of abandoning his wife and then killing her with the backing of the legal system.
    I could say something about Michael Jackson here... but um... I won't ... or um - I guess I did....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    And now she was blind? Hmm.. Right.

    She had to have been blind. The optical centers in her brain were too badlt decayed. Not one medical professional i've seen disputes it. It's not just the docs who examined her, it's everyone else that looked at the scans and pics of her brain too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    She had to have been blind. The optical centers in her brain were too badlt decayed. Not one medical professional i've seen disputes it. It's not just the docs who examined her, it's everyone else that looked at the scans and pics of her brain too.
    Now, now; we can't let facts get in the way of good conspiracy theories and sensationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergent D
    Now, now; we can't let facts get in the way of good conspiracy theories and sensationalism.
    Or man hatred. (Don't believe me - take a quick look at who posts what on this issue.) This is divided right down the gender line.

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    Hey, even Sen. Frist accepted the report.
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    ya and then he backpedaled like I've never seen before. All this crap about how he never 'diagnosed' her. His own words at the time speak otherwise.

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    After Terri Schiavo was finally allowed to rest in peace on March 31, we hoped she would also have been granted in death what she surely would have wanted - an end to the bitterness that divided her family and made her private suffering a public spectacle. For the American people, the episode was a terrible lesson in what government should and should not do, in what is properly within the scope of our political leaders and what is not.

    And so it was heartbreaking yesterday to see Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida thrust himself back into this tragedy just two days after the results of Ms. Schiavo's autopsy showed that her condition had been beyond hope and beyond therapy, that she most likely had been in a persistent vegetative state and that her relatives' allegations that she had been abused by her husband were false.



    We are entitled to our moral, ethical and philosophical commitments. We are not entitled to our own facts.

    So why is this basic rule of argument often ignored by politicians whose certainty about their righteousness convinces them that they can say absolutely anything to further their causes?


    The autopsy in the Terri Schiavo case provides a rare moment of political accountability. We should not "move on," as Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist suggested. No, we cannot move on until those politicians who felt entitled to make up facts and toss around unwarranted conclusions about Schiavo's condition take responsibility for what they said -- and apologize.

    Nothing in the autopsy report prevents those who opposed removing Schiavo's feeding tube from continuing to insist they were right.
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    Hopefully people will vote the buggers out of office.

    Uh wha huh what?

    Boy - that was quite the dream I woke up from.

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    Hmmm - an interesting opinion I picked up off the internet. This is not my writing, but I won't attribute it cuz I doubt the author would like to see his name on a stripper site! But here it goes:

    O.K. Suppose that you had made it clear to your wife that you didn't
    want to be kept on life support, including a feeding tube. My wife
    knows my feelings much better than my mother. It was never something I
    felt I needed to discuss with my mother.

    You are brain dead. Your wife wouldn't believe it at first, and spent
    years, and a lot of her own money to try to help you. Finally, after
    years of trying, she made the very difficult decision to remove your
    feeding tube.

    Now your mother comes along, makes movies of you, incapacitated, blind,
    drooling, wearing a diaper; very much a freak show; and puts them on the
    internet to raise money.

    Your mother slanders your wife, for no reason at all. Accuses her of
    trying to kill you. Takes you to court. Lies about all of the work
    your wife did for years after you were incapacitated, hires a doctor who
    lies about his qualifications and your ability to 'improve'. She
    recruits thousands of people with her lies to condemn your wife, the
    work she did, the months she spent trying to help you, the training she
    took to learn nursing so that she could better care for you.

    Who is the monster here?

    The other monsters are the thousands of people, including you, who
    eagerly listened to the parent's lies and decided, against all evidence,
    that the husband was the monster and not the mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergent D
    I notice a certain lack of postings by those who were demonizing Mr Schiavo.
    Wont get one from me. He's an ass. He moved on with his life many years ago. This was a man who married her....That is a woman who gave birth to her...Not the same, never will be. He could have just let her go to the family....Hey they where willing. I watched him in the news.....Nuff said about him.

    OH and how can i forget the video of her EYES following the ballon/s across the front of her face. The voices stayed in the same spot, the ballons moved, she followed them. It's all a buch of shit, this country is fucked up. She was blind.....OH OK.....

    Pamela

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    I am always baffled at the people who appear to think they know more than the all the actual doctors who examined the poor woman.


    Great post by Deogol above too. The original author was 100% on target.

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    As one who supported the Schindlers (not the conservative "pro-life" machine) I completely understand why they fought so hard for what they believed Terri wanted. I saw the same videos as everyone else and I was convinced she was somewhat alert. Michael Schiavo has a lot of 'splaining to do before he receives any kind of apology. From the Schindler's website (snips and bold emphasis mine):

    Quote Originally Posted by Schindler Family Statement on Medical Examiner's Report

    *snip*
    First, the IME’s report confirms Terri’s physical condition and disability. We all knew Terri was seriously brain-injured before the IME report. This is nothing new. The IME’s report also confirms that TERRI WAS NOT TERMINAL. THAT TERRI HAD NO LIVING WILL, THAT TERRI HAD A STRONG HEART, and THAT TERRI WAS BRUTALLY DEHYDRATED TO DEATH.

    Second, our family would encourage the media to remember that this case was allegedly about “Terri’s choice.There is absolutely no evidence that Terri wanted to die of dehydration, or that she believed that that the level of one’s disability gives anyone the moral and legal right to end another’s life.

    Third, the IME said clearly that dehydration, not her brain injury, was the cause of her death. *snip*

    ...In our opinion, some of the significant items from the IME’s report are as follows:

    *snip*
    * Terri was not terminal. The IME said with proper care Terri would have lived at least another 10 years even in her disabled condition. Terri’s case was NOT an end-of-life case. Terri’s case was about ending a disabled person’s life.

    * Terri was brain-injured. This does NOT mean that she was brain-dead. Many seem to not understand this absolutely critical distinction.

    * The IME essentially ruled out bulimia and heart attack as causes for Terri’s condition. In one sense the IME’s report created as many questions as it may have answered. The major question for our family that now remains is what happened? A troubling 70-minute gap appears in the timeline on the day Terri collapsed in 1990:
    * According to Michael Schiavo, Terri collapsed at 4:30 AM. Mr. Schiavo said this on Larry King Live and he also re-confirmed it to the IME during his investigation.
    * 911 was called at 5:40 AM. Emergency services arrived at 5:52 AM.
    * Both Bobby Schindler Jr. and the original police report gave similar descriptions as to Terri’s state – laying face first, on the floor, hands crossed and up high against her chest, making gurgling noises.
    * Our family doesn’t understand what led to Terri’s collapse. Our family doesn’t understand why this major discrepancy in time is not fully understood. When a person is without blood and oxygen to their brain, 70 minutes is a terribly long time when each second counts.
    * With the IME effectively ruling out bulimia, the underlying basis of the malpractice case appears to now be disproved. Our family would encourage Michael Schiavo to do the right thing and return the funds that were paid by the innocent doctors who were sued for Terri’s collapse. In addition to returning the funds to the doctors who were sued, we would also ask Michael to bring closure to Terri’s death for our family by allowing us to give her a proper Christian burial as required by our faith. To this day, we have no idea where Terri’s ashes are. That is particularly hard on our mother.

    * The IME’s report stated that Terri’s inability to swallow was the result of muscle atrophy. Terry was denied therapy for 12 years, and muscles atrophy when they are not used. We will never know if therapy would have helped.

    * The IME clearly stated that PVS is a clinical diagnosis made on a living patient. That is something an IME cannot do by looking at a corpse.

    * Dr. William Cheshire, a neurologist from the Mayo Clinic, agreed with our family’s perception that Terri was awake, aware, and at least minimally cognitive.

    * We knew that Terri was visually impaired, but we did not know to what extent. Our attorneys and other witnesses clearly saw Terri recognize her mother and father and treat them differently. According to the IME’s report, it appears that after her severe dehydration, Terri was blind at the moment of her death.

    *snip*
    You can find the full statement here

    I don't understand why people are so hateful towards the Schindlers. This was their daughter/sister and they tried for 12 years to help her while Michael (and the settlement moolah)moved on with his life. Yes, I think it turned out to be a political circus and I'm glad those that participated are quietly eating crow, but to accuse the family of being shysters, etc.. is just wrong. I don't even want to try to imagine what the family is feeling like right now.


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    Florida's state attorney said there was no evidence Terri Schiavo's collapse 15 years ago involved criminal activity, and Gov. Jeb Bush on Thursday declared an end to the state's inquiry.

    Bush had asked State Attorney Bernie McCabe to investigate Schiavo's case after her autopsy last month. He said he now considers the state's involvement with the matter finished.

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    Finally.

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