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    Good (Early) Morning Ladies,

    ::Sighs deeply:: I..am NOT a hustler. I seem to be one of the only women at my club who can not sell consecutive dances. After reading so many post about 1000 dollars nights, and women who consitently make 400-700 dollars a night, I cant help but to wonder why I usually on average 200 dollars. I want to make MORE money and still be able to wake in the morning and be able to look at myself in the mirror. I know it is possible it has to be...
    Anywho I am trying to create my on How to be a hustler plan of action. I have signed myself up to work every night this following week. I also intend to be at work before we open to put any last minute touches I may need for make-up and hair. I am going to really work on the pole because it something that isnt really done at all at me club. Plus, I feel I have become a little stagnant on stage.
    I have so many questions that I need to ask, and since there is no longer a search assistant available, I guess I will have to ask them here to get my plan rolling...
    I have a huge problem making a move on customers. What do I do when customers sit down at the bar, but not next to me? I dont want to yell across the bar, and dont want to make them feel uncomfortable?
    Also, when your at a table how long do you genarally wait before you offer a dance, and how can I sell a couch dance instead of a table dance? I always seem to get that yes, we can do a dance right here?
    How do ask for an additional dance?
    ***This is my biggest problem*** I always seem to be sitting a the table and we will be having a great conversation, I will ask for a dance, the will say no or not right now. What do I say when that happens and how long do I wait to excuse myself so that I am not being rude? This happens alot.
    Ladies please help me. I want to feel of value to the club and I want to be oing very well of myself. Like I stated before I am not ashamed to say that ceiling harly ever exceed 200 dollars, while others are making more (some clean and some not but to each its own), I think I could at least add another 200 dollars to my income. I mean I understand slow nights but when the week ends I want to be like "I busted my ass and I got what i deserved."
    I will be reading all through the Hustle Hut, but if there are particular post or advice that you may like to offer please volunteer it. Thanks.
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    I may not be the best person to give you advice, because I average $300 for 4 hours. (a far cry from the thousand you are going for). But a couple of things
    A) Excuse yourself immediately. You are not a bad person because of this. You don't want these guys to think you actually "like" them (I've put in quotes because you may or may not like them, it's just not the point). You want them to make the connection between spending money and your (or for that matter, someone else's) company. There is no point in giving them the idea that they can have you for free, and at that point you are just taking up time that another girl could be hustling them. Like don't be rude about it (like don't "Fine then" and flounce off) but don't be too nice either. He did just reject you. You don't have to thank him for it. Do not spend time with customers you know aren't going to spend money.
    B) Try to make the time you spend proportional to the financial worth of the customer. Don't spend an hour chatting up a customer for one dance. Sometimes this just happens - like you think, or he tells you that he will be worth more then just isn't. Just so you know, if he deliberately gives you the impression he will make your night and then buys one dance, that IS deceiving you, and it's not illegal, but it is really unethical. He doesn't deserve anymore of your time or courtesy (I once had a regular customer who was fine - he spent about $80 three times a week. That's great, but he'd want me to sit there ALL FRIGGING NIGHT for the $80. Then, I'm like "Dude, thanks and all, but I can't pay my bills with $80." Then he'd get offended and find some girl who WOULD sit there all night for $80. That's another related thing. You will lose some bad customers, because there will always be other girls willing to put up with it for little money. Don't worry about it, they are not wortjh your time"
    C) In terms of how long to sit before asking, that is hard to say. Depends on the town and the club, and you. In one club I worked where the girls routinely sat and chatted up the customers for HOURS before making their move (if ever - back to the idea of customers with entitlement issues. These guys had NO IDEA that we were working there) I found that I did just as well doing the "Wanna dance? Wanna dance?" as chatting them up for 20 minutes at the end of the day, and I didn't have to spend nearly so much time talking to guys. (Wanna dance? doesn't take long at all). In the end I found a seat on the path back from the bathroom, so I didn't have to get up. I would wait for them to walk by me, stick out a leg to pause them and say "Are you ready for a dance yet?" A lot said no, but some said yes, and I wound up with the same money at the end of the day.
    D)When customers sit at the bar, feel free to move next to them. These guys know where they are. They expect it (or should).
    E)Asking for another dance. I simply try to end on a high note and then I lean back (if I'm sitting on his lap) and just ask. Something like "Should I keep going?" will suffice.
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    If you want to sell a couch instead of a table dance, just don't do the table dances. Period.

    You have to ask. Remember that. It is what you are there for, to ask for dances. That is your job.

    I am so amazed that girls feel like they are being rude when they get up and leave when a customer declines a dance--come on, he said no to your offer to entertain him, does he want you to stick around? No! Or worse, he wants you to stick around for free, like Jenny said.

    Just ask. It's fine to chat guys up for a song or two, but then you gotta ask. Song ends, ask for more. It's easier to sell more dances to a guy already on the couch than it is to go grab another fresh prospect.

    When you're sitting at the bar and a customer sits down, let him get his drink, the look over and smile at him. When he makes eye contact, say hi, then go introduce yourself. Oh, my god, I can't believe I'm explaining all this stuff--I guess it seems simple after a while. Or maybe a lot of girls are used to being pursued by men in real life. Think of it this way--you are hitting on these guys. Do what you do when you're out at a club and you see someone you want to talk to, or do what guys do to you at the club--smile, say hey, make chitchat.

    This will take you a while to get used to, but the positive reinforcement you'll get from making more money will make these habits second nature after a while.

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    Default Re: Non-Hustler Anonymous

    Thanks so much for the responses. I really apprieciate. BTW, Jenny I apologize for my post not being very clear, I am not looking to make a 1000 dollars every night.... I am just looking to push my ceiling past 200 nightly. I would like to have more money to place into my savings account.
    I also found that the thread below to be a huge help. I will be reporting back with updates to at least let you know that I have started asking for dances. Again thank you.
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...0&page=1&pp=15
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    >>What do I do when customers sit down at the bar, but not next to me? I dont want to
    >>yell across the bar, and dont want to make them feel uncomfortable?

    "Hi, I'm ___."
    Then they say their name, you shake hands and..
    "You don't mind if I sit down, do you?"

    >>Also, when your at a table how long do you genarally wait before you offer a dance, and
    >>how can I sell a couch dance instead of a table dance?

    About the time that I get tired of their conversation and see other opportunities. 2-15 minutes. If they ask for a table dance say, "of course we can do a table dance if you want, but I'd much rather go back there and dance in your lap"

    >>How do ask for an additional dance?

    "You want another one, right?"
    "I don't want to stop yet... let's do another one"
    "Ooooh, this is my favorite song!"



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    The second that the next song begins, whisper in their ear, "shall we continue", or "let's continue". That works well for me.

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    Go to www.dancerwealth.com and take the teleconference version of the next Dancer Wealth seminar. It is an inexpensive 6-7 hour class that will teach you everything to say and do in the club to sell better.

    It is not the customers job to confront you, it is YOUR job to confront the customer. If several guys or one guy sit down at the bar, but not next to you, after they have ordered a drink and had a few sips it is YOUR JOB to go over to them, make idle conversation and ask for the dances. When you walk on a car lot or in a designer boutique, do you have to chase the salesperson down or do they confront you?

    Keep in mind that every day/night in a club does not generate big money for anyone. Many girls exaggerate their earnings in this business. If you take the class and follow to the letter everything taught, your income WILL increase.

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    This is a prime example of why clubs should have some dancer training. Girls don't automatically know this stuff; most are young, inexperienced and not used to being the aggressor with men; even with the internet being so prevalent, it can't possibly reach most girls; it's hard to find experienced girls willing/able to take the time to help a newbie out in most cases.

    Anyway. Off the

    I have a huge problem making a move on customers. What do I do when customers sit down at the bar, but not next to me? I dont want to yell across the bar, and dont want to make them feel uncomfortable?
    Understand that every guy who walks in the door of a strip club wants attention from a stripper. No matter where he sits, or how he acts, he wants somebody to notice and approach him. Make eye contact, smile. If he doesn't give a go-away or other obvious leave-me-alone look, move over and say hi. Pretend you think he's really cute and want to talk to him. Be flirty and friendly. "Hi, how are ya?" always works well to start off as you're sitting down - followed by "it's ok if I join you isn't it?"

    Also, when your at a table how long do you genarally wait before you offer a dance, and how can I sell a couch dance instead of a table dance? I always seem to get that yes, we can do a dance right here?
    When you're talking to someone, make a habit if keeping up with each song that ends. By the end of the 2nd or 3rd song, you should be asking for a dance. "Hey can I take you back for a hot couch dance now?" works well. If you're wanting to skip the table dance, make sure you offer the couch dance in the initial question. Don't offer just to dance for them, offer a couch dance.

    If they ask for a table dance instead, tell them you're much more comfortable on the couch and it's a much better deal for them. I'm assuming that, like in most clubs, a couch dance allows more contact than a table dance - so tell them that. Most guys aren't interested in spending their money on less contact if they know they can spend just a little more and get more contact. Tell them you can touch them more on the couch!

    How do ask for an additional dance?
    This is so important. It's always easier to resell to someone who's already bought than to coldsell someone else. Pay attention to the guy and what he seems to like best. Do more of that during your dances, ESPECIALLY when you know the song is about to end. Start a little slow and make your dances progressively better as time/songs go on. Don't just jump right in and give your best dance in the first 30 seconds - draw it out a little. Guys love a good build just like girls.

    When the song is coming to an end, turn up the heat a bit, get into a move you've seen him enjoy, lean into his ear and ask "We can do another?" This wording is much more effective than "want another?" - sounds more like you want to continue and you're telling rather than asking. Might be slightly awkward but once you get used to it, it's second nature. I say this all the time, it's more like you're TELLING rather than ASKING and it's always easier for the guy to just agree rather than decide. And even practice slightly nodding your head yes while you're asking. It's almost like a subliminal message....yes you want another dance.....yes you want another dance....

    ***This is my biggest problem*** I always seem to be sitting a the table and we will be having a great conversation, I will ask for a dance, the will say no or not right now. What do I say when that happens and how long do I wait to excuse myself so that I am not being rude?
    As soon as they say no or not now: keep smiling, tell them you've "got to get back to work" and make your exit. I like to throw in a "have fun" or "maybe I'll check back with ya later" as I'm leaving. A guy who's turned you down doesn't want you to hang around, or wants you to hang around for free. In either case, you won't be rude to leave asap. It's what they expect. Once in a while you might run into one who acts put off because you're leaving, but that's HIS problem, not yours - that kind is there to fuck with you, and you don't need to waste your time and energy on that. Immediately start looking for another target and move on.



    Extra tips. Don't ever spend too much time sitting at the bar, standing around or sitting in the dressing room. Keep moving. Learning to work the room effectively can help you immensely. When you first come out, slowly make your way through the room, surveying the crowd, noticing who's checking you out, making eye contact, smiling, etc. Work that walk! Move from one side of the room to the other, perhaps on your way to the bar to get a water or whatever, making note of who looks like a good target along the way. Try to pick out 3 potential targets on your way across, get your drink, then make your way to the one you think looks easiest or who's most obviously checking you out. Approach him first. If you strike out, move on to the next.

    While you're at a table, casually keep your eye out for other potential targets. If you can always keep another target in mind, you've always got somewhere else to go when you're done with the current table. Keeping yourself moving helps keep you in custies' minds.

    When you get a sale, on your way to the couch room with your custy, hold his hand/arm or play with his butt or something on the walk back. At the same time, survey the room and smile/wink at anyone looking - this helps generate future business. Guys always like the popular girl, and you can capitalize on that more by flirting a little on the sly when they see you busy. (Also if you're with one guy and winking at another, it kinda sends a message to the other guy that maybe you'd rather be with him and he'll be more likely to wait for you to finish with the first guy.)

    Good luck girl. It's alot to learn but you can do it! As you practice and start to see your money increase you'll gain more confidence and that helps you earn even more.

    Keep us posted and come back if you have more questions.

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    You have to get yourself accustomed to hearing the word "no". All of the other advice is fabulous, but if you still aren't asking, you've gotten no where. When I have lost momentum in my shift, I will play a little game with myself I like to call "reject". I have mentioned it before here, and it really does work for me. the object is to get as many guys to turn you down for dances as you can. Shoot for as many rejections in a row before you get a dance. When I first started playing this game with myself, I got up to 27 no's before I got a dance, now it is no more then 2-3 before I get a dance.

    This just gets you used to hearing the word no. It also is your signal to leave after the customer says no. Sometimes they will say "maybe later". I take that at face value, and make a mental note to check back with them. I will say something like "I'll try to get back around if I'm not too busy later". This leaves the unspoken hint that you are very busy, and he should take advantage of the fact that you are there now and asking now. This is very sweet when the customer trys to get you to dance for him while you are on your way to VIP with someone else, then you get to say "maybe later" to him

    But just concentrate on hearing "no" for right now. Be fast, don't think too much about it, and just ask. Everytime you hear "no" just move on to the next customer. Even if you are doing the "wanna dance" routine, it is better then wasting your time and not making any money. Good luck to you and I hope you have found this helpful!

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    I can offer you suggestions on what to do...
    MAKE EYE CONTACT!!!!!! be happy even if your not i a great mood...have a good attitude.
    when you as the guy for a dance(tilt you head slightly downwards just a tiny bit and look up at the guy............smile ALOT and be sweet ,sexy and flirtly)
    you don't have to talk alot...just a few basic things,name ,where from, are you having a good time tonight? etc..then say are you ready for a sexy sensual lap dance?? batt your eye lashes ....lol
    maybe touch his knee with your hand lightly as you ask him.(SMILE n make eye contact)
    if he says yes,then cool...if no ,just talk for a minute and say well if you change your mind i will be here and i would love to dance for you ,have a good time,bye...then leave.



    to get more dances after you do 1 or 2 as your still dancing finishing up with dance number 2....just simply ask him if he wants you to keep dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    You have to get yourself accustomed to hearing the word "no". All of the other advice is fabulous, but if you still aren't asking, you've gotten no where. When I have lost momentum in my shift, I will play a little game with myself I like to call "reject". I have mentioned it before here, and it really does work for me. the object is to get as many guys to turn you down for dances as you can. Shoot for as many rejections in a row before you get a dance. When I first started playing this game with myself, I got up to 27 no's before I got a dance, now it is no more then 2-3 before I get a dance.
    Holy crap this is a great idea! Make it a game where you feel BETTER getting rejected and then it totally makes it a much better night. I'm totally doing this now! I bet I can get more dances playing reject. :3

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    i always ask for the couch dance i never ask for a table dance...the club i work at most/if not all just go for the couch dances. or the champaign vip room

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    ***Update*** I have been very accoustomed to hearing the word no as of late. I have have had consitent nites for the most part. I am very proud of that.
    Unfortently, I still have to compete with 11-14 extras girls (which is really bad when run 18-22 girls nightly.) Thankfully, our management has been going out of it's way to stop that from happening, so thing are getting better in that department. Again, I appreiciate all the advice that was given.
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    ***Update*** Still working on it... I have seen the champange room more often in recent times (twice since my last post). Also management and the bouncers have done an outstanding job at cleaning up the floor especially. Girls were selling couch dances right on the floor! Anywho, I am going to set a goal for myself tonight, and do my best to acheive it. I will report back tonight and let everyone know how my "Journey to Becoming a Hustler" went. Off to get ready for work.
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    Nice to hear you are doing better at becoming a hustler. I have always seen dancing and selling as a game. Kind of like a chess match. My wits and sensuallity against the guys. I win the majority of the time.

    You have to get comfortable with approaching customers. Bottom line. I have gone so far as to look at guys who come into my club and tell them to sit next to me. Strangely alot of them will pick up their drink and come join me. Or I sit by the door and pat the barstool or seat next to me inviting them to sit. My club at time overbooks girls (25-30 girls pernight even early in the week when 5 customers may be in the club an hour). I have to resort to crafty ways of gaining attention.

    Also on the subject of selling multiple dances, I will always ask for another dance while I'm doing a crazy move so the guy will want to say yes. Or before we even start doing dances I will ask how many is he going to get plus the fact that they get better as he gets more.. I always start off slow and easy and progress into more creative lapdance moves as he gets buys more. Usually I have 4 great moves or techniques that I will do but to get to the jawdropping move as I call it they have to get 4 dances. I hint at that all the time I'll say 'I haven't even got started, you haven't see my best move', works 50% of the time. I actually leared this way of selling from a girl who worked in Florida. She wouldn't even take off her dress for the first song.

    And about extras girls I always tell customers 'why do you want something every guy in this club has had his mouth, hands, dick, fingers in/on? Gross you are better than that do you want some disease to give you wife/girlfriend?' My club has 0 tolerance for that sort of thing but ocassionally a new girl will start and push the boundaries too much.

    Hope I helped.. Good Luck and continued sucess on becoming a hustler.

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    Don't stay with the customer too long. The other club patrons will see you're happy to chat and expect you to spend ages with them too. Or worse, they will think the guy is your boyfriend.The way i excuse myself is to tell the customer that management will kick me up the arse if I don't circulate. Keep moving about to each person. They will realise that you won't hang about for too long Customers watch for awhile to see who is busy ("she must be good") so make sure if your not busy to look like you are! Try walking closley with guys heading in the danceroom direction so that it looks like you are going with them for a dance. Also disappear from time to time. If they can't see you on the floor they will assume you are doing a dance.

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    <<< Im on a roll. I went to the champange room. Did 6 VIP GOLD dances and made decent money on stage. I work my ass off till close. I am tired. Very, very tired. I cant wait to add to my savings account.
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