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    CHELSEA, Mich. — The Chrysler Group will not tie in any marketing of its 2006 Dodge Charger with the upcoming movie, The Dukes of Hazzard, because it is afraid the display of the Confederate flag on the movie's vintage Charger will offend some viewers.


    Does it offend you?

    I hope this does not make me out to be a bad guy but come on it's a car in a tv show. The show never once disrespected anyone. It was a fun show with a kick ass car.
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    The South shall Rev again! Heh heh!

    Oh well. Can you find a pic of a 2006 Charger? I'd like to see it.

    Loved the show. It encouraged my white/brown trash values and my fast driving habits.

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    The General Lee would not be complete without the confederate flag. However what offends me is the general ugliness of current MOPAR autos.

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    Ahhhh...it's only as offensive as walking around with a white hood on
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    Once upon a time flying the confederate flag was an open act of sedition. Now, its a chance for rednecks to feel nostalgic about bygone era when they weren't considered rednecks. And when they could legaly own slaves. I don't feel the need to be overly PC, but I do understand why this flag is considered offensive.

    I am, however, glad that it was kept in the movie. The General Lee would not be the General Lee without it. So what, then, does this say about me and my ability to tolerate a symbol that is legitimately offensive to a large number of people? To me, that Dodge Charger is simply an innocent icon from my innocent youth.

    I think it is a good idea for Chrysler to not want to associate with the flag. But I think we also need to remember its context in the film, a flim that is apparently going to be gloriously stupid.

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    I'll be too busy ogling Jessica Simpson's goodies to care about that flag.


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    The confederate battle flag in the south is more about being a rebel than a slave owner.

    The KKK and that crowd have their own flags and symbols.

    It is like saying the iron cross (which is so popular with the young crowd these days) is associated with nazism.

    But you know, there was a time when the majority of democrats voted against the civil rights bill and the republicans were responsible for eliminating slavery - so things get topsy turvy.

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    There was an interview with the director in Entertainment Weekly where he said basically they left it in because, well, it was in the TV show. End of story. While I don't think it's cool to fly the stars and bars, it is a movie and not real life and sometimes characters in a movie do things that aren't appropriate. It's fiction.

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    Well I'm not going to go watch the movie-- I'm just not interested in it. The little tid-bit about the flag has nothing to do with that decision though.


    But living in Georgia where the flag is displayed regurlarly, I'd definetly say it's a disgusting symbol. My mom is almost 50 and my grand mother is alomst 80...Neither of these women should have to be reminded of a time when dogs were set on them to chase them from stores displaying that symbol, or empty beer bottles were thrown at them from cars with the Confederate flag sticker on them.

    My grandfather watched his father burn to death, set on fire by men wearing Conferate flags and white sheets. My father at 60 years old knew from his childhood, which areas he'd definetly be hurt or harassed in as opposed to those he "might" be hurt or harrased in by the presence of said Confederate flag display.

    Yeah it's just a "symbol"
    Those who display it know it exactly what they mean by it and those who hate it know exactly why they hate it.

    If the movie was about a group of Germans and there happened to be a swastika throughout the movie, would there even be any debate about it?
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    It doesn't necessarily offend me but I do think it's high time the rednecks found something better to do. They'd be better off spending more time refining and educating themselves and less time riding on harleys that display rebel flags because they are "proud" of being rednecks. Yes, I am discriminatory, but I had to grow up in the land of these stupid fucks.

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    In my experience, it would be wrong to assume that every person that has a confederate battle flag bumper sticker on his pickup truck is doing so to offend people, to endorse racism, or to promote bigotry. A few perhaps, but not all.
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    Nina, I'm glad you made an articulate, personal post about the Confederate flag. Thank you for that.
    OK, this is what is meant by the stars and bars in "Dukes": the Dukes are "white trash." It is said that the only reason poor whites supported slavery in the South in antebellum days is that they didn't want to be considered the lowest social class. (Please no one get on me for using the term "white trash.") That flag is the last vestige of poor whites being able to say they were "superior" to blacks. Of course they can't identify with the pain that the sight of the flag causes in others, they see it in a nostalgic light.
    In general though, Americans suffer from willful ignorance when it comes to race relations in the US. For example, Californians are "horrified!" by Deep South culture stories, but they don't think about what life is like for African-Americans in Compton in Los Angeles.

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    What kills me is that the ones who bash the show and label them rednecks I'm sure have never watched the show. The Duke family did everything in their power to help others, never hurt others. I grew up watching this show and not one time did I ever see the "symbol" as you call it used in anyway to hurt anyone. I know that people use it to "symbolize" what happened in the past. For a 7 year old boy it was only about the car and how far it jumped from week to week. It was not until I was way older did I learn about that the flag "stood" for, for some people. I'm sorry I will never give up or forget being 7 years old and getting my reward for cleaning my room by watching the Dukes of Hazzard and seeing my favorite car in the world. That is what it means to me, nothing more nothing less.
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    on a intresting note. i have a friend that has a VERY SMALL part in this movie and she is black! the name of her character is "pretty girl"

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    Okay, I'm from the south and have held out on my feelings, but big Daddy said it for me.

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    The stars and stripes and the confederate flag are both pretty gaudy

    Nothing wrong with the confederate flag, however. If anything it represents something closer to what america was supposed to be than hte 50-state union flag. More than a few of those stars were obtained through quite unpleasant actions(such as hawaii)

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    Gawd, do those guys even fathom how ridiculous they look in those ghost-suits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Gawd, do those guys even fathom how ridiculous they look in those ghost-suits?
    I'm fairly certain that their ability to think intelligently simply does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus X
    Once upon a time flying the confederate flag was an open act of sedition. Now, its a chance for rednecks to feel nostalgic about bygone era when they weren't considered rednecks. And when they could legaly own slaves. I don't feel the need to be overly PC, but I do understand why this flag is considered offensive.

    I am, however, glad that it was kept in the movie. The General Lee would not be the General Lee without it. So what, then, does this say about me and my ability to tolerate a symbol that is legitimately offensive to a large number of people? To me, that Dodge Charger is simply an innocent icon from my innocent youth.

    I think it is a good idea for Chrysler to not want to associate with the flag. But I think we also need to remember its context in the film, a flim that is apparently going to be gloriously stupid.
    Very true. As a white male as much as I read,learn about what African Americans experienced I can not and will never fully know the horror of such racial prejudice.Luckily I was raised by parents who were not predjudice in any shape or form {at least that I knew of} and have always judged people for who they are not by race,creed,color etc. I watched the show growing up and didn't even think twice about the rebel flag {To busy lusting Daisy I suppose}.Once I got older and got educated about what the flag actually represents for many{hate}I was conflicted.I think it's cool they left it on the General Lee in the flick,but certainly can understand Chrysler's stance. Especially the state of the U.S. car economy at present. Orig. the confederate flag just represented the south,nothing wrong there.Haters then embraced it and gave it a whole new meaning.Many not even southern to begin with! These [email protected]#$er's just want a symbol that unites their practices of hate.Sadly they chose the confederate flag wrongly sterotyping southerners.
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    I have to agree with Big Daddy.

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    Yeah, I agree with Big Daddy. That flag just doesn't symbolize what it used to. Not at all. More importantly it's always carried different meanings for different people. I always knew it to symbolize rebellion more than anything else, and I am from the south. As far as being plastered on the General Lee, it's a simple distinguishing marking on a fun car, that's all - right along with the big "01" and orange paint job. And frankly, since the tv show it's come to represent the GENERAL LEE CAR and little or nothing else to a whole lot of people. Not to discount the extreme shittiness of PAST slavery and lingering racial tension, but oftentimes I think people really just make too much of things. Racial hatred and intolerance is a 2(or 3 or 4)way street ya know and we'll never get anywhere as long as EVERYONE isn't willing to let it go.

    Does anyone remember if this was an issue in the 70s, when the tv show ran for years and was so damn popular??? I'm with Big Daddy, I was a kid and loved the show because it was fun and that stupid flag meant positively NOTHING to me or my family. I didn't have the first clue it might be offensive to anyone until waaaaaay later.

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    It's heritage not hate, right? But the heritage is hate, right (or hate is at least part of it)?

    It must be really nice to be able to look at the confederate flag and not see it as a symbol of the oppression, terrorism, and evil carried out by racist southern White people towards Black people both past and present. Must be great to not have to look at confed flag and try to figure out if the person waving it is waving it out of racism, southern "tradition" or southern pride. I'd LOOOVVEE to be able to see a confed flag and automatically think: "Cool - homeboy there is just expressing his pride in being from the South. Forget music and cowboy hats and cowboy boots and rodeos and BBQ's and rebel trucks - I want to drape myself in the stars and bars!! So what if he's from UTAH? *insert rebel yell and "Dixie" tune here*"

    Surely, it's not that taxing for a non-Black person to understand why that flag pains and angers most Black people, just as it doesn't take a person to be of Jewish descent to understand the pain and anger that comes from someone wearing a shirt with a swastika. I'm sure someone will tell me how it's "not the same"; is it the same if a Black person runs around with an "I H.eart Nat Turner" sticker on their bumper. Why not? It's southern heritage right?

    Bottom line: People can do what they want and if the only way they know how to express their southern pride is to wave a "meaningless" flag, then by all means go for it. But pardon my discomfort as too many anti-anything-not-White idiots use the confed flag along with the swastika as a symbol of their hatred and I'm willing to bet that no Klan rally is complete without the "rebel" flag.

    I never watched the Dukes, but my dad did and kiddingly called me "Boss Hog" (I was a bit of a bossy child). He was able to overlook if for the sake of mindless entertainment, so I think it would be stupid to change the flag in order to be PC. However, it would have been nice if the producers of the show would have nixed the confed flag and the "General Lee" in the first place.

    I may go see the movie though. SPW is a hottie and who doesn't want to see Jessica Simpson in a pair of daisy dukes? *drool*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst
    He was able to overlook if for the sake of mindless entertainment
    This is the point. It's just entertainment.

    I definitely think the swastika is VERY different from the rebel flag. Swastika was NEVER anything but a racist symbol. Not one person on this earth could say anything different. The rebel flag never meant anything even remotely racist to a whole lot of us who walk this earth. It really sucks that the twisted views/actions of a few have to screw it up for the rest. Kinda like all strippers are generally assumed to be stoopid junkie slut/whores because of the actions of a few.

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    Hi Bridgette,

    The confederate flag is not just entertainment. The movie is, but not the history and "heritage" behind the so-called rebel flag.

    Actually, the swastika was a symbol of peace, sun, and power used by many cultures for thousands of years before the Nazis claimed it as their symbol of hate, intolerance, oppression, and terrorism. The confederate flag wasn't originally designed as a flag of oppression or hatred either until the slave holders and "rebels" took it over. So, yes, they're very much alike if not identical. Both were used during the systematic commission of cruel, heinous acts against persons of color.

    I'm sure if a person was walking around with a swastika on their neck they'd get at the very least a couple of uncomfortable stares (if not a tounge-lashing) regardless if to them it represented the sun.

    I understand that there are indeed those who do not see the flag as anything more than rebellion, but those that think it represents "heritage" need to realize that said heritage includes slavery, Jim Crow, hangings, lynchings, etc... along with their lemonade, sweet iced tea, and sweet southern living. I would also like to see the non-racist protectors of the rebel flag speak out against the racists who use their flag to promote hate.


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