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    In defense of some comments about Melonie:
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    Filtering out the vitriol from your rants is tiring.
    I have not seen vitriol from Melonie directed towards other SW members, even when she has been attacked fairly savagely.

    I have seen contempt from her for people in the news who take a path she feels is wrong or destructive. I often disagree with her, but I think that particular slant is allowed on here, and she's entitled to say stuff like that. Witness this:
    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Read this nut's (Justice Scalia) latest rant for yourself
    Now, to me, that sounds either vitriolic or contemptuous. But that's OK on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    In defense of some comments about Melonie:
    I have not seen vitriol from Melonie directed towards other SW members, even when she has been attacked fairly savagely.

    I have seen contempt from her for people in the news who take a path she feels is wrong or destructive. I often disagree with her, but I think that particular slant is allowed on here, and she's entitled to say stuff like that. Witness this:
    Now, to me, that sounds either vitriolic or contemptuous. But that's OK on this board.
    All true. She's indefatigable. That's my real problem with her.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Filtering out the vitriol from your rants is tiring.
    Quote Originally Posted by jz
    I have not seen vitriol from Melonie directed towards other SW members, even when she has been attacked fairly savagely.
    You miss my point. I never even implied she was insulting SW members. I merely said her rhetoric was tiring.


    Melanie knows I respect her. (I've asked her opinion more than once in PM on various issues). I tag her on occassion, and on far less frequent occassions she tags me. No problems here Jay. We have our mutual hate for 2257 to keep the home fires burning.
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    I would be interested more in the implications of this new ruling. Although as of now, I have hardly any property to speak of, I hope in the future to have acquired some.

    Interesting link here,

    http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-pi210.html

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    Well, Melonie, the only judge who wrote a dissenting opinion is Sandra Day O'Connor, who is, as we all know, a fire-breathing ultra right wing conservative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    My kingdom for strict constructionist jurists...
    BRING BACK THE COLISEUM! The tigers! The gladiators! Court cases will be fun again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    BRING BACK THE COLISEUM! The tigers! The gladiators! Court cases will be fun again!
    I prefer the "witch test" for judges. Through the judge in the water and if they survive they get their ruling reversed. If they die the ruling is upheld.

    Has anyone seen the publicity stunt of the guy trying to seize Souter's property in NH to build a hotel.
    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-b...239988132&fa=1
    Developer Proposes Building Hotel on SCOTUS Justice Home Property

    June 28, 2005 5:35 p.m. EST


    Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter

    Weare, New Hampshire (AHN) - Developer Logan Darrow Clements filed papers with the Weare, New Hampshire code enforcement officer to get the ball rolling on a hotel project on property owned by Justice David Souter of the United States Supreme Court.

    Souter voted in favor of the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision that "allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner."

    According to a press release from Clements, he states, "The Lost Liberty Hotel" will feature the "Just Desserts Café" and include a public museum featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America. Instead of a Gideon's Bible each guest will receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."

    Clements says, "This is not a prank. The Towne of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development."



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    Consider this link
    from several philosophical viewpoints about property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek
    I prefer the "witch test" for judges. Through the judge in the water and if they survive they get their ruling reversed. If they die the ruling is upheld.

    Has anyone seen the publicity stunt of the guy trying to seize Souter's property in NH to build a hotel.



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    Lots of laughs, if a witch test for the judge is in order, then I bet they never want a case to go to appeals. Well, your honor, we are just going to find out if you ruled properly... now hold your breath!

    Yea, I saw that attempt at siezure - funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana_217
    Consider this link
    from several philosophical viewpoints about property.
    You do to much reading. All it is going to do is confuse your mind with all kinds of contradictions and complexities. I recommend you rush to your radio, flip it to the AM dial, and relax to the soothing sounds of simplicity.

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    ZZ Static.

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    I recommend you rush to your radio, flip it to the AM dial, and relax to the soothing sounds of simplicity.
    is that 'rush' with a capital R and a last name which starts with the letter L ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    is that 'rush' with a capital R and a last name which starts with the letter L ?
    LOL! Great play on words!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    ... all of which finally brings us to my REAL personal concern over the potential ramifications of this Supreme Court decision ... that various city goverments now have yet another weapon in their 'arsenal' to wield against strip clubs. I can't think of a single city council which would object to ANY developer offering to convert an existing strip club property into a more profitable mainstream business, 'officially' employing more people, and 'officially' generating more tax revenue. However, the Supreme Court ruling doesn't even require that the new developer actuallly produce more jobs or more tax revenue - all that is required is a promise to the city council which could easily never materialize after the fact. However, that city council's true purpose would be achieved ... i.e. the strip club would no longer be in business, with local zoning laws effectively preventing that strip club from reopening in another location.
    ~
    But this would be stupid of them. Strip clubs take local money and keep it local (after taxes are paid). Say, they put in a mall with franchise operations. Likely at least 40%, likely 60%, of the local gross sales coming into the mall's businesses will go elsewhere, plus taxes that also go elsewhere. You might say that a little stripclub that is not a moneymaker and maybe a few other local shops also bring in little money tax-wise for further distribution locally, but they do bring in money for wages (mainly) and that stays in the city.

    While we're talking money as a prime motivator (like there can be anything else behind this idiocy) Hell, let's tear down the Supreme Court Bldg in DC and put up a downtown mall. The US Supreme Court brings in almost no money.

    I know this is stupid. But this idea expressed here is not alone in stupidity.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    LOL! Great play on words!

    You mean Lush Rimjob?
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    But this would be stupid of them. Strip clubs take local money and keep it local (after taxes are paid). Say, they put in a mall with franchise operations. Likely at least 40%, likely 60%, of the local gross sales coming into the mall's businesses will go elsewhere, plus taxes that also go elsewhere. You might say that a little stripclub that is not a moneymaker and maybe a few other local shops also bring in little money tax-wise for further distribution locally, but they do bring in money for wages (mainly) and that stays in the city.

    ahhh .... but you're forgetting the equivalent cash value and the 'goodwill' value of all of those favorable local headlines in an election year - 'Mayor brings in new business with higher property tax revenues, brings new jobs that actually pay salaries with benefits, and puts those thieving, whoring, drug addicted strippers out of business all at the same time."

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    Which talks louder? money or morality? ... the perennial question ...
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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